What happend to the scene in Montreal?

[toots2]

I have been out of the country for ~ 7 years and just came back for a visit. It's a total disaster.

Asian agencies were a bit hit-or-miss before. But the prices were ok. Now, the prices are at, or above, market rates, yet the quality is nowhere to be seen.

Indie market on LL is complete trash, basically just all scams, and everyone who's even remotely good-looking has terrible reviews here.

Haven't tested the well-known agencies yet, but the ladies also don't look very appealing, and all reviews are mixed, if you read between the lines.

I've travelled to many countries, and I am not talking "third world"; even in the EU, the girls there are younger, fitter, more fun, and, most importantly, much cheaper. Even in Geneva, one of the most expensive places in Europe, the girls are half the price and actually provide good service, are easy to book, and host in nice places.

What happened? Is it OF driving away girls from this trade? Is it just that the economy in Canada is not so great that girls go for greener pastures? It's really puzzling.

 

[Tor1393]

I have been out of the country for ~ 7 years and just came back for a visit. It's a total disaster.

Asian agencies were a bit hit-or-miss before. But the prices were ok. Now, the prices are at, or above, market rates, yet the quality is nowhere to be seen.

Indie market on LL is complete trash, basically just all scams, and everyone who's even remotely good-looking has terrible reviews here.

Haven't tested the well-known agencies yet, but the ladies also don't look very appealing, and all reviews are mixed, if you read between the lines.

I've travelled to many countries, and I am not talking "third world"; even in the EU, the girls there are younger, fitter, more fun, and, most importantly, much cheaper. Even in Geneva, one of the most expensive places in Europe, the girls are half the price and actually provide good service, are easy to book, and host in nice places.

What happened? Is it OF driving away girls from this trade? Is it just that the economy in Canada is not so great that girls go for greener pastures? It's really puzzling.

I also have travelled and I certainly don’t think Geneva is cheap. It’s at least the same price if not more than Montreal. The biggest difference is that 30 minutes service is readily available if that’s your thing

 

[LeDodo]

I have been out of the country for ~ 7 years and just came back for a visit. It's a total disaster.

Asian agencies were a bit hit-or-miss before. But the prices were ok. Now, the prices are at, or above, market rates, yet the quality is nowhere to be seen.

Indie market on LL is complete trash, basically just all scams, and everyone who's even remotely good-looking has terrible reviews here.

Haven't tested the well-known agencies yet, but the ladies also don't look very appealing, and all reviews are mixed, if you read between the lines.

I've travelled to many countries, and I am not talking "third world"; even in the EU, the girls there are younger, fitter, more fun, and, most importantly, much cheaper. Even in Geneva, one of the most expensive places in Europe, the girls are half the price and actually provide good service, are easy to book, and host in nice places.

What happened? Is it OF driving away girls from this trade? Is it just that the economy in Canada is not so great that girls go for greener pastures? It's really puzzling.

CoVID, inflation ...

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

It's been discussed before here. (I don't want to bring rates into the discussion). The landscape was altered after the pandemic. OnlyFans may or may not be a factor (most likely not in 2026). Young adults are staying longer with their parents. Smartphone/social media addiction is having a *massive* impact on the younger generations. Levels of sexual activity are trending down. Anxiety is trending up. Obesity is up. Levels of physical activity are stagnant or down.

These are generalizations, but I haven't come across more convincing explanations for the perceived decline in the quality of the whole experience pre- vs post-pandemic.

 

[CLOUD 500]

I have been out of the country for ~ 7 years and just came back for a visit. It's a total disaster.

Asian agencies were a bit hit-or-miss before. But the prices were ok. Now, the prices are at, or above, market rates, yet the quality is nowhere to be seen.

Indie market on LL is complete trash, basically just all scams, and everyone who's even remotely good-looking has terrible reviews here.

Haven't tested the well-known agencies yet, but the ladies also don't look very appealing, and all reviews are mixed, if you read between the lines.

I've travelled to many countries, and I am not talking "third world"; even in the EU, the girls there are younger, fitter, more fun, and, most importantly, much cheaper. Even in Geneva, one of the most expensive places in Europe, the girls are half the price and actually provide good service, are easy to book, and host in nice places.

What happened? Is it OF driving away girls from this trade? Is it just that the economy in Canada is not so great that girls go for greener pastures? It's really puzzling.

The nature of the clients changed. A lot are accepting below standard service and are fine paying a lot more (the need for the service is high). It is this dynamic of the clients needing the service more then the SWs need the money that made the market bad and do not forget about Bill C-36 which changed the game forever in favor of the girls. Day by day the scene is getting more and more like the US.

 

[Hmmm…]

Geneva half the price doesn't seem likely. Spain has the lowest rates and at agencies they were around 170-180 euro which is about $270cdn. And there girls were complaining the rates were too low and wanting to go to Switzerland. And in Europe you risk more issues with trafficking from Eastern Europe and Latin America. Checking now it seems that some rates have dropped to 100 euro/$160cdn, but a bunch of places still at around 200 euro. But that must be within the last 3 months. From what I understand, Europe was heavily dependent on tourists and not locals and with increased costs of living, fewer people are traveling especially the "rich" in Europe that mainly consisted of the French, Germans and a few Brits.

Prices are dependent on supply and demand, and even at $270 and minus agency/house fees, working 3-4 hours a week can net a girl $15k minimum to $20k per month, which is closer to $200k/year and more if they do indy outside agency and have OF, sugar or find a millionaire bf. And given that you can start at 18 and work to 30-35, that's a decent chunk of change.

 

[madmonkey82]

I think like with many services, the general sentiment is one of decay in quality and a feeling of lack of value.

If you compare barbers, mechanics, dentists, therapists of all sorts, waiters in restaurants, and the list goes on, the value has drastically decreased.

But I'm not sure if it's as bad in the hobby.
20 years or so ago I recall that a 1hour session at a regular incall was 120 or 140.
Today you're looking at 260 to 300.

Regarding quality I think that Europe tends to spoil hobbyists. I was in Prague last year and I had the best session ever in a premier establishment for roughly 200 CAD for 1 hour.

 

[Hmmm…]

Regarding quality I think that Europe tends to spoil hobbyists. I was in Prague last year and I had the best session ever in a premier establishment for roughly 200 CAD for 1 hour.

Of all of Europe, where would you say the best experience to be right now? Would you consider hard to reach places like Ukraine or Russia? I think a SP personally also suggested São Paulo in Brazil.

I wonder if the talking phase is unique to Montreal. Most places even where they speak English, it seems it's shower and action. No talking phase until after or like 1 minute talking phase. Here in Montreal the talking phase could last 30 min or more.

 

[urquell]

The monger culture and venue types change from place to place so you need to make sure you're not comparing apples to oranges. If you're asking about the scene in Montreal vs what it was 7 years ago then stick with that. It was never the same in other places as it is here in Montreal so the passage of time hasn't really altered that difference. As someone who has mongered extensively in many different countries I can tell you that there have been changes everywhere, but different types of changes depending on where you are. I guess what I'm saying is that you can compare Montreal of 7 years ago to the current Montreal, or you can compare Montreal now to another location now, but you can't really compare across both space and time unless you're also a science fiction writer.

 

[CLOUD 500]

The local cost of living also has a big impact. Spain has a much lower cost of living but the salaries for jobs there are much lower and there is just not that many jobs for rates for SWs there are lower.

 

[toots2]

By the way, unrelated to Montreal, but I noticed London is going through a similar decline. About 10 years ago, you could get a 10/10 Romanian girl at a good rate. Now, it's full of plastic Brazilian girls with mediocre service. And agencies are just insanely priced ~ 350-500 GBP.

 

[madmonkey82]

Of all of Europe, where would you say the best experience to be right now? Would you consider hard to reach places like Ukraine or Russia? I think a SP personally also suggested São Paulo in Brazil.

I wonder if the talking phase is unique to Montreal. Most places even where they speak English, it seems it's shower and action. No talking phase until after or like 1 minute talking phase. Here in Montreal the talking phase could last 30 min or more.

I have no idea as to the best places to be. I was in Prague and I sampled there.
Regarding the talking phase you mentioned, that's precisely why I prefer Massage Parlor over incall agency. You get a massage and then flip and action. Also I don't mind socializing a bit since I'm meeting with a person not a doll.

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

Another factor to consider: there are fewer new entrants to the industry, regardless of age, in agency rosters, than in the past. For those who have been doing this job for several years or more, with rare exceptions, it takes its toll, and that is likely going to be reflected in the quality of the experience. Perhaps less sensuality and more detachment. There is simply less "new talent", regardless of age, joining agencies, and one reason may be that this mode of employment has become less attractive to the current pool of women who are looking to offer their services. This is only a hypothesis at this time, but worth thinking about.

 

[toots2]

> there are fewer new entrants to the industry

I guess that's the essence of my question. Why is that?

 

[AnthonyAnderson]

> there are fewer new entrants to the industry

I guess that's the essence of my question. Why is that?

Post #4 and #14. If you have more convincing hypotheses, feel free to share.

 

[Appleaday123]

Geneva half the price doesn't seem likely. Spain has the lowest rates and at agencies they were around 170-180 euro which is about $270cdn. And there girls were complaining the rates were too low and wanting to go to Switzerland. And in Europe you risk more issues with trafficking from Eastern Europe and Latin America. Checking now it seems that some rates have dropped to 100 euro/$160cdn, but a bunch of places still at around 200 euro. But that must be within the last 3 months. From what I understand, Europe was heavily dependent on tourists and not locals and with increased costs of living, fewer people are traveling especially the "rich" in Europe that mainly consisted of the French, Germans and a few Brits.

Prices are dependent on supply and demand, and even at $270 and minus agency/house fees, working 3-4 hours a week can net a girl $15k minimum to $20k per month, which is closer to $200k/year and more if they do indy outside agency and have OF, sugar or find a millionaire bf. And given that you can start at 18 and work to 30-35, that's a decent chunk of change.

If a girl works once a week so 4 times a month:

$270 times 4= 1080 a day
Her agency fee: 330

1080-330=750

750 times 4 = 3k/month. Not sure how u got 15k-20k per month

 

[LeDodo]

If a girl works once a week so 4 times a month:

$270 times 4= 1080 a day
Her agency fee: 330

1080-330=750

750 times 4 = 3k/month. Not sure how u got 15k-20k per month

People should stop trying to deduct how much money other people make or trying to understand any pattern or logic like as discussed in this thread: Girl math

Sometimes it's simple math, sometimes is very complex context depending of the individual.

But one thing is sure, trying to understand the numbers just show how someone is treating it as a commodity.

And like all commodity ones is going to bitch about its value.

 

[Appleaday123]

People should stop trying to deduct how much money other people make or trying to understand any pattern or logic like as discussed in this thread: Girl math

Sometimes it's simple math, sometimes is very complex context depending of the individual.

But one thing is sure, trying to understand the numbers just show how someone is treating it as a commodity.

And like all commodity ones is going to bitch about its value.

I was just correcting this gentleman, that’s all

 

[mauricevachon]

The Montreal hobbying scene collapsed during covid

Been hobbying for 40+ years and it's never been this bad.
That includes Street Walker days of the 70s and 80s.

Impossible to find escorts under 22 (highest demand) at any price.

*****
Why?

1. Covid masking traumatized young adults.

Younger Canadians now increasingly regard each other as potential dirty, disease ridden threats.
Less sex, less drinking, less partying.
Smile at a Quebec girl today and you get a suspicious look.
That was never the case.

2. Agencies refuse to hire young girls.

- Rosters are filled with older (listed at 25-35+ ladies) who are not getting booked.
- Newly hired young girls (anyone who can pretend to be under 25) get fully booked immediately.
- However the new girls are hard to work with, and the jealousy they inspire among existing talent make it hard for agencies to deal with them.

3. Tourism is good, but average age is increasing

Older tourists and older Canadians don't hobby as much.

4. It's the economy stupid.

Escorting is sticky. Most hobbyists will cut everything else before they cut their girls.

That said, consumers are strapped.
Prices are way up.
Far higher than governments are saying.

5. Demographics - it's not getting better any time soon.

There is a clear lack of young entry level workers.
That applies to all fields.
Even the sex industry.

******

TLDR: Barring major unforeseen developments, Montreal is finished as a top hobbying/sex destination for at least a decade.

Time to start travelling again.

 

[Lucky 64]

The Montreal hobbying scene collapsed during covid

Been hobbying for 40+ years and it's never been this bad.
That includes Street Walker days of the 70s and 80s.

Impossible to find escorts under 22 (highest demand) at any price.

*****
Why?

1. Covid masking traumatized young adults.

Younger Canadians now increasingly regard each other as potential dirty, disease ridden threats.
Less sex, less drinking, less partying.
Smile at a Quebec girl today and you get a suspicious look.
That was never the case.

2. Agencies refuse to hire young girls.

- Rosters are filled with older (listed at 25-35+ ladies) who are not getting booked.
- Newly hired young girls (anyone who can pretend to be under 25) get fully booked immediately.
- However the new girls are hard to work with, and the jealousy they inspire among existing talent make it hard for agencies to deal with them.

3. Tourism is good, but average age is increasing

Older tourists and older Canadians don't hobby as much.

4. It's the economy stupid.

Escorting is sticky. Most hobbyists will cut everything else before they cut their girls.

That said, consumers are strapped.
Prices are way up.
Far higher than governments are saying.

5. Demographics - it's not getting better any time soon.

There is a clear lack of young entry level workers.
That applies to all fields.
Even the sex industry.

******

TLDR: Barring major unforeseen developments, Montreal is finished as a top hobbying/sex destination for at least a decade.

Time to start travelling again.

Yes it is bad you are so right!!! Most agency send you bad pics from 10 years ago but the Sp don t Even care about the services or time ,it is getting ridicoulous and not cheaper