Am I changing or is the industry changing?
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Ive said this before half the time is used upI was wondering for those social dates how chatty the SP has to be to fill the hours
For chatting. Which is understandable. If its half hour maybe less . And even if you do want less talk more action you end up talking anyways cause lets be honest as much as people claim they last 10 hours , its rarely the case lol. So when you finish you talk for the rest of the time or you leave . Even if you take longer sessions its the same result .
I dont see what's misandrist about me saying that escorts who go on social dates are also sucking dick, Valentina... I value my clientele too and dont tell anyone this but I have sex with them hihi
I believe if there is really a difference, i think the money isnt there like it used to be. Thats my opinion of course. People dont have the money to spend like once before. Have to prioritize .
Also Theres alot of your colleagues that put a show on social media id say in the upper 95 percent range , but in reality they dish out more than they make.
Yea they may make 100k ( exaggeration yes ) but spend like they make 200k . Then they gotta make 200 cause they spend like they are making 300. Its a vicious cycle and well phoney
Absolutely 100% and guys that are on a budget don’t have time to waste. They want their needs met and don’t wanna go through loops and hoops. There is a clientele for everyone but let’s not fool ourselves why we’re all here.
Yup. Spot on! Some glamorize this industry in ways that is not realistic. Illusions of grandeur.
True, they want to take their balls into her miniputt.
I haven't read all the responses here, so I may very well be out of context with the conversation but answering the OP is that in a general sense what has changed is the limitation of options. There used to be SWs, but there aren't anymore, there used to me more agencies and more incall/outcall options, there used to be more classified areas to find girls, there used to be BP, there used to be more "cuddle" sites, there used be blah.blah.blah options that simply aren't there anymore. Guys now have more limited channels and more competition within those channels to book favorites because there's less of them and less that are interesting. OF changed things a lot of course. The environment caused huge rate changes too.
A broader answer is that for those willing to step outside of the perceived limitations is that very little has changed. I pay very close to the same rates domestically that I paid 7-8 years ago for companionship. I have social dates or just sex dates as the mood takes me and my companion of the moment and nothing about that has changed. When I travel things operate more or less the same as they always did, allowing for some isolated local changes and the after-effects of covid. In my world the one thing that has changed is that I use MPs for quickies and those rates have changed and the turnover of indy MP providers has pretty much ground to a halt. The quality and quantity of indy MP providers has gone down significantly, but there are still gems out there.
For the life of me I don't understand why people choose to swim in the shark tank (travelers excepted) when there's a calm sandy beach available, but to each their own.
A broader answer is that for those willing to step outside of the perceived limitations is that very little has changed. I pay very close to the same rates domestically that I paid 7-8 years ago for companionship. I have social dates or just sex dates as the mood takes me and my companion of the moment and nothing about that has changed. When I travel things operate more or less the same as they always did, allowing for some isolated local changes and the after-effects of covid. In my world the one thing that has changed is that I use MPs for quickies and those rates have changed and the turnover of indy MP providers has pretty much ground to a halt. The quality and quantity of indy MP providers has gone down significantly, but there are still gems out there.
For the life of me I don't understand why people choose to swim in the shark tank (travelers excepted) when there's a calm sandy beach available, but to each their own.
When I started back in 2001, before my 20 yr break, the agency I worked for advertised in the classifieds of the free delivered to all homes local area papers. It was busy without even useing the internet, it still wasn't common for every house to have one yet.
Screening wasn't happening, because technology wasn't there yet. But also ment bad expieriences were inevitable.
We didn't have 15 minute dates. At the risk of sounding like highachey, it was the mindset back then. That would be taking the business better designed for the ladies on corners, we also knew they had more at stake for that timeframe. (Also wasn't worth the gas) Like I do now. If they want 30min, they pay the hour, and it is there choice to dismiss me early.
I can't speak of online, it is not for me at this point. Maybe in future, but if I were comfortable with it, I probably would have tried that before being available as an escort myself.
It cost less to have a room for all month, than it does on gas, and wear and tear on a vehicle to drive 4 providers all over, all night long. And the lost time waiting to be picked up because the last drop-off was in West island, (and the raods are blocked with construction), and your appointment was downtown. Left waiting 30-60 minutes in a hotel lobby while being watched by the staff. Or standing out in the cold because it was their home, and if you were still inside when the driver pulled up, they would ask where the payment was from the extra time, agency wants their cut.
Rates go with target demographic, expectations, and what works for the individual provider. There are gems out there at every price point. It also makes sense, that if a provider is too popular at a lower price, it helps to raise the price to have a more manageable number of options to choose from. Yes it prices out some, but they can, and need some way to make it manageable, as a business it makes sense to raise prices when demand is too high.
It still helps to ask and find out. Sometimes it is possible sometimes not. As I told one of my sweeties recently when he contacted for last minute, he couldn't expect me to always be available. Unfortunately for him, I had an appointment already, he could see me after, or he could schedule an appointment for another day, but last minute is a gamble we aren't already booked.
The origional concept and idea of an escort was that, someone you hired to take out to big events, classy and sophisticated, to wow your bosses,
I even had to fact check myself before posting.
☆No, escorts were not always primarily for sex. Historically, "escort" could refer to someone accompanying another person for social reasons, like a dance or social event, without any sexual connotation. The modern understanding of escorting often overlaps with prostitution, but historically, the term had a broader meaning. ☆
eventually sex became part of the interaction, but the dating part faded out after many years. Technically in the name itself, the job description is dating, with prostitution as being optional, but expected in todays inclusion.
I love hearing when with someone, they think me a perfect girlfriend.
I tell them I get to be the best parts with them, because my Master deals with all the crazy and emotional girlfriend stuff, leaving the best parts for them to enjoy.What I like in this new era is the ability to screen and choose who you agree to go see. I like that in this era, when I go see someone, they have had the chance to see what I look like, and chose me visually, and by personality, by choosing how I represent myself, and that even before we meet we have had a chance to communicate together to see if we get along. I like that we have moved out of the past where to be available, ment subscribing to some form of being pimped out, and pressured to conform to 1 way of doing things.
I was not involved during these days of better back then, before. I came from before becoming indy was considered a viable option.
But choosing to get back into escorting, I was worried I might have to sign up with an agency, and it scared me. When I found out I could do this indy style, and it wasn't as difficult as I was worried it would be.
Nice marketing tactic
It's so easy to shut someone down by using vague language like this.
This isn't about "feminism" or any sort of ideology lol you're assuming I'm being sensitive when you're the one who's so worried you're going to lose clients over one post that has nothing to do with you.
All the providers who are interacting here are showing what they have to offer. Lena showed what she wants to offer and what she likes about her current situation as a provider, and you showed that you're not like all the sensitive girls and will do your best to accommodate bookings!
Good for you.
By the way I never claimed to agree with this post, I wasn't there before the pandemic.
I’m all worried about losing clients. If anything they tell me they don’t wanna book liberal women because they might have dicks. You gals are number 1 at shutting men down. You do it to yourselves.Nice marketing tactic
It's so easy to shut someone down by using vague language like this.
This isn't about "feminism" or any sort of ideology lol you're assuming I'm being sensitive when you're the one who's so worried you're going to lose clients over one post that has nothing to do with you.
All the providers who are interacting here are showing what they have to offer. Lena showed what she wants to offer and what she likes about her current situation as a provider, and you showed that you're not like all the sensitive girls and will do your best to accommodate bookings!
Good for you.
Thanks tho I’ll be fine <3
I think you nailed it. I wasn't there before but more options were more beneficial for both clients and providers it seems.
Omg lol when did I say I was liberal? You're really hitting below the belt here (lol) with your accusation that we might have dicks.
Regardless of if a colleague is a man or a woman I won't throw them under the bus, this is just my personal values. Same thing with my clients, and my friends in my personal life.
I have plenty of clients and I don't shut men down. If anything my clients always thank me for being there for them and listening to them and trying to please them.
I never said I had a problem with guys who have a budget and don't take me on social dates. Most clients don't and that's fine with me.
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Having now read through the replies I think a bunch of you guys might not understand your clientele as well as you think you do. @Valentina Amante is pretty much spot on as to what the average client wants and why they're here. That's not to say that there aren't different types of clients but when you boil it down to the lowest common denominator that's what you get. There also seem to be two conversations taking place. One is talking about clients wants and the other is talking about how individual ladies prefer to work. They can be and often are mutually exclusive concepts but they're being treated as if they're the same thing in some instances here. Take a step back and take in a larger perspective.
The usual SPs, Luna, that make it even more difficult to navigate MERB usually share the same ideology and gang up on men or people of different opinions (like me). Lots are self entitled and want men to bow down to them for everything. It’s like as if no one wants to work hard anymore and some women in this industry expect to DO NOTHING for $550 an hour. Everything offends everyone. It’s killing the industry as well because no man wants to put up with this BS / hobby anymore. Lots of unnecessary drama / doesn’t make for a memorable experience nor repeats.
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I'm well aware of what the average client wants and I do offer it all the time lol look at my ad. I'm just saying there are other clients out there with different needs but they don't spend their time on this forum
general observation of the current landscape: agencies have closed/vanished, some remaining ones are currently posting on the help wanted section
desperate clients are refreshing a webpage every evening only to see "fully booked"
one positive: newer clients don't realize how things were 5-10+ years ago, so at least they are content with things as they are
what's keeping people coming back: less and less these days, dissatisfied clients will eventually spend their time/energies on other hobbies/travel etc.
desperate clients are refreshing a webpage every evening only to see "fully booked"
one positive: newer clients don't realize how things were 5-10+ years ago, so at least they are content with things as they are
what's keeping people coming back: less and less these days, dissatisfied clients will eventually spend their time/energies on other hobbies/travel etc.
Do I not understand what the average client wants or are you also reading too much into me saying that girls who offer social dates aren't doing exclusively social dates?
I like sucking dick so much that I have a whole special around it. But I *also* offer social dates and that somehow makes me a fake escort and a misandrist?
I'm shocked to find out that so many people on this board seem to think we dont offer sexual services to be honest haha
Valentina my hourly rate is 340$ and I offer msog and cimsw etc lol I work as hard as you do. I don't want men to bow down to me, I have no idea where you got this idea. You're assuming a lot about me. I do have clients who come back and regulars honestly. And so do you! I don't see what's the issue here.
Sure there are, but they're not the mainstay of the industry and shouldn't be discussed as if they are, or reflective of mongers in general. They're a niche minority group that don't reflect the desires of the vast majority of the guys. They can be the core group of an individual provider who targets a specific type of client but the daters/golfers/arm candy guys are quite simply not the average monger within the industry as a whole.
