All of your insight are interesting. None the less, this XO shit might impact and bonifie my vetoing process on Who's service i'm taking. I dont want to participate on womens sufferance.
Nice la Presse Article on XO this morning
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Oh ya I agree with you @Lunaseraphim that she should express herself and this can help others.
My worry is specific to how the general population perceives this (most people just retain the titles)….
My worry is specific to how the general population perceives this (most people just retain the titles)….
I don't want to sound depressing but most people don't actually care about us. To most people this is just another "fait divers".
Sad….. but I care and am sure many of us on merb also care.
There are actually some who care too much......the so called "saviors", a couple of whom were banned from industry parties in the past because they annoyed SPs to no end with ridiculous questions in their misguided efforts to "save" them.
I'm talking about the general public here, not clients. We also don't like it when clients ask us certain types of questions
I’d like to think most clients would not patronize any agency whose behavior is an affront to anyone’s human dignity. Sadly some do.
It’s up to law enforcement working with victims and their families to bring justice. If other escorts within XO agency are witness to trafficking and rape, they’re culpable too. Nobody should ever have their dignity taken away silently.
I’ve never used XO because I don’t do incall in Montreal. But I’ve seen plenty of US agency busts (including one I referenced above)
That said, I’d let history of US agencies be a guide here.
Some agency owners can be scumbags (if not criminals, sounds like that’s the case here).
But victims in these types of agency cases can and do embellish what happened to them. Prosecutors can trump up charges and lead victims to use certain words which carry legal weight.
The media salivates when hearing these stories.
Every client, Indy etc puts every agency under microscope. Guilt by association.
White knights are unleashed.
Nervous nellies are now paranoid about using any agency service.
It is possible other agencies helped bring down XO, maybe justifiably so.
Rinse and repeat.
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It's not that simple. Even if one of those girls witnessed abuse, what could she have done? She can just choose to leave but when we speak out against this sort of thing we are often severely punished.
And I'm tired of hearing "victims are lying or embellishing their story" ... It's just so dismissive and upsetting. I can tell everyone who who has said things like this on this thread never experienced any type of abuse.
Involving LE in situations regarding sex work is extremely tricky. I've heard of girls who went to the police after reporting an assault and had cash money taken away from them or were laughed at. LE is often not on our side.
We agree to disagree. Yes, victims can and do embellish stories. You may find it insulting, but you’re living in a cave to think that never happens. It absolutely does, and it happens well outside this industry. I have enough friends who are cops who give countless stories. And prosecutors lead these victims to use words that carry certain legal weight. I’m not saying definitely that’s the case here, but often it is.
As for escorts reporting or not reporting abuse they see, well, that’s a moral dilemma. But my opinion is when you’re an adult, you have a moral obligation to speak. “I’m scared, or “They won’t believe me” is a cop out. Do not do what you think is right, do what IS right. And the right thing is speaking up for the victim in your midst, within your company when she’s being physically abused. Sorry, that’s basic humanity at its core.
If you’re old enough to vote, to go into the military, you’re mature enough to do the right thing and call out rape and abuse if it actually occurred.
Whether LE will listen, won’t listen, take your money. Just do the right thing and TRY to stop the abuse.
Pour ma part, j'avais rencontré une fille 2 fois, travaillant pour cette agence. A ma sortie, lors du 2e rendez-vous, des voisins m'avaient vu sortir et m'ont regardé d'un drôle d'air.
Je ne suis plus jamais retourné à cet endroit depuis. C'est pour ça que ma 2e rencontre fut ma dernière avec eux. Mais ça me surprend ce que ce reportage a dit, la femme que j'avais rencontré était plein d'enthousiasme et ne semblait pas être le genre de fille à s'en laisser imposer. Elle avait du caractère.
Je ne suis plus jamais retourné à cet endroit depuis. C'est pour ça que ma 2e rencontre fut ma dernière avec eux. Mais ça me surprend ce que ce reportage a dit, la femme que j'avais rencontré était plein d'enthousiasme et ne semblait pas être le genre de fille à s'en laisser imposer. Elle avait du caractère.
Forgive me. I had to use Google translate. Smart move by you not to return. Instincts are good guides.
And sorry to say, but if this XO escort knew abuse and r— were happening feet from here, and she did nothing, she didn’t have “good character” as you say.
Sorry, don’t read much French and cannot get the whole story, lol
Just found it’s really low to dig up and agency closed six month ago to write a piece, since. There won’t any opposite of “ the story “
More over, if the dude ( whom I think has a good chance used XO many times) really think the girls are victims, then post their photo does nothing but victimize them a second time.
There are so many different kind of lonely people out there, pastors, cops, judges, journalists, you name it and I won’t be surprised them number pop out on an agency’s call log.
As one owner told me before:
“My favourite sob story quote from it is « A father found her daughter by accident on an esc website and booked her to beg her to stop » …. Nah he was trying to book a girl and then got scandaled by the fact girls like this could be his daughter! « By accident » yeah ok ”
Just found it’s really low to dig up and agency closed six month ago to write a piece, since. There won’t any opposite of “ the story “
More over, if the dude ( whom I think has a good chance used XO many times) really think the girls are victims, then post their photo does nothing but victimize them a second time.
There are so many different kind of lonely people out there, pastors, cops, judges, journalists, you name it and I won’t be surprised them number pop out on an agency’s call log.
As one owner told me before:
“My favourite sob story quote from it is « A father found her daughter by accident on an esc website and booked her to beg her to stop » …. Nah he was trying to book a girl and then got scandaled by the fact girls like this could be his daughter! « By accident » yeah ok ”
The funny thing about what you're saying is, even if going to autorities is a traumatic process, its because of Clementine deposition that XO got takken down, every damn deposition stacked themselves up enough to build a case to arrive to that conclusion. So yeah, pusshing for people to see the police and autorities is absolutely the thing to do. Furthermore, transform the legal process so it's more victims friendly also the thing to do. Both can be pushed for at the same time.
Nobody will ever see a call log. And as I said, it’s difficult to determine facts from a sensational article such as this.
Victims can embellish and bask in the limelight. Prosecutors trump up charges. Agency owners will say or do anything to defend past heinous actions. The truth is in there somewhere, and it may only be revealed when everyone involved in this story is the next big Canadian influencer.
I don’t mean to sound cynical, but look around.
The French having "character" means she was kind of tough. Meaning she didn't look frail, fragile or easily be bullied.
It's always easy to have a good judgement or be courageous or very smart.
But to Luna's point, if you didn't experience it it's always easier.
It’s seldom easy to do the right thing in these circumstances. But if we’re not reporting r— or assault because LE may confiscate money or an escort claim won’t be deemed credible, we’ve lost our humanity.
It's also up to men not to rape, coerce and abuse women by taking advantage of certain systems. Cops don't always tell the truth. I have civilian friends who reported rape to the police and were not taken seriously. One of my friends went through a horribly traumatic process only to have the case dropped. It took me a week of online research to find out who her rapist was and to find other victims who didn't want to get involved because they were scared or didn't want to go through more trauma.
It's incredibly traumatic to report abuse and rape. It's not hard to understand that.
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