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Is it safe to say that the Tigers pitchers were "Lights Out" yesterday and that Pete Abraham don't know shit about playoff baseball.:nod:
From this post, Joe, I guess it's safe to say that you've been following baseball for about three or four days, maybe five, so let me explain a few things to you.

1. One game determines very little.

2. Anibal Sanchez was easily the Tigers best pitcher this year with an ERA+ of 163. He was nothing short of magnificent all night. He made one mistake and got away with it. He few very few strikes and got many swings on balls out of the strike zone. Of the strikes he threw, there was one hanger all night and most were on the fringes of the strike zone. When a guy pitches like Sanchez did last night, you just tip your hat to him.

3. While PeteAbe has picked the Sox to win, unlike you, he's fully aware that anything can happen in a short series. In fact, it's not at all uncommon that the best team loses. The 1960 Yankees. The 1988 Athletics. The 1952 Dodgers. The 1969 Orioles. Just to name a few.
 

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Must be the red sox lost, eh :noidea: Turns out it was a fantastic night all around, Leafs won, sox lost. Dont get much better than that :thumb:
Is it safe to say that the Tigers pitchers were "Lights Out" yesterday and that Pete Abraham don't know shit about playoff baseball.:nod:
 

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HOW YA DOIN RUMPLES ME BOY!!!!, YOU WATCHING THE GAME:D:D:D.
I was, but figured it was time to count your football losses. Give my love to your bookie's lawn.

BTW, in the last two ALCS involving the Red Sox, they were down 3-1 to Cleveland in 2007...and down 3-0 to some other team in 2004. How'd those work out?
 

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HOW YA DOIN RUMPLES ME BOY!!!!, YOU WATCHING THE GAME:D:D:D.
Nice of you to ask, Joe my boy. Yes, I watched. Quite an enjoyable evening. You enjoy it as much as I did?
 

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HOW YA DOIN RUMPLES ME BOY!!!!, YOU WATCHING THE GAME:D:D:D.

Clay Buchholz = fraud, Is either injured or cannot be counted on when the money is on the line(playoffs).

"Methinks" the Detroit Tigers do not "fear the beards" nor the ugly faces behind them.

What a great day...Patriots and Red Sox win!!! ;) How was the game at Yankee Stadium tonight Iggy, bet it wasn't as good as the one at Fenway!
 

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That was a fluke, much like the Red Sox season. 17 innings, 1 run, 31 Strike Outs of Boston batters, and a 37-year-old (yeah he's old) hits a grand slam by a foot. It was a fluke. Detroit will continue the pitching slaughter of the Red Sox in the next 3 games Detroit.
 

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What a great day...Patriots and Red Sox win!!! ;) How was the game at Yankee Stadium tonight Iggy, bet it wasn't as good as the one at Fenway!

You don't know how lucky they were. I wouldn't get used to it. Next 3 are at Tigers Stadium.
 

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Methinks someone just poured Salty in poor DD's wounds.:lol:

You don't know how lucky they were.
Absolutely. They were VERY VERY lucky that the Twins non-tendered David Ortiz two Boston World Championships ago.
 

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Must be the red sox won, eh? .....I was too busy watching America's Team destroy the skins in Big D.
What a great day...Patriots and Red Sox win!!! ;) How was the game at Yankee Stadium tonight Iggy, bet it wasn't as good as the one at Fenway!
 

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Must be the red sox won, eh? .....I was too busy watching America's Team destroy the skins in Big D.
Too bad poor Joe didn't pick them. He's got a lot of laundry to fold at his bookie's tomorrow.
 

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Must be the red sox won, eh? .....I was too busy watching America's Team destroy the skins in Big D.

You mean Romo didn't choke AGAIN for the umpteenth time in his horrendous suck career??? He should take lessons from Brady.
 

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Today's fun fact: The Detroit Tigers stole the fewest bases of all MLB teams this year with 35. Baseball's winningest team, the Boston Flukes™, while fourth in baseball with 123, had the highest success rate (86.5%) in over 50 years.

Today's quick quiz: how many defensive fuck-ups did the Detroit Tigers legendary pitiful defense commit over the course of two batters in the ninth inning of Sunday nights game?

Answer: 5

1. I suppose Miguel Cabrera's inability to field a ball that would have been handled by 29 other MLB third baseman is not technically a fuck-up, unless you consider it Leyland's letting him attempt to play the position.
2. Jose Iglesias, having fielded a ball that should have been Cabrera's, then ill-advisedly threw the ball away.
3. Prince Fielder was unable to prevent Jose Iglesias' throw from going into the Red Sox dugout, donating second base to Jonny Gomes.
4. Prince Fielder dropped a routine pop fly, allowing Jarrod Saltalamacchia another chance to end the game.
5. Alex Avila was unable to block Rick Porcello's wild pitch, allowing Jonny Gomes to get to third base with the winning run and no out.

The Sox scored the winning run on two ground balls that should have been outs. Gomes hit a routine ground ball that should have been out number one. Salty ended the game on a ground ball that was a base hit only because the Tigers shoddy fielding forced them to play the infield in.
 

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Interesting piece by Craig Calcaterra, a fine writer married to a Detroit Tiger fan. The poor woman is, unlike a certain poster whose entire existence revolves around hating what I like, an RBH (reality based human) who is struck with terror every time Jim Leyland points to the bullpen.

The David Ortiz home run through the eyes of a Tigers fan: a play in one act

The scene: the Calcaterra fortified compound during last night’s Tigers-Red Sox game. The lady of the house is a Tigers fan. She is enjoying some bourbon. She is also enjoying the Tigers’ 5-1 lead over the Red Sox.

But she is only enjoying it so much. For the bottom of the eighth inning is beginning and the bullpen is coming on. She has watched over 100 Tigers games from her current position on the couch this year. Approximately zero of them which involved the bullpen in anything approaching a stressful situation were truly enjoyable.

I, as a person who doesn’t have a deep rooting interest in this game and as a person who skews optimistic, make a mostly dispassionate observation about how, whatever the bullpen’s shortcomings, a 5-1 lead with two innings to go against a team who has looked lost at the plate seems at least moderately safe. It is met with a more-than-moderate sigh. I mistake this for pessimism. It turns out to be cold, hard realism.

Snapshots as the evening wears on:

[Eighth inning starts, Jose Veras comes in for Max Scherzer]

“Here we go.”

[Will Middlebrooks doubles]

“Can you get me a refill?”

[Alleged lefty specialist Drew Smyly walks left Jacoby Ellsbury]

“You had ONE JOB!” [takes drink].

At this point Al Alburquerque comes in and strikes out Shane Victorino. I look to my right to see if this has encouraged her. There is no sign of encouragement.

At this point Al Alburquerque allows a single to Dustin Pedroia to load the bases. I look to my right. I expect anger and/or anxiety and/or distress on her part. But there is none. She has already skipped over three or four stages of grief and seems to be in full acceptance mode already. Acceptance of some disaster which hasn’t even happened yet and, hey, may not actually happen. But acceptance is unmistakeable. It lasts throughout the entire pitching change.

[David Ortiz steps to the plate to face Joaquin Benoit]

“Just walk him,” she says. “He should just walk in a run and pitch to the next guy.”

[David Ortiz hits a grand slam]

She calmly picks up her iPad, hands me the remainder of her drink to finish and walks upstairs. I don’t ask why she is walking away from a tie game. She has traveled into the future already. She has done so by remembering the past and knowing full well this Tigers team she follows. And knowing this Boston team pretty well too. She is as certain of the outcome of this game as she is her name, her address and her social security number.

I hear her washing her face and getting ready for bed. A few minutes later Jarrod Saltalamacchia singles in the winning run. I call upstairs to let her know what happened and that the game is over. I may as well be telling her what she had for breakfast today. She knows.

I go upstairs, brush my teeth and get into bed, thinking how amazing baseball can be and how, as has happened so many times in my life, I just witnessed something that some people will remember for the rest of theirs.
 

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If the Detroit Tigers win the World Series, they'll be the worst fielding time in history to do so. (Warning to you know who: this article contains facts. Tread carefully.)

Does Defense Even Matter Anymore?
By BRIAN COSTA and DANIEL BARBARISI, Wall Street Journal

DETROIT—In their quest to win the World Series, the Detroit Tigers are also conducting something of an experiment. It involves burly sluggers, inert infielders, aging outfielders and dominant pitchers. And it is testing a central question: In an era of soaring strikeout rates, just how bad can a championship defense be?

If the Tigers win it all this year—they're tied 1-1 with the Boston Red Sox heading into Tuesday's Game 3 of the American League Championship Series (Tue. 4 p.m., Fox)—they would be possibly the worst defensive team ever to win the World Series. Or at least in nearly a century.

The Tigers converted just 69.4% of batted balls into outs during the regular season, which ranked just 27th in the majors, according to Stats LLC. Since 1921, the earliest year for which such data is available, no team has ever won the World Series with a defensive efficiency as low as Detroit's.

Yet the Tigers allowed fewer runs this season than all but six teams. They won 93 games, and they need just three more wins to reach the World Series for the second straight year.

That is partly because, in sacrificing fielding for hitting ability, the Tigers wound up with baseball's second-highest scoring offense (after the Red Sox). But it is largely because they have found a simple remedy for a lumbering defense: Just don't let opponents put the ball in play.

The Tigers set a single-season major-league record by striking out 1,428 batters this year. As a result, they saw only 25.05 balls in play against them per game, the eighth-lowest rate in major-league history.

"When you have pitchers like we have, you're not on the field too long," said Tigers infield coach Rafael Belliard. "So it helps a lot with your defense, because when you're in the field too long, that's when you get in trouble."

At times, the biggest challenge for their fielders has been staying awake. During the first two games of the ALCS, the Red Sox struck out 32 times in 59 at-bats.

"Playing behind those guys, it's boring," Tigers right fielder Torii Hunter said. "I don't get any balls—the easy, can-of-corn fly ball, anything like that."

The Tigers' defense is a casualty they accepted while assembling one of baseball's most fearsome lineups. When they signed Prince Fielder to a nine-year, $214 million contract before last season, they knew they were getting a formidable slugger and below-average first baseman. But as a result of that deal, they also moved Miguel Cabrera—another pre-eminent hitter and sluggish defender—from first base to third.

According to Baseball Info Solutions, Cabrera and Fielder have combined to cost the Tigers 31 runs this year relative to an average fielder. And they aren't the only holes: Even Hunter—a nine-time Gold Glove award winner, albeit one who's 37—cost them 10 runs.

The best the Tigers can say is they cut their number of errors to 76 in 2013 from 99 in 2012. "It's something that we've worked at, the routine plays," Belliard said.

Manager Jim Leyland also has prioritized offense in some of his lineup decisions, like starting Jhonny Peralta at shortstop and in left field in recent games over better defensive options.

"These perfect players that everybody thinks exists, there's not that many of them out there," Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski said. "So you can say, OK, when it comes down to it, do you want more defense at shortstop, do you want more offense or do you want the combination?"

Because their pitchers are so prolific at missing bats, the Tigers are able to choose the second option—more offense—while paying less of a price than would historically be expected.

The high strikeout totals aren't necessarily by design, but rather a byproduct of elite, power pitching. Opposing hitters whiffed at 10.7% of pitches thrown by the Tigers this year, according to the statistical website FanGraphs, the highest rate in the majors.

"We just have a whole team full of guys with great stuff," said Justin Verlander, who will start Game 3. "I think that's why you saw us set the strikeout record. It's not like we're going out there and competing for who strikes out the most guys. It just happens to go like that."

Still, strikeouts aren't just a luxury for the Tigers—they're a necessity. That was evident in the ninth inning of Game 2 on Sunday, when several Tigers defensive gaffes led to a maddening 6-5 series-tying loss.

First, Cabrera—who has been further slowed by injuries—couldn't reach a routine grounder by Jonny Gomes to third. Because of that, shortstop Jose Iglesias—who actually is a fine fielder—fielded the ball behind him and rushed the throw to first. The throw bounced by Fielder and into the stands, putting Gomes on second base.

Still with us? Fielder then failed to catch a foul pop-up near the stands by Jarrod Saltalamacchia. Given a second chance, Saltalamacchia won the game on a ground-ball single—which glanced off Iglesias's glove and into left field.

"We let one get away," Leyland said.

Just as the Tigers' slugging prowess comes at the cost of defense, their strikeout rate comes at the expense of efficiency. Tigers pitchers threw 3.93 pitches per plate appearance this year, the most in the majors. And while the excellence of their starters has made them highly durable in general, Anibal Sanchez lasted just six innings Saturday while striking out 12 batters and not allowing a hit.

Tigers pitching coach Jeff Jones said the only alternative would be to try to pitch to contact more. That isn't a sound idea, given their defense. So if the Tigers need to sacrifice efficiency to keep the ball out of play, it is a trade-off they're happy to make.

"As long as we win the game," Jones said, "you're willing to trade off anything."
 

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Craig Calcaterra:...whatever the bullpen’s shortcomings, a 5-1 lead with two innings to go against a team who has looked lost at the plate seems at least moderately safe. It is met with a more-than-moderate sigh. I mistake this for pessimism. It turns out to be cold, hard realism.

The Red Sox hitters have largely looked pathetic for long stretches against the Tigers starters. However, anyone who say's the Red Sox victory was luck is being self-serving with obviously jealously biased motives. It's particularly hypocritical among Yankees fans whose team was in a pathetic lack of runs producing mode all year and often had to survive off of their closer. Bullpens have been critical to the game for a very long time. The stature of Mariano Rivera alone, who probably will be one of the very rare unanimous Hall of Famers as long as it exists, speaks to the critical importance of relief work. If the Tigers can overwhelmingly dominate a team for 7 innings, then collapse suddenly because their relief is inadequate, then it's the Tigers who fail as a T-E-A-M. Luck has nothing to do with exploiting that big weakness. It's skill to seize the opportunity when it comes, just as it's skillful TEAMWORK, not luck, to have the greatest closer of all time.

Put that in your golf bags Yankees fans. :D

Cheers,

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Another fluke.That makes 102 flukes this year. And the Magic Number is 6.
 
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