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Nice article by sports writer Brett Rosin on possible teams that might end up with "one of the best pitchers in baseball" according to Rosin, and surprise, surprise guess who Rosin is predicting who Darvish will sign with.

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Darvish looks like a girl. He looks like the type that loves to suck cock.
 

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Hey BOYZ,

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Darvish looks like a girl. He looks like the type that loves to suck cock.

He's does look like some bi-mannequin in the photo.

http://www.rantsports.com/bringingheat/2011/11/04/who-will-sign-yu-darvish/

November 5, 2011 at 4:14 pm

The Tribune Company owned the Cubs. Prior to going bankrupt- they had a BOAT LOAD of money. The Tribune Company decided to pocket all the profit because they knew Cub fans would go to games regardless of their record- which went on for 25 plus years. So trying to sell “the rogers communication corporation has money” doesn’t fly. Until the team spends the money needed to win- the pockets of the owner doesn’t matter.

Not to mention- we’re all speculating on WHEN Yu Darvish is actually posted. It’s not up to him on where he signs. So YOU Need to research your facts on how the post system works. IF the Yankees WANT Darvish- they’ll get him. I don’t think the Angels or Dodgers get him- but they’re in a bigger CURRENT market than Toronto thus making them a bigger play.


I think he just called the Blue Jays owners cheap bastards who know their fans won't stand up against them. It seems everyone knows. :thumb:

I'd love to see the Yankees go nuts overpaying for Darvish. It would show they have not changed one little bit.

This is kind of thing is closely connected to the Red Sox situation. Paying ungodly amounts of money just in posting fees, never mind contracts, for a player who hasn't pitched a minute in the Big Leagues displays exactly the kind of element that shows why MLB players know they have everyone by the balls and can act like prima donnas and/or slackers.

Too bad there's no rules in the MLB predetermining limits on salaries for rookies like the NFL now has. It really doesn't matter if this guy succeeds or fails, the kind of money he will get makes suckers of the league, the owners, and especially the fans. NOBODY like Darvish is worth or deserves to be paid like a star 10 year veteran no matter what he does...and that would have gone for Dice-K regardless of any results too.

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"rantsports"...who looks for facts in rantsports??? :lol: Could it be more lacking in credibility.
 

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Merlot said:
No doubt Boston's task of finding the best manager possible will be significantly tougher considering the hornet's nest that is the Boston media and fan hyper criticism and the current team turmoil.
Merlot, I'm afraid that is about the silliest thing you've ever posted on merb. Not only would every man the Red Sox have or will interview kill for this job, but there are a 100 more dying to be interviewed for what is one of the most desirable jobs in all of baseball.

Consider:
1. There are only 30 of these jobs in the world.
2. The job pays extremely well.
3. You get to manage a roster that is not only loaded currently, but will continue to be so.
4. You get to manage one of the two most successful teams (with the St. Louis Cardinals) of the early years of the 21st century.
5. You get to work in front of a full house 81 times a year.
 

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Nice article by sports writer Brett Rosin on possible teams that might end up with "one of the best pitchers in baseball" according to Rosin, and surprise, surprise guess who Rosin is predicting who Darvish will sign with.

http://network.yardbarker.com/mlb/a..._in_the_major_leagues/7861459?refmod=backyard
You mean THE Brett Rosin? The one who writes for the highly acclaimed Yardbarker? Who the fuck is Brett Rosin? What the fuck is Yardbarker? Joe, you really need to lay off the dumpster diving.

UPDATE: Well, I did it. I went and read Brett Rosin's piece. Really, Joe? Is that really the kind of garbage from which you derive your expert opinions? That piece of shit couldn't even make it into a self-respecting high school newspaper. The Marlins? Really? The Dodgers? You don't say. Is this Rosin kid (no adult could have written this drilvel) not aware that the Dodgers are bankrupt and that it takes time to sell a team?
 

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Yikess!!!, it looks like rumples has a serious hard one for Darvish and is pissed off royally because Rosin failed to mention the Red Sox as a potential landing spot for Darvish, side note - pitching is a position of dire needs right now for the Sox, it's too bad the Red Sox won't get Darvish(according to Rosin), oh well as the saying goes you win some and you lose some, happy landings with fat Freddy or Bartolo, two nice rotund figures who would absolutely love the chicken and beer that they eat in the clubhouse.:D

Here are the free agent rankings according to Jeff Pason of Yahoo sports, he has Darvish as the top rated pitcher and has him ranked third overall behind Pujols and Fielder.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-passan_ultimate_free_agent_tracker_baseball_110211
 

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Cameron Diaz dating P Diddy

Cameron Diaz has reportedly been finding comfort in the arms of P Diddy after her split from baseball star Alex Rodriguez.

The Bad Teacher actress was spotted enjoying dinner with the rapper at Catch Roof in New York followed by a romantic walk in the park the next day, where an onlooker said she was "beaming".

“They looked really comfortable together,” the witness told Life & Style magazine, while another source added: "It's early and not exclusive. Diddy is someone Cam can have fun with, no ties at all."

The pair are first thought to have hooked up in 2008 during a party at Prince’s house.

"She was the last person to show up, and I was standing there with a friend of mine - we looked over at one of the lounge chairs and we were like 'Do you see that?' She was making out with Diddy!" a partygoer recalled.
 

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No doubt Boston's task of finding the best manager possible will be significantly tougher considering the hornet's nest that is the Boston media and fan hyper criticism and the current team turmoil.

PEEEUUUU!!!

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Merlot, I'm afraid that is about the silliest thing you've ever posted on merb. Not only would every man the Red Sox have or will interview kill for this job, but there are a 100 more dying to be interviewed for what is one of the most desirable jobs in all of baseball.

Consider:
1. There are only 30 of these jobs in the world.
2. The job pays extremely well.
3. You get to manage a roster that is not only loaded currently, but will continue to be so.
4. You get to manage one of the two most successful teams (with the St. Louis Cardinals) of the early years of the 21st century.
5. You get to work in front of a full house 81 times a year.

Have to agree with Merlot on this one. :D
 

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Hey Boys,

Hey BOYS,

No doubt Boston's task of finding the best manager possible will be significantly tougher considering the hornet's nest that is the Boston media and fan hyper criticism and the current team turmoil.

PEEEUUUU!!!

Merlot

Merlot,...Not only would every man the Red Sox have or will interview kill for this job, but there are a 100 more dying to be interviewed for what is one of the most desirable jobs in all of baseball.

Consider:
1. There are only 30 of these jobs in the world.
2. The job pays extremely well.
3. You get to manage a roster that is not only loaded currently, but will continue to be so.
4. You get to manage one of the two most successful teams (with the St. Louis Cardinals) of the early years of the 21st century.
5. You get to work in front of a full house 81 times a year.

Well Rumps 99% of your inferences are true, but the most important 1% is questionable.

First, just to note the difference between what I think and what those who say they agree with me think, I am completely aware that their motivations are almost entirely about an opportunity to continue Sox-bashing and very little else, and so, irrelevant to me.

Back to the subject, your statement for the most part really has very little conflict with mine. You are talking about all those who would love the opportunity to manage an MLB team, and I am talking about the best possible person for the position. Obviously few who want the job, wannabes, are not specifically the best possible choice. There cannot be 130 best choices.

Where we do conflict is your inference that the managerial position with the Red Sox would be the preferred choice among any other options. In choosing between the Cubs, Cardinals and Red Sox, I doubt that any of the best candidates, "best" also meaning considerate of the environment, task ahead, and likely emotional consequences to the candidate and his family, that anyone could avoid being mindful of the difficulty of the current team issues and especially the treatment of Francona. I'm not saying the position overall isn't still a fantastic opportunity, but the current situation definitely would make it less so than other years.

The issues in the clubhouse among some key players are bad enough, but when a candidate looks at the way one of the best fitting and the most winning manager in 86 years, having brought instant and repeated success against a legendary situation, was basically scapegoated and treated with what amounts to mean-spirited personal slander by some anonymous muckraker, any candidate for the job might have to wonder if it would be better to go to markets where the scrutiny by everyone isn't so intense, and at times so bitter.

Even one of our best fitting managers ever, Francona noted in an interview how much the job had aged him emotionally and psychologically. No doubt his family had to endure a significant part of that stress. Any managerial candidate who does not at least consider all of the above cannot be the best man for the job. One has to be fully aware and ready for the job...NOT, just want it.

FUNNY!

I was Googling "sox news" to post here who might be some of the best candidates for the job and as if to confirm my point, coincidentally, this was the first thing that came up:

Mike Maddux not in Red Sox plans

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7204436/mike-maddux-takes-name-boston-red-sox-manager-list

Texas Rangers pitching coach Mike Maddux won't be the Boston Red Sox manager.

"Mike Maddux has withdrawn his name from consideration for the Boston Red Sox managerial position and therefore will not interview with the team tomorrow," general manager Ben Cherington announced in a statement released by the team Monday afternoon.

Maddux, 50, the older brother of former Cubs and Braves great Greg Maddux, pitched for 10 teams in a 15-year career in the majors. He was the Brewers' pitching coach for six seasons and has been in the same role with the Rangers the last three seasons.

He had been scheduled to interview for the Chicago Cubs' managerial post as well. It is unclear whether he has pulled out of consideration there, too.

Late last week, Maddux called it "unbelievable to hear those two teams have interest."

Maddux's withdrawal leaves Cleveland Indians bench coach Sandy Alomar Jr. next up to interview for the Red Sox job. He is scheduled to visit Fenway to meet with Red Sox brass on Wednesday. Phillies bench coach Pete Mackanin and Milwaukee Brewers hitting coach Dale Sveum have already been interviewed for the position.

Maddux would have been perhaps the most intriguing candidate on Boston's list and the one who might best fulfill the needs of a team whose pitching could most benefit from a strong, expert voice. No less of an authority than Rangers president Nolan Ryan has called Maddux the hardest-working pitching coach he has ever been around, and Maddux brings a reputation for toughness and a demand that his charges be in top condition, attributes that would appear exactly in line with what the Sox require.

In Texas, a graveyard for pitchers ever since the Ballpark in Arlington opened in 1994, the Rangers posted their best staff ERA (3.79) since 1983. In 2008, the season before Maddux came over from the Brewers, the staff ERA was 5.37. By the next season, he had shaved nearly a full run (4.38) and it went to sub-4.00 in 2010 (3.93) before dropping again this past season.


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I'm not saying this decision backs my point, but the withdrawal of one of Cherington's most highly considered candidates for the Sox managerial position does go against the idea: "every man the Red Sox have or will interview kill for this job".

Now don't be pissed at me when all I am only saying is this is a uniquely timed coincidence...well, maybe more. We don't know his reasons. He's got a good situation with a team that is currently a very strong contender. That's probably the reason. But if he doesn't also withdraw from the Chicago interview...............

If Nolan Ryan's assessment is accurate, this is a big loss.

Maybe not so silly, ;)

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In choosing between the Cubs, Cardinals and Red Sox, I doubt that any of the best candidates, "best" also meaning considerate of the environment, task ahead, and likely emotional consequences to the candidate and his family, that anyone could avoid being mindful of the difficulty of the current team issues and especially the treatment of Francona. I'm not saying the position overall isn't still a fantastic opportunity, but the current situation definitely would make it less so than other years.

The issues in the clubhouse among some key players are bad enough, but when a candidate looks at the way one of the best fitting and the most winning manager in 86 years, having brought instant and repeated success against a legendary situation, was basically scapegoated and treated with what amounts to mean-spirited personal slander by some anonymous muckraker, any candidate for the job might have to wonder if it would be better to go to markets where the scrutiny by everyone isn't so intense, and at times so bitter.

Even one of our best fitting managers ever, Francona noted in an interview how much the job had aged him emotionally and psychologically. No doubt his family had to endure a significant part of that stress. Any managerial candidate who does not at least consider all of the above cannot be the best man for the job. One has to be fully aware and ready for the job...NOT, just want it.

Again, i totally agree with what Merlot wrote, and totally disagree with what the Red Sox' #1 cheerleeder (Rumples) wrote. Right now, the situation with the Red Sox is a joke & makes the days of George Steinbrenner at the helm of the NY Yankees pale in comparison to what's going on in Boston. No one in their right mind would want to manage the Red Sox right now. Unless you're an egomaniac who's become a pariah around the major leagues.....who wants to get back into the game.

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It is rather telling that Maddux removed himself from consideration for the Boston job but not from the Chicago position.

I think that Boston has a more serious problem than some Red Sox fans will admit. A toxic work environment will eventually bring down an organization despite early successes.

I agree that it's more a case of Maddux taking himself out of consideration for the Boston job. If he would have kept his name in, he figured (with good reason) that it would likely diminish his chances of being the Cubs' next skipper.

As for the Red Sox having a more serious problem than some Red Sox fans will admit, i do agree, but my rough estimate is that the majority of true baseball fans in Sox nation aren't as blind as people make them to be & are honest about the soap opera going on at Fenway these days.
 

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Hey Boys,

Again, i totally agree with what Merlot wrote, and totally disagree with what the Red Sox' #1 cheerleeder (Rumples) wrote. Right now, the situation with the Red Sox is a joke & makes the days of George Steinbrenner at the helm of the NY Yankees pale in comparison to what's going on in Boston. No one in their right mind would want to manage the Red Sox right now. Unless you're an egomaniac who's become a pariah around the major leagues.....who wants to get back into the game.

Well, despite the hundreds and thousands of times I've been called a "homer" by homers, I just write what I think honestly. I try to deal with reality all of the time, unlike those who never have any intention of doing the same...and I don't care who agrees with me.

All of my views on the managerial situation with the Red Sox are about dealing with the realities any candidate would have to face in accepting the job, and why they have reason to have other preferences right now. But in NO WAY is the situation "a joke". That's just nonsense.

The Yankees for one have all the same inherent media and fan hyper intensity, and bumbling ownership problems. The difference between the teams right now seems to be the motivations and dedication of some key players. But there is no way the Sox situation is nearly as bad as the days of the Martin and Steinbrenner show, with Martin having psychotic arguments and fist fights with the players or Steinbrenner bouncing personnel around like cheap ping pong balls.

As for St., Louis and Chicago, one offers the advantage of taking over the World Series Champion, and the other seems to have signaled a serious intent of raising the potential by hiring a general manager who has built champions. But in actuality the expectations are probably just as or close to as intense with these teams as for the Sox...only without the immediate motivations issues and the weeding out of those lacking.

In fact, any considerate manager would find the Boston situation infinitely preferable to taking over the Blue Jays for the key reason that the Jays potential has such entrenched limitation because the incredibly wealthy owners handcuff everyone by refusing to commit the necessary investments make a real competitor. Of course money isn't everything, but if the organization had all the right player-management-recruiting dynamics in place to win regardless of funding they would have done better than fourth against the situation you describe as..."a joke"...which is quite an indictment of what's going on in Toronto. No manager would prefer to take over in a place like Toronto where championship potential is DEAD ON ARRIVAL!!!

Now let's see one of your..."i totally agree with what Merlot wrote" replies. :D :thumb:

Boston has a club with as much potential as any team in the Majors. No matter what, the club has the undying support of the fans and the media despite all of the unremitting intense scrutiny. The club has all the financial potential, and already has many of the best foundation players any club could ask for. The fact of what happened and how it was handled hasn't changed that. There is only one real problem with two parts. Dealing with those who have failed to be dedicated and professional, and finding someone who has the professionalism and dedication to make that happen.

Sure it's hard in Boston. "It's the hard that makes it GREAT!"

I agree and made the same point on the previous page of this thread:

It is rather telling that Maddux removed himself from consideration for the Boston job but not from the Chicago position.

I think that Boston has a more serious problem than some Red Sox fans will admit. A toxic work environment will eventually bring down an organization despite early successes.

The Maddux element is inconclusive until he decides to interview or not.

Except for the current weeding out or control of a FEW unprofessional players the so-called toxic element is no different than that in New York. Saying anything worse is just self-serving homerism. The ownership issue is probably better in Boston considering the Steinbrenners.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp...25932554&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

The Red Sox, Cardinals and the Cubs are each looking for a new field manager. That's three storied franchises with three large payrolls and three infinitely loyal fan bases. In terms of prestige and track record, though, two of them are at least one notch above the other.

If I had my choice, I'd take the other.

Contrary to the sentiments of colleagues Anthony Castrovince and Marty Noble, it's the Cubs job that's most appealing.

That's right, the Cubs. The "Lovable Losers," the forever cursed and the eternally hopeless of the bunch. Tito Jackson in a household with Michael and Janet (last one, I promise). The ones who haven't won it all in more than a century, are coming off a 91-loss season, have bad contracts on their payroll and will require a top-to-bottom overhaul.

The biggest reason the Cubs' job trumps the vacancies in St. Louis and Boston is perhaps the same one that prompted Theo Epstein to leave his job as general manager in Beantown to become president of baseball operations in the Windy City.

Fail with the Cubs, you're simply the latest in a long line of distinguished baseball men who have come up short.

Bring a championship to that starved organization, and you'll be elevated to an unprecedented level.

"When we build that foundation for sustained success and it ultimately results in a World Series," Epstein said at his introductory press conference, "it's going to be more than just a World Series."

It would be baseball nirvana.

As the architect of a 2004 Red Sox team that ended an 86-year title drought, Epstein should know. And by going to Chicago and hiring two of the men who helped him achieve that success -- making Jed Hoyer his new executive vice president and GM and Jason McLeod his new VP of scouting and player development -- he has laid a similar foundation for success.

Once Epstein and his crew rids the club of short-sighted contracts, makes an imprint on its Minor League system and signs premier free agents -- maybe as early as this offseason, with Pujols or Prince Fielder -- it's entirely possible that the Cubs could enter their most successful era and eventually end their miserable championship drought.

"It's a rare chance to do something special in this city," Hoyer said, "to win a title that can transform a fan base and transform a region."

Wouldn't you like to be the manager credited for that?

Isn't that better than going to a Red Sox organization that's expected to win like the Yankees, competes in the same division as the Yankees and is coming off an epic collapse blamed mostly on a toxic clubhouse?

Or following up on a World Series championship in St. Louis, filling the shoes of the Hall of Fame-bound Tony La Russa and possibly doing so without Pujols?

The Cubs are a big-market team with a big-market fan base, a big-market payroll and on its way to eventually producing big-market wins -- and the best part is the job still doesn't come with big-market expectations. Epstein knows, as do knowledgeable fans, that this is the kind of project that requires a lot of work and will take plenty of time.

With that in mind, the new manager should and probably will be given plenty of leeway -- the type that would allow him to see this rebuilding project all the way through.

And whoever does become that next Cubs skipper -- whether it's Terry Francona, Pete Mackanin, Dale Sveum, Mike Maddux or somebody else -- will be forever worshiped in Chicago if he brings World Series glory for the first time since 1908.

If he doesn't? Well, it's not like he won't have company.


Cheers agreers, ;)

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Agreed on all parts! :thumb:

Spoken like a true homer, so I disagree.

I'm certainly not a Blue Jays fan, but under Alex Anthopoulos they have been rebuilding the right way. The team has been shedding the bad contracts of the previous regime while building one of the best minor league systems in the game and locking up the keys to future success.

Teams don't make the playoffs merely by spending more money than the other guys. It has to be done intelligently.

The Jays are still maybe two years from consistently competing for the playoffs but could get there sooner with some more shrewd moves and a little luck. As a Yankee fan I have been worrying more about the Rays the past few years than the Red Sox. Going forward, I'll be more concerned about competition from both the Rays and Jays starting in 2013.
 

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Right now, the situation with the Red Sox is a joke
Buchholz, Lester, Beckett, Bard, Gonzalez, Pedroia, Scutaro, Youkilis, Crawford and Ellsbury is a joke that the Blue Jays would love to have.
 

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Meh.... i'd take what the Jays are doing ANYDAY over the fiasco that is currently going on in beantown.
Buchholz, Lester, Beckett, Bard, Gonzalez, Pedroia, Scutaro, Youkilis, Crawford and Ellsbury is a joke that the Blue Jays would love to have.
 

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Buchholz, Lester, Beckett, Bard, Gonzalez, Pedroia, Scutaro, Youkilis, Crawford and Ellsbury is a joke that the Blue Jays would love to have.

I beg to differ.

Buchholz is injury plagued so that does not make him very reliable.

Bard - You are joking, right?.

Youk - Coming off a injury and terrible season.

Ellsbury - Fluke season, will not have the same type of year, guaranteed(check his history).

Crawford - Need I say more?

Theo, gone, Francona, gone, looks like another year without the playoffs unless they sign Darvish, Pujols and Fielder.

Gotta agree with the good Doctor on this one.
 

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Excellent analysis my good man! Now use the same for this weeks NFL picks, i have some dates with Mtl's finest coming very soon. :D

I beg to differ.

Buchholz is injury plagued so that does not make him very reliable.

Bard - You are joking, right?.

Youk - Coming off a injury and terrible season.

Ellsbury - Fluke season, will not have the same type of year, guaranteed(check his history).

Crawford - Need I say more?

Theo, gone, Francona gone, looks like another year without the playoffs unless they sign Darvish, Pujols and Fielder.

Gotta agree with the good Doctor on this one.
 

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It's now being reported that New York Yankees GM, Joe.T, has just signed Yeonis Cespedes to a 10 year/$240 contract.

In other news, Joe.T is reporting that once injured means oft injured.

Yes, Carl Crawford had an off season and Joe.T is calling his All Star career at an end. This is the same Joe.T who deemed Mike Lowell finished after his off season in Miami in 2005. All Lowell did was lead the Sox to the 2007 World Series title.

Yes, Youk was terrible in 2011. His OPS was only 10 points higher than that of Alex Rodriguez.

Yes, Joe.T's favorite food is his own foot.

i have some dates with Mtl's finest coming very soon. :D
Wonderful!!! I can't wait to see the reviews.
 

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I think the sox are in a whole lot more trouble than "some" in here refuse to believe. If they even wanna see post season again in 2012, it starts with stable management, something they currently lack. I am anxious to see who they end up with for a manager and coaching staff before i can truly say if they are headed back into the right direction.

On the flip side of things, i see the Yankees adding a starting pitcher somehow/someway, just not sure who yet, but i also think they will re sign one of Garcia/Colon as a depth move. Having Montero's bat in the lineup over Posadas just made them better offensively than last season, scary. And having a healthy Chamberlain, who was pitching great before his injury, and Pedro Feliciano healthy improves the best bullpen in the game to even better, again, Scary

My biggest concerns as a Yankees fan is how to thwart off the surging Blue Jays and the pitching stacked Rays... It should be a dog fight for the top three in the east between the Yanks, Jays and Rays.
 

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Spoken like a true homer, so I disagree.

I'm certainly not a Blue Jays fan, but under Alex Anthopoulos they have been rebuilding the right way. The team has been shedding the bad contracts of the previous regime while building one of the best minor league systems in the game and locking up the keys to future success.

Teams don't make the playoffs merely by spending more money than the other guys. It has to be done intelligently.

The Jays are still maybe two years from consistently competing for the playoffs but could get there sooner with some more shrewd moves and a little luck. As a Yankee fan I have been worrying more about the Rays the past few years than the Red Sox. Going forward, I'll be more concerned about competition from both the Rays and Jays starting in 2013.

I totally agree with you. Alex Anthopoulos did say the other day on tv/radio that ownership has assured him they'll allow him to spend a lot more once he feels that the team is ready to contend for the pennant. I have no doubt that his hands are not attached & that he'll start spending more once the right time comes.

You're also correct in stating that overspending doesn't guarantee success. Proof of this are the Boston Red Sox, who not only did they miss the playoffs, but have become the joke of major league baseball. I'm not exaggerating. These days, i'd be extremely embarrassed to publicly state that i'm a Red Sox fan and/or walk around with a Red Sox cap on top of my head. Embarrassing!
 
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