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Now you are really reaching to find one in 1942 and another in 2003 are you kidding.

A ban on assault weapons alone could have resulted in 38 less mass shootings in 2025.
This does not include all the gang slayings, domestic shootings, deaths due to armed robberies the list is endless in the US and they involve guns more than 95% of the time not knives or matches and accelerants.
It looks to me that in many cases the mass shooting incidents is a particular form of a suicide. It practically guarantees that police would aim at shooting the armed suspect multiple times to avoid farther casualties. Why some individuals choose this method to end their life is the question for psychologists. They probably see it as glorious ending attracting nationwide attention. There should be some methods to make it unattractive to them. Just go in the woods and shoot yourself in the head and get government sponsored funeral for preventing the mass murder.
 
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Now you are really reaching to find one in 1942 and another in 2003 are you kidding.
You and others in this thread are either unwilling or unable to look ahead and ask, "what's next if we take the guns away?" And I am doing just that- thinking about what everyone else is not thinking about. Matches, lighters, bombs, accelerants and fires is what is next. It is not going to be as simple as, "we take the guns away and it all stops." It will continue, just with different weaponry.
 

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You and others in this thread are either unwilling or unable to look ahead and ask, "what's next if we take the guns away?" And I am doing just that- thinking about what everyone else is not thinking about. Matches, lighters, bombs, accelerants and fires is what is next. It is not going to be as simple as, "we take the guns away and it all stops." It will continue, just with different weaponry.
You need to be more precise. Are you talking about the US or Canada or both? Also by "taking away" are you referring to confiscating guns, preventing the sale of certain types of guns, or preventing the sale of guns to certain types of people, or combinations of those?
 
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You need to be more precise. Are you talking about the US or Canada or both? Also by "taking away" are you referring to confiscating guns, preventing the sale of certain types of guns, or preventing the sale of guns to certain types of people, or combinations of those?
I am talking about enacting the gun control laws everyone keeps saying should be enacted. That happens. What's next?
 

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I am talking about enacting the gun control laws everyone keeps saying should be enacted. That happens. What's next?
What’s next is the amount of murders will drop drastically.
It will not be eliminated entirely for sure. There is crime and murder in other countries as well and human beings are capable of murder without the use of guns, but it will not be so easy for them and it will give people a chance to fight back or run away which is hard to do against a bullet.

Right now the only option you have against a gun is having one yourself and you better be first to pull the trigger.
 
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Right now the only option you have against a gun is having one yourself and you better be first to pull the trigger.
This is the exact argument against gun control. You need guns to defend guns. And no gun control laws will ever stop the black markets. The black market gunrunners will thrive. This is season 3 of Reacher on Prime. You are going to make those types of criminals very rich.
 
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This is the exact argument against gun control. You need guns to defend guns. And no gun control laws will ever stop the black markets. The black market gunrunners will thrive. This is season 3 of Reacher on Prime. You are going to make those types of criminals very rich.
You have been watching too much TV lol.
Gun control needs to start somewhere right now there is no need for black market guns they can obtain one very easily legally.
There is such a thing as law enforcement to stop black market guns just like anything else illegal.
Why have any laws, criminals will not abide by them anyway is your answer?

There will always be criminals and a certain amount of illegal guns Rome was not built in a day.
 

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I am talking about enacting the gun control laws everyone keeps saying should be enacted. That happens. What's next?
Again this is way too imprecise. "gun control" is such a broad general catch all as to be virtually meaningless as a term. In Canada or the US? Ban firearms? reduce access to firearms? Introduce purchasing contrios? Exclude groups of people? Age restrictions? Educational requirements? Penalties? etc etc. Everything has different ramifications, as well as whether we're talking about state laws or federal laws and again it depends on locale, especially since Canada is largely dealing with federal mandates and ghe US is not. Without context your question is unanswerable except in terms of partisan dogma on either left or right.
 

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Again this is way too imprecise. "gun control" is such a broad general catch all as to be virtually meaningless as a term. In Canada or the US? Ban firearms? reduce access to firearms? Introduce purchasing contrios? Exclude groups of people? Age restrictions? Educational requirements? Penalties? etc etc. Everything has different ramifications, as well as whether we're talking about state laws or federal laws and again it depends on locale, especially since Canada is largely dealing with federal mandates and ghe US is not. Without context your question is unanswerable except in terms of partisan dogma on either left or right.
I am using the generic term being repeatedly thrown out by assorted posters in this thread so these questions are for them, not me. I don't believe any of them have even thought about these questions before posting.
 

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I am using the generic term being repeatedly thrown out by assorted posters in this thread so these questions are for them, not me. I don't believe any of them have even thought about these questions before posting.
They're for everybody, including you. You had asked "what's next if we take the guns away?", but it's the same problem because you're not saying what guns are being taken, how they're being taken, who they're being taken from etc. For example, changing the legal age from 18 to 21 takes away guns for 3 years but puts them back in their hands 3 years later so it's temporary. Taking assault rifles away from people is entirely different. Taking the right to have guns away from people with domestic abuse convictions is something else again. The process and the results are all different. There's a variety of situations where "taking away" could reply. Would "taking guns away" have an impact? Sure, but on who and under what circumstances? The impact varies depending on the legislation, for better or for worse. To have good discussions we should be clear and precise as to what aspect we're discussing. That goes for the "gun control" label too.

"gun control" is like saying "infrastructure changes" or "agricultural reform". It's utterly meaningless without identifying what specifically within that giant category is potentially being changed, in order to provide context. It's a terribly abused catch-all term. We keep hearing people say "no guns for anybody" or "you'll have to pry it out of my dead hands" but practical applications of common sense gun laws lie somewhere in the middle. Since no one can agree on what the middle looks like it is the mess it is. Further muddling the issue is the economics of it. That's the main issue, really. The big money behind the campaigns cares less about who owns what than who can purchase and own what. People like to talk about "gun control" like it some kind of magic pill. but control is never going to show up as some kind of omnibus bill because it would never, ever pass and everyone knows that, so trying to describe it in those terms might be fun but it's pointless. Everybody can't wait to get on their red or blue party horse and start screaming rhetoric supporting the platform nobody seems to want to discuss individual issues, and that's where any potential change is going to happen. In real world terms you need to discuss individual initiatives and stop using blanket terms if you're going to have any kind of meaningful discussion. There's a lot of different levers that can be pushed up and down when discussion potential legislation. So, issues like mental illness and weapons, criminal or domestic convictions and guns, legal age to own guns, types of weapons that can be owned, ghost guns, repurchase or seizure of certain weapons, carry permits, concealment permits, weapons possession in certain public spaces, laws against weapon modifications, etc etc etc ad nauseum all need to be considered in their own separate bubbles and in their individual pieces of legislation to see whether they make sense and whether a consensus can be arrived at, instead of thinking that one piece is necessarily a gateway to all the others, or that everything needs to be lumped together. With some individual issues we might find that there's some broad agreement if we're not trying to incorporate everything else into the discussion at the same time.. Unfortunately all we seem to get are conversations whether everything is painted with the same brush and neither logic nor real applications in the real world work that way.
 
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What’s next is the amount of murders will drop drastically.
It will not be eliminated entirely for sure. There is crime and murder in other countries as well and human beings are capable of murder without the use of guns, but it will not be so easy for them and it will give people a chance to fight back or run away which is hard to do against a bullet.

Right now the only option you have against a gun is having one yourself and you better be first to pull the trigger.

Why not take example of Canada ?
Canada has much more restrictive rules on firearms civilian possession.
Guess what ! Like written above, mass shooting happen at years between them, not days or weeks. Canada didn't have mass shooting like the one that happenned in Las Vegas with 60 death and 527 injured.
A guy was neutralized going to a bar with an AR-15 with a set-up of 2 50 rounds Rotary magazines coupled by a mecanism bought legally probably.
How many victims could have been made ?
Since at least 10 years, centerfire semi-automatique rifle magazines are limited to 5 rounds and pistol magazines to 10 rounds.
Almost certainly, the same rules would save many lives in USA !
 
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