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  1. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    I agree with you, but a lot of people don't agree on the definition of abuse, and a lot of people don't understand nuances when these situations are discussed. It's also very hard to prove it in front of a judge, and it's hard to prove to and by LE. Personally I wish people would just learn more...
  2. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    It's not controversial to support a victim of assault or abuse.
  3. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    What are you saying because I don't get it lol There's a difference between paying for someone's services & treating them well, VS exploiting or abusing them due to a class difference. This can be seen in other industries as well.
  4. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    Would I do what if I were a millionaire? Would I be a sex worker? No. But I also wouldn't do a lot of other things. If I was a millionaire I would just focus on my art and on helping others, I wouldn't have any type of job. Most clients of sex workers aren't so rich that they aren't working for...
  5. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    I disagree with that personally. I see what you mean, but in a lot of cases it isn't true. If I put up an ad and a respectful client who is nice to me books me, I don't think he is abusing his power. What is an abuse of power is when a client sees that a provider is desperate for money and...
  6. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    A business transaction doesn't negate consent... And you're putting all the responsibility on providers. No clients will ever report anything to the police. I've had clients tell me they knew some places has minors working for them or that they now only saw indies because providers confided in...
  7. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    That's the thing. Also "the bad" is why we have to fight for decriminalization and call out this behavior and talk about it openly. Many people are in this business for financial reasons. Many young women would not have been able to leave the industry like Clementine did. Many of us had...
  8. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    One thing to be taken away from the interview is how naive about the industry and easily manipulated this girl was. It's very likely her father was seeing escorts and discovered her that way. I think it's easy to dismiss her by saying "come on she should have known she would have to have sex...
  9. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    There are countless scenarios you aren't thinking above. I highly doubt someone was raped "in front of someone" in this case. If a woman you know told you she was raped by a good friend of yours would you believe her? Would you go to LE? If a local young girl told you that your adult son was...
  10. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    You truly don't understand and what you're telling me is insanely insulting. Shame on you. You have never been raped, and you should not be talking to me this way. All I've been doing is call out practices and assaults on this thread. I have called out clients before and got threats and...
  11. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    I could respond with countless personal stories when I lost friends and family members and was isolated because of denouncing... As well as stories of countless women I know. But I don't want my entire weekend ruined and I'm tired of this. This whole situation is already upsetting enough on its own.
  12. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    Do you have any empathy for victims at all????? I can't believe what I'm reading here!!!!
  13. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    Maybe that's true. But Clementine is no longer active as a sex worker. A lot of the girls who worked at xo are indies now or work for other establishments. Like I said earlier in the thread she is a "perfect victim". If she was still a sex worker she would be trashed by the public and not...
  14. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    It's also up to men not to rape, coerce and abuse women by taking advantage of certain systems. Cops don't always tell the truth. I have civilian friends who reported rape to the police and were not taken seriously. One of my friends went through a horribly traumatic process only to have the...
  15. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    It's not that simple. Even if one of those girls witnessed abuse, what could she have done? She can just choose to leave but when we speak out against this sort of thing we are often severely punished. And I'm tired of hearing "victims are lying or embellishing their story" ... It's just so...
  16. Lunaseraphim

    SPs describe your most memorable moment with a client

    I had a memorable moment yesterday. A client I get along with very well booked me for multiple hours, we went to get breakfast and then we went on a walk in the old port and hung out and drank Prosecco in his hotel room. We had a lot to talk about, we were laughing a lot and we have great...
  17. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    I'm talking about the general public here, not clients. We also don't like it when clients ask us certain types of questions
  18. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    I don't want to sound depressing but most people don't actually care about us. To most people this is just another "fait divers".
  19. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    A lot of indies work for agencies and spa as well, just to have different sources of income. That doesn't mean they are not fully independent under their indy persona. It can also be that while they are beginning to build a reputation as an indy, they still need to work for an employer for a...
  20. Lunaseraphim

    Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning

    Je pense que souvent il y a des rumeurs à propos des indy qui ne sont pas tout à fait fondées. Oui ça se peut qu'une high end indy ait un chum qui profite de son travail, mais il y a des nuances. Par exemple, dans le passé j'ai entendu parler d'une femme dont le mari s'occupait de la publicité...