The Confessional

[Johnny test]

I don't think you need to put yourself in a box or put a label, sexuality is complicated.
Sucking dicks is quite exciting that's the reason i'm attracted to pre-op Trans ladies but i'm also attracted to women. I don't to define myself as hetero or bi or gay.
I enjoy different stuff cause you only live once and i don't put any morality in sex.
If people want to judge me i couldn't care less i'm happier exploring different avenues than i was stuck in a very narrow definition of who i am.
I'm convinced that putting labels is a big problem in today's world but don't start me on this
Anyway, my 2 cents is that if you enjoy this but not a man's body, you should definitely meet some transexual girls.

 

[Timbits92]

I don't think you need to put yourself in a box or put a label, sexuality is complicated.
Sucking dicks is quite exciting that's the reason i'm attracted to pre-op Trans ladies but i'm also attracted to women. I don't to define myself as hetero or bi or gay.
I enjoy different stuff cause you only live once and i don't put any morality in sex.
If people want to judge me i couldn't care less i'm happier exploring different avenues than i was stuck in a very narrow definition of who i am.
I'm convinced that putting labels is a big problem in today's world but don't strat me on this
Anyway, my 2 cents is that if you enjoy this but not a man's body, you should definitely meet some transexual girls.

Thanks for the input my man !! Btw, I never tried… but when I was with this dude I was thinking exactly that !! I was like: i wish you were a trans woman with this thick dick I seem to enjoy!

 

[LC18]

Labels are outdated, we don’t need them.

Blowjobs are fun so I can understand why someone would want to try

 

[Lunaseraphim]

Where do you fall on the spectrum ?

The fact that you enjoy sucking dick is definitely gay in my book. Bi-sexual at best.

That's actually not accurate lol a lot of people do gay shit or ''try'' but aren't actually gay, or not fully at least. There are so many girls who will kiss girls when they're drunk at parties, but they won't actually have sex with a woman or date a woman. I've seen men do the same thing. I dated a guy who would kiss guys at parties but he was really not interested in sex with men, he told me the experience he had of a man sucking his dick wasn't pleasant for him, but he still identifies as ''queer''. He was really milking it to appeal to girls lol which is ironic, but it works. A lot of women like men who are a little bit gay or feminine.

Even when it comes to clients, I've had a lot of men confide that they were excited by sucking dick or having their dick sucked, but they didn't like anal sex and only were interested in men for brief encounters. Others have told me they have sex with men sometimes but they're not interested in them romantically.

Sexuality is really complex. It truly is a spectrum. A lot of people are bisexual but prefer a certain gender, or it fluctuates and changes over time. Societal pressures also kinda dictate who we prefer. It's much easier to be in a heterosexual relationship in a way, because we know the ''script'' for it, socially. When I started dating women for real, I had to learn a new way to relate to another person in a romantic relationship. I didn't feel comfortable dating women until my mid 20's.. I had a lot of internalized homophobia to work on.

That being said I'm not a huge fan of somebody pressuring someone into doing gay stuff and ''trying to turn someone gay'', it doesn't sound consensual. I would never pressure a woman to do anything with me. Even when it comes to duos, I am really uncomfortable accepting one with somebody who I suspect isn't bisexual.

I think labels can be useful sometimes.. instead of the word label I'd use the word ''identity''. but I get the sentiment

 

[Timbits92]

That's actually not accurate lol a lot of people do gay shit or ''try'' but aren't actually gay, or not fully at least. There are so many girls who will kiss girls when they're drunk at parties, but they won't actually have sex with a woman or date a woman. I've seen men do the same thing. I dated a guy who would kiss guys at parties but he was really not interested in sex with men, he told me the experience he had of a man sucking his dick wasn't pleasant for him, but he still identifies as ''queer''. Even when it comes to clients, I've had a lot of men confide that they were excited by sucking dick or having their dick sucked, but they didn't like anal sex and only were interested in men for brief encounters. Others have told me they have sex with men sometimes but they're not interested in them romantically.

Sexuality is really complex. It truly is a spectrum. A lot of people are bisexual but prefer a certain gender, or it fluctuates and changes over time. Societal pressures also kinda dictate who we prefer. It's much easier to be in a heterosexual relationship in a way, because we know the ''script'' for it, socially. When I started dating women for real, I had to learn a new way to relate to another person in a romantic relationship. I didn't feel comfortable dating women until my mid 20's.. I had a lot of internalized homophobia to work on.

That being said I'm not a huge fan of somebody pressuring someone into doing gay stuff and ''trying to turn someone gay'', it doesn't sound consensual. I would never pressure a woman to do anything with me. Even when it comes to duos, I am really uncomfortable accepting one with somebody who I suspect isn't bisexual.

I think labels can be useful sometimes.. instead of the word label I'd use the word ''identity''. but I get the sentiment

Post mortem, I feel like he sensed rightfully that I was interested but that what was making me uncertain was a psycological barrier entrenched in men socialisation: don’t be gay.

Him saying that he likes to « turn heteros » feels more in hindsight like… I like to bring bi curious men into a place where they feel safe exploring. He was soooo patient, asking for consent, open about sexuality, etc. But I understand your reaction to the way I wrote that portion of my confession.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

Labels are outdated, we don’t need them.

Blowjobs are fun so I can understand why someone would want to try

Labels are not just labels. They describe a biological reality. It is really not that complicated.

Attracted to the opposite sex = heterosexual
Attracted to the same sex = homosexual
Attracted to both = bisexual

Human with ovaries = woman
Human who produces sperm = man

 

[LC18]

Labels are not just labels. They describe a biological reality. It is really not that complicated.

Attracted to the opposite sex = heterosexual
Attracted to the same sex = homosexual
Attracted to both = bisexual

Human with ovaries = woman
Human who produces sperm = man

Hey so, I don’t care. I meant what I said, we should care less about labels

 

[LC18]

Human with ovaries = woman
Human who produces sperm = man

Also that’s a dumb take. There are women born without ovaries or that can’t get their periods

Anyways

 

[LeDodo]

Labels are not just labels. They describe a biological reality. It is really not that complicated.

Attracted to the opposite sex = heterosexual
Attracted to the same sex = homosexual
Attracted to both = bisexual

Human with ovaries = woman
Human who produces sperm = man

I think the grey zone is between attraction to a biological type vs sexual act preference/curiosity.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

Also that’s a dumb take. There are women born without ovaries or that can’t get their periods

Anyways

No it's not dumb

 

[Timbits92]

Labels are not just labels. They describe a biological reality. It is really not that complicated.

Attracted to the opposite sex = heterosexual
Attracted to the same sex = homosexual
Attracted to both = bisexual

Human with ovaries = woman
Human who produces sperm = man

If simplicity comforts you, and you chose to ignore the complexities of life and the grey areas because they are uncomfortable or perplexing or stressful or challenging of you preconceptions, that’s totally fine and you are free to believe it.

I think these kind of simplistic takes lack nuances and intellectual accuity. They describe incomplete realities and only serve to cuddle insecure or weak minds into intellectual safe spaces. Clearly the experiences I and other described here are reflecting that sexual attraction is an ambiguous subject matter. Locking those nuanced ambiguities into rigid and stricly limited categories seem intellectually lazy to me.

The sky is blue is a simple reality.
Behind that statement of reality lies many complicated things that does not necessarely, but could, contradict the original statement. Shades of blue, changing of the sky’s color during different periods or events, biological composition of the human eye and the subjective nature of the concept « sky ».

I think a smart person’s first reflex should always be to have the intellectual humility to confer that perhaps his conception of the world is an incomplete one, and that behind simple realities must, or at least could, lie complex nuances that he might not fully grasp in the moment.

I mean this with respect, really. Not looking to escalate or fight. I’m not offended by your post but I think it is maybe a little insensitive to others. Mostly just… very intellectually weak.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

Mostly just… very intellectually weak.

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[twenty4seven]

Anyway, my 2 cents is that if you enjoy this but not a man's body, you should definitely meet some transexual girls.

Agreed. I don't have any attraction towards guys (even objectively hot dudes do nothing for me) but find a lot of trans women beautiful. Doesn't even have to do with their "passability" either, some are very masc. Not sure why my brain is wired that way but I don't worry about it. I have been fortunately blessed with a high disregard for other people's opinions and don't have many internalized social stigmas so it's never occurred to me to think it weird. I just go towards what I enjoy and sucking dick can be really enjoyable.

 

[twenty4seven]

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Let me fix that link for you:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/sex-vs-gender-how-they2019re-different

 

[Johnny test]

That's actually not accurate lol a lot of people do gay shit or ''try'' but aren't actually gay, or not fully at least. There are so many girls who will kiss girls when they're drunk at parties, but they won't actually have sex with a woman or date a woman. I've seen men do the same thing. I dated a guy who would kiss guys at parties but he was really not interested in sex with men, he told me the experience he had of a man sucking his dick wasn't pleasant for him, but he still identifies as ''queer''. He was really milking it to appeal to girls lol which is ironic, but it works. A lot of women like men who are a little bit gay or feminine.

Even when it comes to clients, I've had a lot of men confide that they were excited by sucking dick or having their dick sucked, but they didn't like anal sex and only were interested in men for brief encounters. Others have told me they have sex with men sometimes but they're not interested in them romantically.

Sexuality is really complex. It truly is a spectrum. A lot of people are bisexual but prefer a certain gender, or it fluctuates and changes over time. Societal pressures also kinda dictate who we prefer. It's much easier to be in a heterosexual relationship in a way, because we know the ''script'' for it, socially. When I started dating women for real, I had to learn a new way to relate to another person in a romantic relationship. I didn't feel comfortable dating women until my mid 20's.. I had a lot of internalized homophobia to work on.

That being said I'm not a huge fan of somebody pressuring someone into doing gay stuff and ''trying to turn someone gay'', it doesn't sound consensual. I would never pressure a woman to do anything with me. Even when it comes to duos, I am really uncomfortable accepting one with somebody who I suspect isn't bisexual.

I think labels can be useful sometimes.. instead of the word label I'd use the word ''identity''. but I get the sentiment

Completely agree with that, we'll have a lot of interesting conversations once our schedule finally align
I may be wrong but i think in that case the whole ''trying to turn someone gay'' is more of a fantasy than anything, it's a pretty common fantasy i think.

 

[Johnny test]

I have been fortunately blessed with a high disregard for other people's opinions

Awesome, let's make a club

 

[Johnny test]

Also i will not go into the label vs no label discussion here cause it always end badly and it's tiring.

 

[Timbits92]

Merriam-Webster: America's Most Trusted Dictionary

Find definitions for over 300,000 words from the most authoritative English dictionary. Continuously updated with new words and meanings.

www.merriam-webster.com

You understand the irony of you publishing a dictionnary as some sort of argument supporting your limited world view (I imagine you try to imply that the concepts you brought up are clearly defined there) when this very dictionnary contains dozens of words describing a vast spectrum of sexual orientation.


Anyways. I’ll let it go now.

 

[LC18]

I know it’s not the topic of the thread but since we’re on this subject, would you have a MMF threesome?

So reminder, MMF the men will interact with each other
MFM, men will not interact with each other

 

[LeDodo]

I know it’s not the topic of the thread but since we’re on this subject, would you have a MMF threesome?

So reminder, MMF the men will interact with each other
MFM, men will not interact with each other

I think I will try just out of curiosity.