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    NSA and SPs

    Check out this interesting story that I just read which explains what the purpose of the NSA domestic spying in America is:

    (From: http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02062006.html)

    Before flinching at my assertion of blackmail, ask yourself why President Bush refuses to obey the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. The purpose of the FISA court is to ensure that administrations do not spy for partisan political reasons. The warrant requirement is to ensure that a panel of independent federal judges hears a legitimate reason for the spying, thus protecting a president from the temptation to abuse the powers of government. The only reason for the Bush administration to evade the court is that the Bush administration had no legitimate reasons for its spying. This should be obvious even to a naif.

    The United States is undergoing a coup against the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, civil liberties, and democracy itself. The "liberal press" has been co-opted....

    The TV networks mimic Fox News' faux patriotism. Anyone who depends on print, TV, or right-wing talk radio media is totally misinformed. The Bush administration has achieved a de facto Ministry of Propaganda.

    The years of illegal spying have given the Bush administration power over the media and the opposition. Journalists and Democratic politicians don't want to have their adulterous affairs broadcast over television or to see their favorite online porn sites revealed in headlines in the local press with their names attached. Only people willing to risk such disclosures can stand up for the country.
    Apparently the NSA has collected a lot of extra sex and SP and masturbation stories about congressmen, senators and journalists, no wonder they are like a bunch of sheeps nowadays. I'm sure they didn't refrain from collecting prominent Canadians' sex stories in order to blackmail them in the future. Sex kills.

    Only glad that you and I the insignificant ones don't have to worry that our SP experiences might be loaded with consequences.
    Last edited by raining; 07-22-2006 at 09:28 AM.

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    Being in DC, I have many friends who work for the NSA. They are livid with the stories in the media. They say they really could care less about any sexual activities they discover through surveillance and that they are only concerned with terrorist stuff. Then again, they are die-hard Bush supporters and I don't discuss politics with them much for fear of someone choking someone else.

    But in any case, any time you are a celebrity or politician, your life will come under a microscope. I suppose it's fair in a way. They get all that fame and fortune, but at the price of their privacy. I'm glad that for us, as nobodies, people don't care what we do.

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    Raining,

    Quote Originally Posted by raining
    Check out this interesting story that I just read which explains what the purpose of the NSA domestic spying in America is
    Taken at face value, the "story" might be an interesting read, but it isn't a story as much as an opinion piece from a left-wing site. This is pure "sky is falling" rhetoric. There is no evidence that the Bush administration is using anything they find for political purposes, unlike what happened in "FileGate" where hundreds of FBI files on political opponents were found in the White House.

    Here are some other "interesting stories" from that site...

    - "THE USE OF CHEMICAL WARFARE IS AUTHORIZED"
    - America's secret war plans: "The military purpose is to overthrow the present existing Federal Government of Mexico."
    - Floyd Rudmin uncovers the sick dreams of America's generals.
    - Black Job Losses 4 Times Greater Than Whites

    - An Interview with Hamas' Ismail Haniya
    "There was no point asking Ismail Haniya, head of the victorious Hamas list, whether his movement would recognize Israel's right to exist, for two reasons. First, the answer was obvious--no... the banished party cannot recognize the occupier's right to usurp its land. "
    "The second reason is that the question derives from Israel's supremacist and patronizing position."

    Entertaining reading, maybe... real reporting, hardly.

    Regards,

    Voyager
    "No matter how sophisticated you may be, a large granite mountain cannot be denied—it speaks in silence to the very core of your being."
    -Ansel Adams

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    Taken at face value, the "story" might be an interesting read, but it isn't a story as much as an opinion piece from a left-wing site. This is pure "sky is falling" rhetoric.
    This is from a column by Paul Craig Roberts, man, hardly a left-wing. He is a traditional conservative, former assistant secretary at the treasury department during the Reagan times. Hardly a cyber-geek nobody. When he says something, you listen, because he has plenty of government connections that keep him informed.

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    Question He is a traditional conservative? gimme a break

    Quote Originally Posted by raining
    This is from a column by Paul Craig Roberts, man, hardly a left-wing. He is a traditional conservative, former assistant secretary at the treasury department during the Reagan times. Hardly a cyber-geek nobody. When he says something, you listen, because he has plenty of government connections that keep him informed.
    Here are some self-serving quotes from this "traditional conservative";

    A number of readers have asked me when did I undergo my epiphany, abandon right-wing Reaganism and become an apostle of truth and justice.

    We have reached a point where the Bush administration is determined to totally eclipse the people.

    Bewitched by neoconservatives and lustful for power, the Bush administration and the Republican Party are aligning themselves firmly against the American people.

    the Bush administration is now using blackmail obtained through illegal spying on American citizens to silence the media and the opposition party.

    Homeland Security and the Patriot Act are not our protectors. They undermine our protection by trashing the Constitution and the civil liberties it guarantees.

    I am certain that there are more Bush critics on the (no-fly)list than there are terrorists.

    If we are to believe the government's story about the Murrah Federal Office Building in Oklahoma City...

    The sooner the Bush administration realizes its goals of attacking Iran, Syria, and the Shia militias in Lebanon, the more likely the administration will collapse in the maelstrom before it achieves a viable police state.

    The neocons are using the war to achieve their agenda of Israeli hegemony in the Middle East.

    Republicans are using the war to achieve one-party rule--theirs.


    Yup, looks conservative to me... LOL

    Agree with him or not, believe he is in "the loop" or not, this guy is far from conservative. And this is all from the article that you referenced. There are lots of other examples but right now I'm too tired to debate the obvious.

    Have a great night,

    Voyager
    "No matter how sophisticated you may be, a large granite mountain cannot be denied—it speaks in silence to the very core of your being."
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    unfortunately, i've got nothing but time to debate. u are either an idiot or a neocon media agent. in the latter case, it's amazing that they would infiltrate escort review forum.

    if he's not conservative, who is? neocons? what are they trying to conserve?

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