Is it me or PSE/GFE means nothing these days?

[Zzyzx]

No. To use your analogy, GFE meant peruvian chocolate 70% cocoa. That's it. No swiss chocolate, no Belgian chocolate, no 85 %, no 60%, no sprinkles. Nada. That's the product. As soon as you alter any of that it's not GFE anymore. There is no selective interpretation, no salespeak, and nobody gives a fuck if people are happy or not. That's not how it works, and that's not truth in advertising. That's the product they signed up for, and what was offered. You knew exactly the product you were buying, and if that wasn't what you wanted then you bought another product. Swiss white chocolate anyone? Sure, but that's not GFE. Except now, because broccoli chocolate ice cream is in vogue.

So next time you buy a coffee you're perfectly fine being served a cup of used motor oil because the barrista thinks it looks like coffee?

 

[Giselle Montreal]

Because with time the service categories appear to have narrowed down to two, I think now GFE only means "Not PSE" (since the latter provides a clearer interpretation of what’s included).

 

[urquell]

So next time you buy a coffee you're perfectly fine being served a cup of used motor oil because the barrista thinks it looks like coffee?

I think you missed what I was saying. If GFE is motor oil then yes, I'm fine getting motor oil. If GFE is coffee then I'm fine getting coffee. If GFE is coffee then I'm not fine getting motor oil. So, let's assume that GFE = Coffee. Is there good coffee and bad coffee? Sure. But GFE always means coffee so you get what you ask for as far as the product goes. Whether you enjoy your coffee or not depends on the quality, not the definition. Nowadays if you you are looking for coffee there are SPs offering you fruit juice even though they advertised coffee. It doesn't matter if you like fruit juice or not. It's not coffee, hence not GFE.

This analogy is making me tired. It's simple. GFE is GFE, which simply put historically means DFK and BBBJ. That's it. Nothing else. If you offer anything else then that's fine, but it's not GFE, it's in addition to GFE. The very best, and most charitable way you can describe it now is that the definition is changing, but if it is then it still means something specific if you're advertising it as such in a market that has specific expectations. That is simply not happening here. .

Because with time the service categories appear to have narrowed down to two, I think now GFE only means "Not PSE" (since the latter provides a clearer interpretation of what’s included).

I know it's working out that way, but that's simply not good enough. Under that definiton nude bungee jumping would be a legit GFE service offering. I always wonder how the bustier women do that, actually. lol.

 

[Giselle Montreal]

I know it's working out that way, but that's simply not good enough.

It certainly is enough for 99,9% of my clientele. GFE or PSE, it gives them an idea of our vibe. I know we tend to keep things the way we know them, we're often resistant to change as it feels safer; but 2002 is long gone and only a handful of people care.

 

[urquell]

It certainly is enough for 99,9% of my clientele. GFE or PSE, it gives them an idea of our vibe. I know we tend to keep things the way we know them, we're often resistant to change as it feels safer; but 2002 is long gone and only a handful of people care.

I'm going to push back on this, because from the guy standpoint it's not true, or at least it may only locally be true. Guys adapt, and make allowances for the changes here, but they don't like them and they don't like the uncertainty of having to ask what everything is all the time, and while it may be true of your vibe, it's a flat out lie for many SPs out there. Maybe even most of them locally. The guys accept it, because it is what it is, and they have to live with it, but they don't like it. At least the experienced guys don't. I always have to also try to make the distinction between what my experience is here locally vs. what it is elsewhere. It's not a Montreal only term, and elsewhere ( compared to Montreal a lot, the rest of Canada varies) it's still a lot closer to the original definition than it is here. That's the consistency issue, and it may apply to some clients here who aren't exclusive to Montreal because expectations vary. TBH, in a lot of places if you have to actually tell people that you offer GFE then it's not something you really offer, because that's the default setting for everyone (P.I. or Cuba for example) without having to say a word. That's the basis for comparison for people who travel. This is not a 2002 thing. This is a cultural thing.

Anyway, I'm getting long past the point of being tiresome and pedantic on the subject, and I apologize. This is a button to push with me because I like GFE and I get really frustrated with the local approach to the subject. It's probably my #1 bitch with the local scene.

 

[talkinghead]

It certainly is enough for 99,9% of my clientele. GFE or PSE, it gives them an idea of our vibe. I know we tend to keep things the way we know them, we're often resistant to change as it feels safer; but 2002 is long gone and only a handful of people care.

(I started this before @urquell posted his response, which I basically agree with.)

As I wrote earlier, part of the issue here is that some veteran clients miss the old days. We can care or not. But the bigger issue remains: if SPs are going to advertise as offering "GFE," that term needs to mean *something.* Contrasting it only with PSE is meaningless, since almost all sex work is not PSE. A handjob behind the mall would be GFE by that definition. And I do think it's reasonable for prospective clients to know what to expect from a date. In fact, that's one of my bottom lines when I plan a session: I don't like surprises of any kind. (Also: your ads are hugely appealing ... but I don't see you using the term GFE. Perhaps I'm missing it.)

I'll add that I'm mostly just typing here. I'm interested in this stuff but I'm not interested in arguing with anyone!