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    Has Shilling Increased Or Has Moderator Rule Enforcement Increased?

    I have been noticing increased posts/activity in the thread concerning the banning of shills and duplicate posters, and am wondering is this due to increased activity by the shills, or increased activity by the Moderators in rule enforcement and the thwarting of the would be shills?

    Without any data on shilling attempts and new registrations it is hard to say, but it seems to me (and this is just speculation) that there are a lot of would be advertisers who do not want to pay and are instead using duplicate handle registration as a means to advertise for free. Obviously this should be cracked down on, but the question is has this particular activity increased in the last year or so? If so, what can be done to stop it?
    Last edited by EagerBeaver; 11-27-2009 at 12:34 PM.

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    I think this was a record! Getting a thread off-topic on the second post!

    Childish stuff removed.

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    Shilling may or may not have increased but reviews seem like an endangered species these days.

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    Based on my recent observation I would have to say MOD rule enforcement has increased. Evidence? Please refer to post #2 in this thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by somebodymtl View Post
    Based on my recent observation I would have to say MOD rule enforcement has increased. Evidence? Please refer to post #2 in this thread...
    First; we never sllowed disrecpectful posts... So our rule has not increased...

    Second : the topic isn't about MERB rules (in general), but about shilling...

    To answer EB's question:
    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver
    what can be done to stop it?
    The only thing the members can do it to pm one of the mods (Mod 8,Mod 10 or Mod 11) when they see a suspicious member. The rest belong to the mods.

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    Hello everyone,

    In some cases, rule enforcement has been tightened. In some instances this is due to having three active moderators on MERB where one mod will catch something the others miss, in others it is just that we have gotten tired of adults insulting each other and having flame wars as if they were children. Throwing insults around or making unsubstantiated or unprovable claims will get you banned.

    When it comes to shills, I do not believe that there has been any great change in the numbers but they do seem to have been getting more obvious as well as more stupid. What we have been seeing lately are people who are getting banned for shilling who register another handle to continue their activities only to get caught and banned again. Not the sign of an intelligent individual. Of course there are always those who pop up and make one glowing review of a provider no one has ever heard of before and never make another post. While it is difficult to ban them as shills, we are certain that the members of MERB are quite intelligent enough to see the truth through the bullshit.

    As for the lack of reviews, it is up to all members to contribute. Without reviews MERB will become an empty shell. You do not have to look very far to see the repercussions of a lack of reviews on a review board. So in the end it is up to all members to give new people a reason to join and share their own reviews by making MERB a welcoming and fun place to post and participate. In turn we moderators will do our best to enforce the rules fairly and evenly and do our best to keep minor disputes from becoming all out wars and to keep shills off the board.

    If we all continue to work together MERB will remain the best review board in Montreal. If we begin to fight and constantly accuse new members of being shills and refuse to post reviews, well I think we can all see where that will lead us.

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    Back on Topic

    The seminal post raises a very valid issue that I think merits further analysis.

    Most of the shilling and related rule enforcement seems to have its roots in the "free advertising venues" with providers trying to cross over to "pay for advertising venues" for greater benefits without paying for them.

    Hope that a solution will arise eventually as tactics and patterns emerge. Until then we may expect more of the same.
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    I have noticed a trend where new names are popping up and racking up somtimes 300 to 400 post in just a few months. I have seen this much more on other boards. I have to wonder why all of the sudden quite lot of new members posting huge amounts? My own experience and observation is that new members tend to be very slow to post and may increase post later when they are more comfortable.

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    When someone is banned for shilling there may be some value in including the name of whom they were shilling for in the notice.

    What I notice is the endless 2 day bans for posting contact details of nonreviewed, nonadvertising SPs... I wonder if the Mods' chain isn't just being yanked?????

    Mod11 we are being flamed and insulted... the proof follows... help....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 8 View Post
    adults insulting each other and having flame wars as if they were children. Throwing insults around
    Last edited by Dee; 11-28-2009 at 10:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee View Post
    When someone is banned for shilling there may be some value in including the name of whom they were shilling for in the notice.
    I think we already do this, don't we?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dee View Post
    What I notice is the endless 2 day bans for posting contact details of nonreviewed, nonadvertising SPs... I wonder if the Mods' chain isn't just being yanked?????
    Sometimes, I wonder the same. We are seriously thinking to push the ban to 2 weeks. Either people can't read or they don't give a damn.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dee View Post
    Mod11 we are being flamed and insulted... the proof follows... help....
    I don't understand that one.

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    Questionable Posting

    I saw that john_eh_mcduff was banned tonight, the 2 day variety, for posting contact info in the thread in which info is requested on SPs who shave. I seem to recall he was recently slapped with a similar two day ban. What makes no sense to me is why he did not simply PM the info he posted to the thread starter - the contact info. He could have PM'd the info, but I don't think he wanted to. He wanted the public to see that contact info. And I assume he also wanted to be banned. And the Mods granted him this wish.
    Last edited by EagerBeaver; 11-28-2009 at 11:29 PM.

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    EagerBeaver, no previous ban for John_eh that I could find.

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    Wasn't he banned for causing trouble in a thread with Maria Divina?

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    Question For The Mods

    Here is a question for the Mods: can a non-advertiser, by paying for MERB advertising, get an existing ban lifted?

    Hypothetical: After a number of offenses, Poster A is banned for 30 days for shilling for SP X. As soon as the ban is applied and subsequent handle registrations are denied, SP X decides to pay for advertising and send Fred Zed cash by overnight mail. SP X then requests that Poster A's ban be lifted, as the contact info he posted is for a MERB advertiser. Is the ban lifted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagerBeaver View Post
    Here is a question for the Mods: can a non-advertiser, by paying for MERB advertising, get an existing ban lifted?

    Hypothetical: After a number of offenses, Poster A is banned for 30 days for shilling for SP X. As soon as the ban is applied and subsequent handle registrations are denied, SP X decides to pay for advertising and send Fred Zed cash by overnight mail. SP X then requests that Poster A`s ban be lifted, as the contact info he posted is for a MERB advertiser. Is the ban lifted?
    Yes, the most recent exemple i found is this one: https://merb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.p...&postcount=251
    Quote Originally Posted by Mod 8 View Post
    2) Forbidden Activities:
    vi) Posting under multiple handles. Only one handle per poster. Duplicate posters and/or obvious shills WILL BE EXPOSED to the world.

    The following handle is actually Massage Lavandashilling for themselves.

    backdoor joe Banned permanently

    Your other handle,
    Mira is also banned permanently

    Massage Lavanda is banned permanently or until you become a paying advertiser

    Advertising information is available here.

    Mod 8
    You can find similar cases in the dupplicate thread.

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