2012 Wishlist To Agencies...

[Merlot]

Basically,

Own up. When a client accurately reports an inadequate experience in a review...accept the facts, deal with them, pledge to correct them next time. Don't attack your honest client. Don't defend a poor encounter. Just try to provide a better one instead of attacking a review that isn't perfect for the escort or agency.

Thanks,

Merlot

 

[Kansas Frank]

I love taking showers with the SP's after the good deed.

 

[Mike's Mansion]

Lots of great suggestions guys! Alot of these should be standard. We will do our best to implement alot of these this year. Except for one i have to disagree with. Rumples' accuracy complaint. In my experience being brutally honest about a girl's age/weight description is more harmful to her than anything. For example if we listed Molly's real age when she started (which is in her early 30's) more than half of you wouldn't have seen her based on that and would've missed out on her charms. The first thing the average client would have though in his head is "old" or "used" or whatever. Another is the weight. Say a girl's real weight is 132lbs and she's 5'6. That's a very healthy weight, slim with a healthy body. However the first thing that will go through your mind is "fat" or "heavy"...if a girl is really 18 alot of people will say "too young" or "i feel like i'm robbing the cradle". Trust me. Many refusal's based on little things like that...even Rumples said it "The funny thing is that I'd much rather see a 21 year old than a 19 year old." If we listed her at 19 odds are he wouldn't have booked her without reviews. Also when we alter a girl's info it's to also protect her real identity if someone recognizes her. With perfect details a girl is more likely to be found out also...I'm sure most agencies have this dilemna. As for us, we are revamping everything and will be open to all of these great suggestions. GREAT thread Evilthings

Mike

 

[alain3riv]

I agree with you that some detail should be tweeked to give a girl some chance. Your example of a SP with 130lbs and 5'6 is great. But the problem is that we all know that an agency (or independant SP) who list a girl as 30 is at least 38... even 40. Weight is often at least 20# over the description. So everybody lie, and everybody know it.. It get difficult to know if it is a "good" exageration or a "desperate" description...

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

For example if we listed Molly's real age when she started (which is in her early 30's) more than half of you wouldn't have seen her based on that and would've missed out on her charms.

If this is true Mike, she's even somewhat older than she's told me. (BTW, she looks what she told me; she doesn't look early 30s.) I still disagree with you. Naomie, for example, is listed at 36 and there's no woman working in Montreal who is booked more solidly than she is. If you're good, as good as Molly and Naomie, the age doesn't matter.

If we listed her at 19 odds are he wouldn't have booked her without reviews.

Very true, Mike. The problem here is that you're suggesting that it's OK to deceive the client in order to get the booking. Sorry. It isn't OK. You're most likely quite aware that you guys are getting 90% of my business because you run a good operation, have a great crew, and deliver on time. I don't think it's too much to ask you to be straight with me when I ask how old a girl is.

One other thing, Mike. According to your descriptions, Jenna weights 5 pounds more than Molly. Really? Having explored every ounce of each of them many times, I can assure you that there are many more ounces of Molly to enjoy than there are of Jenna.

BTW, nice to see you posting, Mike.

 

[Mod 8]

Hello,

I have just removed a number of posts from this thread that were totally off topic. If any similar posts are made, there will be a suspension handed out along with the next post I delete.

Lovemaker, if you continue to attack any other member you will not like the result. If you cannot stay on topic, do not post in a thread. Any further off topic posts you make in any thread directed at any other member will not end well.

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[Mike's Mansion]

Oh no no no. Let me clear this up. First i'm not talking specifically about you. I just used what you said as an example. You are one of the best clients i've ever dealt with in all aspects. Any time you, or anyone else for that matter wants to know the real age etc about any girls that's no problem. Zero issues there. What i was trying to say is that in general most clients (*important* who ARE NOT merbites or hobbyists) think this way. It's important to note also we are not exclusively only on merb. We have alot more advertizing sources out there. And i'm definately not saying that it's ok to deceive clients. Especially regulars/merbites. It's a matter of advertising strategy is all. Girls weight, hair, styles, attitudes are constantly changing so we try to be as accurate as possible without hurting the business. I completly agree with you that ages should be revised. And they will be.

 

[montreal angels]

why play with girls age and weight ?????

no one should ever play with these , trustworthy agency should always say the right information, customers are not stupid and now think most agencies do play with numbers .
I might not have tons of review on merb but have thousands of customer due to my agency honesty ,really different than most agencies on merb where customer are fooled with girls not really available and are on the board , fake age or description ,one should have the right to choose what is real and not . its like i show you a ferrary on stand but on delivery i bring a honda . The same with girls privacy , some agencies and im not gonna name them but are a lot talking about privacy but show face pics of some girls , and after info , not all agree with this .( sorry for my bad english )

 

[Lovemaker]

Montreal Angels, I agree with you and you make some very valid points. Your English is much better than my French

 

[Mike's Mansion]

MA..."its like i show you a ferrary on stand but on delivery i bring a honda" THAT is called bait & switch. EVERY agency tweaks SOME girls info for BUSINESS purposes. If you were a client what looks better to you? example (100% accurate info) Danika 5'1 117lbs 32b 22yrs or (tweaked info) Danika 5'3 110lbs 34b 19 yrs? Is that small change deceit? I'd love to know what everyone thinks please. As far as face pix go, the only face pix we post are the ones we are allowed by the girls to post. Some don't mind showing their face on merb but will on the website. Same for your girls i'm sure.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

example (100% accurate info) Danika 5'1 117lbs 32b 22yrs or (tweaked info) Danika 5'3 110lbs 34b 19 yrs? Is that small change deceit?

Yes, I'm afraid it is, Mike. You've made her two inches taller and 7 lbs lighter. That's a pretty huge difference. And as far as I'm concerned, you've made her a lot less attractive to me by making her not just younger, but most likely much less experienced. I like girls who know what they're doing, which is why I mostly shy from 19 year olds.

MA..."its like i show you a ferrary on stand but on delivery i bring a honda" THAT is called bait & switch.

Changing girls' ages and tweaking their stats is NOT bait and switch, not even close, but it still isn't right. Offering Grace and sending Blanche is bait and switch. MA's analogy here doesn't work.

 

[montreal angels]

MA's analogy here doesn't work.

the sense of this was you expect something and you get something else , if you describe someone or even something , you deliver what you said , im not talking about bait & switch at all guys , im talking really only about saying the right info , cause i think you guys are all wise and know that , so why doesnt every agency give the right info , im not talking about 2 -3 pound cause their weight always change a little but to be accurate as much as possible , also the ages



also mike , i was not talking escpecially about you for face pictures , couple agencies do that , i didnt mention any name actually , its your business decision

 

[ManApart]

Personally, I don't take a girls stats too much to heart. From my experience all agencies tweak the ages, weight, height a little. I just use it as a guideline. Obviously I would prefer if they were 100% accurate, but in this business they can't be counted on to be.

I am not too picky about all that anyway. 18 or 22 years old, 5'2 or 5'4, 115lbs or 125lbs doesn't concern me too much. The thing I want is the most clear, updated and accurate pics I can get. From there, I will make my own assumptions about her stats and decide if I am interested. Some agencies have pics that date back long periods (Devilish) or are so photoshopped up (QOS) It looks like a cartoon. For me the more amateur the pics, the better. I like Eleganza's pics, because they are from different angles, upclose and topless (I'm a breast man). They are amateur and I know that what I see is basically what I get. The only tricks used by John, is trying to get the girl's best angles. Many of his pics don't flatter the girl at all and they end up looking better in person. At least they are real and I can trust them. GoodGirls is very similar as well. Some of the new pics at Chloe's are pretty good. A variety of angles, topless, they are clear and not overly photoshopped. Only one for Jade though? If the girl authorises it, then of course I like face pics as well. It gives me an infinite better chance of getting a girl I will be attracted to. How many girls with hot bodies and bad faces have I seen?

So to reiterate, for me the stats are not that important, as long as they are not outrageously exaggerated (although I of course prefer the exact stats). I want clear, recent, and accurate photos from multiple angles and topless..

 

[Siocnarf]

I agree, with clear pictures you get a good idea what to expect and the stats become not even necessary. I don't need to know their age to the exact year and I can usually tell from pictures if she's young, middle aged or mature. I don't use outcall agencies, but the pictures at Ouraffair are a good example of useful picture: clear, varied with a decent quality.

 

[Merlot]

MA..."its like i show you a ferrary on stand but on delivery i bring a honda" THAT is called bait & switch. EVERY agency tweaks SOME girls info for BUSINESS purposes. If you were a client what looks better to you? example (100% accurate info) Danika 5'1 117lbs 32b 22yrs or (tweaked info) Danika 5'3 110lbs 34b 19 yrs? Is that small change deceit? I'd love to know what everyone thinks please. As far as face pix go, the only face pix we post are the ones we are allowed by the girls to post. Some don't mind showing their face on merb but will on the website. Same for your girls i'm sure.

Hello CP,

YES. It's deceit. Any agency trying to justify what you refer to as tweaking for "business purposes" is deceiving clients.

I have to agree with Rumples. I have nothing against your agency, and I'm happy the agency was voted best in Montreal for two years running. But that change in stats changes my likelihood of calling for the lady as described. Of course that's what you said you wanted to avoid in the first place. Still you are selling deception by making these changes. The fact that many agencies have changed stats for hundreds of escorts changing nothing. Doing anything because "everyone else does it" is a weak and cynical excuse to deceive prospective clients for profit. That is not what you were voted best agency for.

As ManApart said, as long as there are accurate and up-to-date photos the stats are much less important. I go by photos, reviews, and reliable private reports. For most I don't think stats will determine whether someone sees a lady. But for many others who have very particular tastes, stats are much more critical. For those clients your adjustments are going too far. Dropping 7 lbs and adding 2 inches amounts to dropping about 11 lbs, and for those it matters to, all you did in your post above was justify a deception, if not an outright lie, to generate business.

Think about this. If you are willing to tweak stats because as you say everyone is doing it, then why shouldn't anyone think you aren't just as willing be false about the quality of individual ladies and anything else if you can argue openly that profits can justify what you think is just "tweaks"...and if this is just fair game to you then what's to stop you from rationalizing bigger deceptions...for profits.

You seem to have a good agency with a very good reputation. But I'm stunned you think doing this is just acceptable business, and feel so at ease admitting it publicly. This is NOT acceptable under any circumstance in my opinion.

***None of this is an accusation. It just my take on the implications of the logic you are using.



Merlot

 

[evillethings]

...
Truth about who is available. At least a dozen escorts have described how owners play games in various ways:

1. Rejecting requests for ladies ready and wanting to work.

2. Refusing to give ladies work because they won't comp owners with sexual freebies.

3. Trying to upsell ladies who are not being requested.

4. Lying about pre-bookings.
...

merlot, havent forgotten about these... just trying to figure out how to incorporate them ... might just go with straight cut & paste for ease.

 

[evillethings]

ManApart, you're going to have to PM me with what happened here this afternoon. seems i've missed out on the fun while getting some air.

 

[evillethings]

Is it too much to ask for a normal, decent, non-flash, easy to read, easy to navigate website?

Seriously, I do not need flaming backgrounds - your cousin that did your site and told you that it would be cool is a moron.
We do not need zooming slideshows, nor animation, or worse, ridiculously horrid and loud music. Just simple, decent sized accurate pictures, with basic information on an easy to read, navigate and pleasant looking site.

Stop complicating it with mouseover's and gadgets, especially when you do not know something as simple as cross browser compatibility.

We are customers, please treat that way. The quicker and easier your site is to go through, the faster we will be inclined to book.

i'm 100% with you on this web site thing! not sure why owners can't figure this out. perhaps they sincerely believe there needs to be more glitz to attract to occasional hobbyists/tourists.

a plain site can still look great!
all the gadgets just make life way too difficult for hobbyists shopping around.
i like eleganza and asservissante's sites for this reason... no frills... here are the facts. come and get it!

 

[evillethings]

... So to reiterate, for me the stats are not that important, as long as they are not outrageously exaggerated (although I of course prefer the exact stats). I want clear, recent, and accurate photos from multiple angles and topless..

Siocnarf, rump and i totally support this! it's important to emphasize "recent" photos in addition to accurate. you can have accurate photos of a girl but they were only accurate 10yrs ago (see Escort Express for a good example ... Fransceska or something like that... uses super dated pix and man, saw her in a lobby a few weeks back, she looks closer to 50 than 30...).

Recent photos ... i think we all agree that within the last 3-6 months is reasonable.
365 day old photos are considered dated for regular hobbyists.

i saw lya once and didn't realize how old her xxxtase photos were until i opened to door. that session, i blame on johnmbot!

 

[ManApart]

ManApart, you're going to have to PM me with what happened here this afternoon. seems i've missed out on the fun while getting some air.

I'm not sure I know what you mean? What happened?

i saw lya once and didn't realize how old her xxxtase photos were until i opened to door. that session, i blame on johnmbot!

I really like XXXtase and I probably have the best rapport with Franky out of any booker out there, but a lot of their pics are super outdated and not very good at showing you what you are getting. The newer sets they are taking, like with Erika for example, are a big improvement.