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Is it me or PSE/GFE means nothing these days?

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Maybe I’m the one wrong who’s completely wrong, but a decade ago, GFE was very clear; girlfriend experience. It was basically like an encounter with your girlfriend with protected sex of course. DFK, BBJ, and a sensual touch were par of the course. For the last one, it heavily depended on the provider because not all were good at it.

PSE was a bit more ambiguous, but it was generally understood as being a more "naughty" experience like you would get sleeping with a pornstar. Most of the time, this was like a GFE but more extreme with things such as deepthroat, bs&l, dirty talk, MSOG, and often anal. It was a pornstar experience as the name entailed. Protected intercourse, as always.

In the past few years, however, those acronyms lost all their meanings. I’ve seen girls advertise PSE where it’s everything covered, no kissing, absolutely nothing but a vanilla experience that doesn’t even qualify as GFE. It’s like all those new providers got into the business without knowing how it worked and advertised a bunch of services they had no idea what they meant.

I find it quite irritating because now I have to clarify the services offered before arranging a meeting as there is often miscommunication. She says PSE and you inquire further, only to realize it isn’t PSE at all.

Am I onto something? Perhaps it has always been like that and I just noticed now. I don’t want to sound like an old man reminiscing about the good ol’ days, but I feel service was far more consistent and the acronyms meant something back then. Today, it’s a free for all and a bit of a mess.
 

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things went downhill after 2019. there's way more clients now and noticeably fewer providers.
many providers would not have even made a roster a decade ago, but the talent pool is just so much smaller these days.
rates keep increasing and the newer clients are gladly paying it regardless, so the providers just have no incentive to improve.
 

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Onlyfans and other platform like it hijacked the sex business. As the above post, less girls but way more clients. Many girls are doing OnlyFans and some do both so got another source of income. They do not want to escort unless it is for a high price and are less interested to give GFE because of that other source of income.
 
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Maybe I’m the one wrong who’s completely wrong, but a decade ago, GFE was very clear; girlfriend experience. It was basically like an encounter with your girlfriend with protected sex of course. DFK, BBJ, and a sensual touch were par of the course. For the last one, it heavily depended on the provider because not all were good at it.

PSE was a bit more ambiguous, but it was generally understood as being a more "naughty" experience like you would get sleeping with a pornstar. Most of the time, this was like a GFE but more extreme with things such as deepthroat, bs&l, dirty talk, MSOG, and often anal. It was a pornstar experience as the name entailed. Protected intercourse, as always.

In the past few years, however, those acronyms lost all their meanings. I’ve seen girls advertise PSE where it’s everything covered, no kissing, absolutely nothing but a vanilla experience that doesn’t even qualify as GFE. It’s like all those new providers got into the business without knowing how it worked and advertised a bunch of services they had no idea what they meant.

I find it quite irritating because now I have to clarify the services offered before arranging a meeting as there is often miscommunication. She says PSE and you inquire further, only to realize it isn’t PSE at all.

Am I onto something? Perhaps it has always been like that and I just noticed now. I don’t want to sound like an old man reminiscing about the good ol’ days, but I feel service was far more consistent and the acronyms meant something back then. Today, it’s a free for all and a bit of a mess.
Yes, you're right, the acronyms are meaningless now, because what was generally understand to be the case in terms of an offering before is now basically just marketing terms to attract clients without any real meaning behind them. As you say, you now still have to confirm every little thing, and definitions of what is what vary ridiculously now, often having nothing to do with what was the accepted meaning before. It's not really that you're onto something, and it's not exactly new, but it has been progressively getting worse over the last few years.
 

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Maybe I’m the one wrong who’s completely wrong, but a decade ago, GFE was very clear; girlfriend experience. It was basically like an encounter with your girlfriend with protected sex of course. DFK, BBJ, and a sensual touch were par of the course. For the last one, it heavily depended on the provider because not all were good at it.

PSE was a bit more ambiguous, but it was generally understood as being a more "naughty" experience like you would get sleeping with a pornstar. Most of the time, this was like a GFE but more extreme with things such as deepthroat, bs&l, dirty talk, MSOG, and often anal. It was a pornstar experience as the name entailed. Protected intercourse, as always.
If it helps, I definitely have no clear understanding of the difference between GFE and PSE, while I offer both :D

To be fair, I get a lot of inquiries where neither acronym is used. But also many that seem to contradict the above definition like: "I'm looking for a real GFE experience where we can truly make a connection while I ram my dick into your ass hard and fast, and then cum in your mouth". I mean, it sounds like a great time but I'm pretty sure you're coming to me because your girlfriend will not do that.
So, I've settled in my mind that GFE is just that; it's what you wish your girlfriend would do, and PSE is just generally more acrobatic. Either way I just try to go with the flow. ¯\_(ツ)_/
 

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GFE was always really simple. It meant a willingness to french kiss and do BBBJ. That's it. End of story. PSE has always been harder to pin down as anything in particular, because it could incorporate many things, but generally speaking it simply meant that the SP was open to anal. There might be other stuff added onto it but at its root definition that was it. So, again pretty simple. The SP offered french kissing and BBBJ and/or anal. If both were offered then the SP would offer GFE/PSE. Pretty simple, right? Now the whole thing has morphed into a ridiculous barf bowl full of acronyms that aren't consistent across different SPS and can mean anything or nothing. They have no meaning at all now except to bring the rubes to the table as market speak.
 
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Once upon a time, the GFE standard was adopted by most SP's Indies and reputable Agencies and included in their standard fees.
The Standard was based on the defunct myredbook sex forum Acronyms list:


The GFE standard was really the RBGFE... DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CFS, MSOG.
Actually, MSOG was mostly a std among reputable agencies.
It was not offered often with Ad's site SP's or it was extra. And still the case today.

For the CIM/CIMSW/DEEP THROAT service, for me it is more PSE but we can also call that GFE++ if no anal offered. Anal is PSE for sure.
GFE should also include some "Into It" attitude.

I do not use agencies much, but I think GFE is still the norm and included in basic prices for reputable agencies.

However, On ad's site, it is common nowadays to charge an EXTRA for GFE. Actually, many SP's charge extra for everythings.
10 yrs ago, It was common that CIM CIMSW was offered no charge... Not today.

Also, it is more and more common unfortunately on Ad's site that the word GFE is used but not offered at all.
Some ladies, pimps just want to attact you... Some will say that this their interpretation of GFE...
Never saw a GF that does not kiss...
Anyway, this is why We have to ask for the details (DFK, BBBK, DATY) in communication...
And even if the reply is positive, it does not garantie it is going to be what we expect.

Like this girl I asked in front of her if she french kisses, she said YES. But her mouth remained closed. Not even LFK...
Maybe some don't like my mouthwash smell...

UB
 
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Gfe is not a list of acronyms... the acronyms on their own don't make up the atmosphere it isn't gfe if it feels transactional.
Personally I classify myself more as 'safe gfe'. It is an atmosphere presented in time together.
 

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Gfe is not a list of acronyms... the acronyms on their own don't make up the atmosphere it isn't gfe if it feels transactional.
Personally I classify myself more as 'safe gfe'. It is an atmosphere presented in time together.
It may not be now, and I think that's what the OP was complaining about, but yes, GFE meant a very short, very specific coupling of acronyms that was pretty much agreed upon all around the world, generally speaking. The fact that it doesn't mean anything specific now has made the term useless for any meaningful purpose except salesmanship to the unwary.
 

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Gfe is not a list of acronyms... the acronyms on their own don't make up the atmosphere it isn't gfe if it feels transactional.
Personally I classify myself more as 'safe gfe'. It is an atmosphere presented in time together.

Unfortunately a lot of SP use the GFE tag when not offering a real GFE service, which like Rebaynia said, is not just about the acts but also the whole atmosphere.
The best GFE service almost always comes from a SP who put minimal effort in her add and her replies to your questions. If she didnt put any effort on the add
what makes you think she'll put any effort into your session. I can't personally vouch for her but based on my experience I would say Rebaynia offers an excellent
GFE service based on her opinions, her online presence and her website.

However GFE should at minimum automatically include kissing and daty. But not BBBJ as there are other considerations that come in play. If the SP had guys CIM
her without warning or permission in the past, its understandable she be more reticent about it while still being willing to kiss you. But clients should not forget that
they have their part to play as well. GFE is a inherently YMMV service. If you don't get the level of GFE you expected in your session based on your research perhaps
your hygiene is not as good as you think it is. If you fondle her boobs too roughly she probably wont let you use your fingers down there. Or if you behave like she's an
object she's going to have a hard time acting like she's your GF.

I'm not into PSE but it should mean sex similar to what is seen in mainstream porn productions. Fast, hard, gentle hair pulling, anal, COF, vulgar dirty talk, but no
kissing or cudling. If I wanted to try this service I'd look for a SP with pictures showing she's fit, energetic, and if she has poses reminescent of a porn star.
 

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It seems like there are at least two related but slightly different issues that this thread is circling around. The first is that in the past clients could rely on GFE to mean something specific, almost always including DFK and BBBJ (as @urquell pointed out), and so many Montreal veterans are disappointed when they expect but don't receive those pleasures. The second and perhaps more important issue is that some SPs and agencies continue to use the term GFE in their advertising even if they don't allow DFK and BBBJ, creating the impression that it means something specific and exploiting the assumptions that Montreal veterans have about the term.

At the risk of stating the logical obvious, the term GFE either has an agreed-upon meaning or it doesn't. It shouldn't be YMMV or guesswork. And as most posters here agree, if the terms doesn't have an accepted meaning, then it shouldn't be used in SP advertising as if it promises something specific. Without an agreed-upon and specific meaning (ie, acronyms), then the term "girlfriend experience" is meaningless, since some real-life girlfriends are not so nice, not so caring, and not so sexual. Sic transit gloria mundi?
 
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urquell

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Unfortunately a lot of SP use the GFE tag when not offering a real GFE service, which like Rebaynia said, is not just about the acts but also the whole atmosphere.
The best GFE service almost always comes from a SP who put minimal effort in her add and her replies to your questions. If she didnt put any effort on the add
what makes you think she'll put any effort into your session. I can't personally vouch for her but based on my experience I would say Rebaynia offers an excellent
GFE service based on her opinions, her online presence and her website.

However GFE should at minimum automatically include kissing and daty. But not BBBJ as there are other considerations that come in play. If the SP had guys CIM
her without warning or permission in the past, its understandable she be more reticent about it while still being willing to kiss you. But clients should not forget that
they have their part to play as well. GFE is a inherently YMMV service. If you don't get the level of GFE you expected in your session based on your research perhaps
your hygiene is not as good as you think it is. If you fondle her boobs too roughly she probably wont let you use your fingers down there. Or if you behave like she's an
object she's going to have a hard time acting like she's your GF.

I'm not into PSE but it should mean sex similar to what is seen in mainstream porn productions. Fast, hard, gentle hair pulling, anal, COF, vulgar dirty talk, but no
kissing or cudling. If I wanted to try this service I'd look for a SP with pictures showing she's fit, energetic, and if she has poses reminescent of a porn star.

You see, this outlook is a large part of the problem, and why I hate this term so much now. "GFE should include" is why there is so much confusion. Everybody has a different definition of what GFE means. Before GFE meant GFE, and everybody knew what that meant. Super simple. Now it means whatever the individual wants to interpret it as being, and as soon as you say "should include" you are automatically diluting the value of any definition of the term. In order to use a term in the way that it's meant to be used it needs to be specific and universally accepted, otherwise you might as well say you offer bologna and dad jokes as part of the service. Or a bowl of jellybeans. or tap dancing. whatever. You get the idea.
 
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You see, this outlook is a large part of the problem, and why I hate this term so much now. "GFE should include" is why there is so much confusion. Everybody has a different definition of what GFE means. Before GFE meant GFE, and everybody knew what that meant. Super simple. Now it means whatever the individual wants to interpret it as being, and as soon as you say "should include" you are automatically diluting the value of any definition of the term. In order to use a term in the way that it's meant to be used it needs to be specific and universally accepted, otherwise you might as well say you offer bologna and dad jokes as part of the service. Or a bowl of jellybeans. or tap dancing. whatever. You get the idea.

I don't disagree but if you sell a product or service to clients you have to adhere to certain standards even if your own personnal definition is different.

You can't sell something as being chocolate unless it contain a minimum quantity of cacao. If it doesnt it's not chocolate, it's chocolate flavored candy.
Which is fine, some people are happy with chocolate flavored candy. But it's not going to be chocolate because you think it is.
 

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I don't disagree but if you sell a product or service to clients you have to adhere to certain standards even if your own personnal definition is different.

You can't sell something as being chocolate unless it contain a minimum quantity of cacao. If it doesnt it's not chocolate, it's chocolate flavored candy.
Which is fine, some people are happy with chocolate flavored candy. But it's not going to be chocolate because you think it is.
No. To use your analogy, GFE meant peruvian chocolate 70% cocoa. That's it. No swiss chocolate, no Belgian chocolate, no 85 %, no 60%, no sprinkles. Nada. That's the product. As soon as you alter any of that it's not GFE anymore. There is no selective interpretation, no salespeak, and nobody gives a fuck if people are happy or not. That's not how it works, and that's not truth in advertising. That's the product they signed up for, and what was offered. You knew exactly the product you were buying, and if that wasn't what you wanted then you bought another product. Swiss white chocolate anyone? Sure, but that's not GFE. Except now, because broccoli chocolate ice cream is in vogue.
 
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