2019 Canadian federal election
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Election Monday
Today's the big day. Will it be Trudeau's Liberals or Scheer's Conservatives?
My prediction: The Liberals will squeak in and get a minority government. The NDP, Bloc & Green will support the new government since they'll want to keep it in power for as long as possible considering the costs involved in running an election, chosing new party leaders, etc. But most importantly to keep the Conservatives away at all costs considering the #1 item on the Conservatives' agenda is to do away with issues & taxes related to climate change.
If my prediction is wrong and the Conservatives manage to squeak in for a minority government then i predict it won't stay very long in power and a new election will be called for the simple reason that the other parties don't have much in common with them and especially the issue in regards to climate change. The Conservatives will literally be unable to govern and a new election will happen within a year from now.
I doubt the Liberals can obtain a majority government but it could still happen. Were this to occur then Andrew Scheer will be out as Conservative leader. Were the Liberals to win by a whisker then Scheer will be hard to take out since he'll refuse to step down thinking he can win the next election. As for the NDP & the Green who knows. My gut-feeling tells me their leaders will hang on for at least another election. As for the Bloc their leader Yves-Francois Blanchet performed admirably & beyond expectations throughout this election campaign. He's opened many eyes and that's why the Bloc has regained new life in Quebec.
Today's the big day. Will it be Trudeau's Liberals or Scheer's Conservatives?
My prediction: The Liberals will squeak in and get a minority government. The NDP, Bloc & Green will support the new government since they'll want to keep it in power for as long as possible considering the costs involved in running an election, chosing new party leaders, etc. But most importantly to keep the Conservatives away at all costs considering the #1 item on the Conservatives' agenda is to do away with issues & taxes related to climate change.
If my prediction is wrong and the Conservatives manage to squeak in for a minority government then i predict it won't stay very long in power and a new election will be called for the simple reason that the other parties don't have much in common with them and especially the issue in regards to climate change. The Conservatives will literally be unable to govern and a new election will happen within a year from now.
I doubt the Liberals can obtain a majority government but it could still happen. Were this to occur then Andrew Scheer will be out as Conservative leader. Were the Liberals to win by a whisker then Scheer will be hard to take out since he'll refuse to step down thinking he can win the next election. As for the NDP & the Green who knows. My gut-feeling tells me their leaders will hang on for at least another election. As for the Bloc their leader Yves-Francois Blanchet performed admirably & beyond expectations throughout this election campaign. He's opened many eyes and that's why the Bloc has regained new life in Quebec.
I like this one.. I'll post too. for those that are "undecided"
"Someone who voted early posted this on FB to explain why he did not vote Liberal (Trudeau). You might want to consider the points he has made here before you vote Monday.
Mr. Trudeau,
Things I considered before I voted:
Your minister of finance engaged in insider trading. Also forgot about his villa in France.
You blew the Asia Pacific deal.
You blew the helicopter deal with the Philippines.
You blew the deal with China.
You blew the deal with Europe.
You invited "irregular" immigration and the taxpayer foots the enormous bill for it.
At the G7 you pledged $400 million to Education around the world along with another $180 million to the Global Partnership for Education in Europe. None of it is going to fix our messed up school systems here at home. Meanwhile education costs are skyrocketing for our youth making university a mountain too high for many to climb.
You pledged $241 million to Family Planning around the world including a $20 million donation to the Bill and Hillary Clinton Foundation (because they have integrity!). This all happened while you told vets that they were asking too much.
You pledged $2.65 billion to climate change at the Commonwealth Leaders Summit and now you’re trying to bully the provinces into new taxes to pay for this pledge.
You pledged $300 million to the Rohingya Refugee crisis while we have a refugee crisis of our own flooding into Quebec that you won't address.
You pledged $125 million to Caribbean Reconstruction while our own infrastructure in cities is falling apart.
You pledged $650 million to Sexual and Reproductive health in Haiti and around the globe wanting safer abortions for woman while many women in our own country are left without a family doctor.
You pledged $840 million to Syria for Humanitarian Assistance when half the native reserves in our country don't have clean drinking water.
You gave $10.5 million to a convicted...CONVICTED terrorist in a backroom deal. You intentionally paid it out in a way that prevented the widow of the killed soldier from pursuing it.
You spent $4.5 billion on a 65 year old pipeline, and now the courts have ruled it shut down. Now it's back on (at a delay cost of $250 million) - good investment for Canada you said? (And KM uses that money to build a pipeline in Texas)
You pressured Jody Wilson Raybould repeatedly & INAPPROPRIATELY with several different high ranking officials to offer SNC Lavalin a DPA instead of prosecution for repeated & sustained corruption AFTER the former AG had determined they were ineligible for such a deal. You lied about the above having ever taken place. Then you obstructed the investigation into this obstruction of justice and prevented the RCMP from investigating!
You replaced Canada’s old F-18s with Australia’s old F-18s.
Your bizarre love of all things Castro.
You imposed tough regulations and taxes on oil from Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland but not oil from Saudi Arabia. Every new project has to undergo strict environmental assessments...except cement plants in Quebec.
You said that a proposed pipeline must consider “the intersection of sex and gender with other identity factors” (what does that even mean???)
You chase foreign companies (and their investment capital) out of the country like they have the plague.
You chased our WW1 soldiers out of our national anthem... lest we forget.
You called small business owners “tax cheats”.
People voice concern over money spent on illegal immigration and you call them intolerant racists.
We have an equalization program, but you give half of it to one province.
You spent $8 million on a temporary skating rink (vanity project) when Canada's largest skating rink is 500 meters away.
You added tens of billions to the national debt while lying to Canada's face about it. Balance the budget in 2019? Now we’re looking at 2040, if ever.
You groped a woman and when caught and said she experienced it differently.
You elbowed a female MP while dragging another MP by the arm in a petulant fit.
Peoplekind? (international embarrassment)
You got India to invest $250 million in Canada but we have to invest $750 million in India first.
You said returning terrorists will be an extraordinarily powerful voice for Canada.
You fought to let terrorists keep their Canadian citizenship.
You spent $212,234 on artwork for the cover of the 2017 budget report.
You spent upwards to $348,000 on food and alcohol in five flights on our government’s plane. On your G20 trip to Argentina, you spent $103,000 on food and alcohol alone. How is that even possible?
You gave Canadian taxpayers' money to Hamas.
You voice outrage over fake racist attacks and say nothing about real terrorist attacks.
You took 10 vacations in a single year. Who does this?
You spent a little over $1.5 million on the trip to India that did nothing but worsen ties. Plus paid over $17,000 to bring an Indian chef to India to cook Indian cuisine. And to top it off, invited a convicted attempted murderer to diner and posed for pics with him.
And you’re the only PM convicted of ethics violations. (multiple times in fact).
You destroyed the career of one of Canada’s honest military leaders to cover up possible massive corruption in ship building contracts.
You invited Joshua Boyle, an alleged perpetrator of sexual assault and unlawful confinement of his wife for a photoshoot in the Office of The Prime Minister.
You threaten to sue the leader of the opposition then chicken out when you realized that your alleged crimes will be exposed in court when he didn’t change his allegations.
You offer over $600 million dollars in subsidies to failing mainstream media outlets if they can prove to be trustworthy. You put a union who vows to destroy your opposition in charge of selecting these new “trusted” sources to receive funding. You could school the Russians in election interference.
You pay off your friends to engage in election ads for you and get Elections Canada to pay for it.
$13 million to Loblaws for new refrigerators.
You made public statements of deep admiration for Chinese communism.
You wore preposterous, inappropriate costumes during a state visit to India, paid for by Canadians.
Almost $13 billion in promises right before calling the election.
Blackface 3 times and you won’t say if there were more occasions. Wow.
What moral, functioning Canadian human could possible justify voting for you?
"Someone who voted early posted this on FB to explain why he did not vote Liberal (Trudeau). You might want to consider the points he has made here before you vote Monday.
Mr. Trudeau,
Things I considered before I voted:
Your minister of finance engaged in insider trading. Also forgot about his villa in France.
You blew the Asia Pacific deal.
You blew the helicopter deal with the Philippines.
You blew the deal with China.
You blew the deal with Europe.
You invited "irregular" immigration and the taxpayer foots the enormous bill for it.
At the G7 you pledged $400 million to Education around the world along with another $180 million to the Global Partnership for Education in Europe. None of it is going to fix our messed up school systems here at home. Meanwhile education costs are skyrocketing for our youth making university a mountain too high for many to climb.
You pledged $241 million to Family Planning around the world including a $20 million donation to the Bill and Hillary Clinton Foundation (because they have integrity!). This all happened while you told vets that they were asking too much.
You pledged $2.65 billion to climate change at the Commonwealth Leaders Summit and now you’re trying to bully the provinces into new taxes to pay for this pledge.
You pledged $300 million to the Rohingya Refugee crisis while we have a refugee crisis of our own flooding into Quebec that you won't address.
You pledged $125 million to Caribbean Reconstruction while our own infrastructure in cities is falling apart.
You pledged $650 million to Sexual and Reproductive health in Haiti and around the globe wanting safer abortions for woman while many women in our own country are left without a family doctor.
You pledged $840 million to Syria for Humanitarian Assistance when half the native reserves in our country don't have clean drinking water.
You gave $10.5 million to a convicted...CONVICTED terrorist in a backroom deal. You intentionally paid it out in a way that prevented the widow of the killed soldier from pursuing it.
You spent $4.5 billion on a 65 year old pipeline, and now the courts have ruled it shut down. Now it's back on (at a delay cost of $250 million) - good investment for Canada you said? (And KM uses that money to build a pipeline in Texas)
You pressured Jody Wilson Raybould repeatedly & INAPPROPRIATELY with several different high ranking officials to offer SNC Lavalin a DPA instead of prosecution for repeated & sustained corruption AFTER the former AG had determined they were ineligible for such a deal. You lied about the above having ever taken place. Then you obstructed the investigation into this obstruction of justice and prevented the RCMP from investigating!
You replaced Canada’s old F-18s with Australia’s old F-18s.
Your bizarre love of all things Castro.
You imposed tough regulations and taxes on oil from Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland but not oil from Saudi Arabia. Every new project has to undergo strict environmental assessments...except cement plants in Quebec.
You said that a proposed pipeline must consider “the intersection of sex and gender with other identity factors” (what does that even mean???)
You chase foreign companies (and their investment capital) out of the country like they have the plague.
You chased our WW1 soldiers out of our national anthem... lest we forget.
You called small business owners “tax cheats”.
People voice concern over money spent on illegal immigration and you call them intolerant racists.
We have an equalization program, but you give half of it to one province.
You spent $8 million on a temporary skating rink (vanity project) when Canada's largest skating rink is 500 meters away.
You added tens of billions to the national debt while lying to Canada's face about it. Balance the budget in 2019? Now we’re looking at 2040, if ever.
You groped a woman and when caught and said she experienced it differently.
You elbowed a female MP while dragging another MP by the arm in a petulant fit.
Peoplekind? (international embarrassment)
You got India to invest $250 million in Canada but we have to invest $750 million in India first.
You said returning terrorists will be an extraordinarily powerful voice for Canada.
You fought to let terrorists keep their Canadian citizenship.
You spent $212,234 on artwork for the cover of the 2017 budget report.
You spent upwards to $348,000 on food and alcohol in five flights on our government’s plane. On your G20 trip to Argentina, you spent $103,000 on food and alcohol alone. How is that even possible?
You gave Canadian taxpayers' money to Hamas.
You voice outrage over fake racist attacks and say nothing about real terrorist attacks.
You took 10 vacations in a single year. Who does this?
You spent a little over $1.5 million on the trip to India that did nothing but worsen ties. Plus paid over $17,000 to bring an Indian chef to India to cook Indian cuisine. And to top it off, invited a convicted attempted murderer to diner and posed for pics with him.
And you’re the only PM convicted of ethics violations. (multiple times in fact).
You destroyed the career of one of Canada’s honest military leaders to cover up possible massive corruption in ship building contracts.
You invited Joshua Boyle, an alleged perpetrator of sexual assault and unlawful confinement of his wife for a photoshoot in the Office of The Prime Minister.
You threaten to sue the leader of the opposition then chicken out when you realized that your alleged crimes will be exposed in court when he didn’t change his allegations.
You offer over $600 million dollars in subsidies to failing mainstream media outlets if they can prove to be trustworthy. You put a union who vows to destroy your opposition in charge of selecting these new “trusted” sources to receive funding. You could school the Russians in election interference.
You pay off your friends to engage in election ads for you and get Elections Canada to pay for it.
$13 million to Loblaws for new refrigerators.
You made public statements of deep admiration for Chinese communism.
You wore preposterous, inappropriate costumes during a state visit to India, paid for by Canadians.
Almost $13 billion in promises right before calling the election.
Blackface 3 times and you won’t say if there were more occasions. Wow.
What moral, functioning Canadian human could possible justify voting for you?
^^^
Damn STN that’s a pretty long list
If Sheer gets elected I’m sure he will compile a similar one
Sadly they BOTH suck moose balls
Canada is a great country and a very rich one at that
But I’ve come to the realization that they are as corrupt as any third world country unfortunately
Damn STN that’s a pretty long list
If Sheer gets elected I’m sure he will compile a similar one
Sadly they BOTH suck moose balls
Canada is a great country and a very rich one at that
But I’ve come to the realization that they are as corrupt as any third world country unfortunately
^^^^ You probably will not even vote. Easy to see you do not follow politics, just rant and follow reddit or twitter posts.
It's being widely reported that robocalls were sent giving the wrong date for the election to apparently deter some voters from voting. Did these robocalls originate from within Canada, or from Russia? Who is responsible? What voters were targeted by the robocalls?
Well a sad day for western Canada. I can always use Doc's theory saying the Conservatives won because they won the popular vote but that would be wrong, they lost. Yes most Canadians voted for Scheer but the election is set up for the east to win.
At least it is a minority and now we can get real answers to the Trudeau scandals and he can no longer block RCMP investigations.
At least it is a minority and now we can get real answers to the Trudeau scandals and he can no longer block RCMP investigations.
Actually if you look at the results the Conservatives took seats away from the Liberals in BC, the Conservatives did gain seats there.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/british-columbia/2019/10/21/1_4648852.html
It was Ontario and east who voted Liberal. If there is a divide it is on the Ontario Manitoba border.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/british-columbia/2019/10/21/1_4648852.html
It was Ontario and east who voted Liberal. If there is a divide it is on the Ontario Manitoba border.
The election results show it's more a rural vs urban problem then east vs west.
But as i predicted it would likely be a minority Liberal government i was correct. But in my opinion they did even better than i suspected. They were only 13 seats from a majority and the difference was how the Bloc over performed in Quebec, taking away seats from both the Liberals and the NDP.
But Scheer and the Conservatives only have themselves to blame for this loss. They were at one time leading in the polls and looked nearly unbeatable. But they blew it with their politics of divisiveness, fear & blatant lying about the opposition. Canadians are not like many Americans and won't fall for those dirty tactics. Canadians are considerably more informed about the issues involved than Americans are. And Canadians aren't as fooled by the media as many Americans are. For example, my favorite newspaper to read is the Toronto Sun. However i'm quite aware that they've been in bed with the Conservatives for as long as i can remember and i'm quite aware it's no big surprise why they consistently bash Trudeau and the Liberals non-stop while praising Andrew Scheer and the Conservatives. That's how the media works. They support a party and a propaganda campaign ensues. But i'm intelligent enough to realize this and won't allow it to change my opinion even if i keep reading it.
The Conservatives need to learn that to win a federal election they absolutely need to broaden their base instead of only catering to the voters they already have. In this country voters take climate change seriously. Running against climate change is a no-no in Canada. It turns people off. Add to this the anti-immigrant and anti-gay bullshit. You won't broaden your base with this crap. Politics of divisiveness needs to disappear if a party is serious about winning an election. This isn't the United States of America, after all.
Trudeau took a lot of hits over the past couple of years and also had his share of scandals, some made-up and some more serious. But through all this he still managed to win and nearly got a majority were it not for the Bloc's great performance in Quebec. The Conservatives also need to be more transparent and chose better leaders than Andrew Scheer. It's no surprise his polls starting going down after people learned he also holds an American passport. The fact he was never an insurance agent as he claimed (he was an office secretary) also considerably hurt his credibility. If the fact he holds dual citizenship is no big deal then why did he & the Conservatives go out of their way to hide it? Bad optics.
The election turned out exactly like i had predicted and although the Liberals didn't get a majority Justin Trudeau is still the Prime Minister. But he'll need the NDP and other parties in order to get his bills passed. But at least we're not stuck with Andrew Scheer as PM. This would have been disastrous for the country and for people like me who care about the environment.
Look, i do get why westerners feel they're getting shafted and i feel their discontent with eastern Canada. But next time just elect better people to lead your party.
But as i predicted it would likely be a minority Liberal government i was correct. But in my opinion they did even better than i suspected. They were only 13 seats from a majority and the difference was how the Bloc over performed in Quebec, taking away seats from both the Liberals and the NDP.
But Scheer and the Conservatives only have themselves to blame for this loss. They were at one time leading in the polls and looked nearly unbeatable. But they blew it with their politics of divisiveness, fear & blatant lying about the opposition. Canadians are not like many Americans and won't fall for those dirty tactics. Canadians are considerably more informed about the issues involved than Americans are. And Canadians aren't as fooled by the media as many Americans are. For example, my favorite newspaper to read is the Toronto Sun. However i'm quite aware that they've been in bed with the Conservatives for as long as i can remember and i'm quite aware it's no big surprise why they consistently bash Trudeau and the Liberals non-stop while praising Andrew Scheer and the Conservatives. That's how the media works. They support a party and a propaganda campaign ensues. But i'm intelligent enough to realize this and won't allow it to change my opinion even if i keep reading it.
The Conservatives need to learn that to win a federal election they absolutely need to broaden their base instead of only catering to the voters they already have. In this country voters take climate change seriously. Running against climate change is a no-no in Canada. It turns people off. Add to this the anti-immigrant and anti-gay bullshit. You won't broaden your base with this crap. Politics of divisiveness needs to disappear if a party is serious about winning an election. This isn't the United States of America, after all.
Trudeau took a lot of hits over the past couple of years and also had his share of scandals, some made-up and some more serious. But through all this he still managed to win and nearly got a majority were it not for the Bloc's great performance in Quebec. The Conservatives also need to be more transparent and chose better leaders than Andrew Scheer. It's no surprise his polls starting going down after people learned he also holds an American passport. The fact he was never an insurance agent as he claimed (he was an office secretary) also considerably hurt his credibility. If the fact he holds dual citizenship is no big deal then why did he & the Conservatives go out of their way to hide it? Bad optics.
The election turned out exactly like i had predicted and although the Liberals didn't get a majority Justin Trudeau is still the Prime Minister. But he'll need the NDP and other parties in order to get his bills passed. But at least we're not stuck with Andrew Scheer as PM. This would have been disastrous for the country and for people like me who care about the environment.
Look, i do get why westerners feel they're getting shafted and i feel their discontent with eastern Canada. But next time just elect better people to lead your party.
From this election I can see Canada splintering. B.C. will become an independent socialist state. Alberta Sask. and Manitoba will join the States. Ontario will stand alone as Canada. Quebec will be an independent state with its economy dependent on cute escorts and the export of poutine to China. The Territories will join Alaska as the true North and free.. The Maritimes will try to join the States except Newfoundland which will join Poland.
Cloudsurf,
The only Canadian provinces that really have much in common are Saskatchewan and Manitoba. I could see those two provinces joining and forming the new nation of Saskitoba, while all other provinces secede and become independent nation-states. The only one of them desirable to the US for statehood would likely be Alberta, so that it’s oil fields can become a national resource.
The only Canadian provinces that really have much in common are Saskatchewan and Manitoba. I could see those two provinces joining and forming the new nation of Saskitoba, while all other provinces secede and become independent nation-states. The only one of them desirable to the US for statehood would likely be Alberta, so that it’s oil fields can become a national resource.
My post was meant as a joke but then I forgot that you take everything so seriously.
Don`t you think that B.C. would be the greatest prize for the US. Not only does it have huge natural resources and a long coastline, but it would give mainland States a land link to Alaska
Don`t you think that B.C. would be the greatest prize for the US. Not only does it have huge natural resources and a long coastline, but it would give mainland States a land link to Alaska
To Doc.
With you claiming that Hillary won the election does that go for Scheer also. The 22 seats Trudeau lost was the 22 seats Scheer won.
You BS about transparency with Trudeau being the worst in history, he blocks his pawns from speaking, if they do he kicks them out, he blocks RCMP investigations. As for the carbon tax, serious, you actually think that it will do anything to alter climate change?
I do understand you are not an idiot and perhaps intelligent but your political and economic knowledge is below par.
You complain about Hillary getting ripped of because she got the most votes but it is fine when reversed here. Show a little creditability here.
With you claiming that Hillary won the election does that go for Scheer also. The 22 seats Trudeau lost was the 22 seats Scheer won.
You BS about transparency with Trudeau being the worst in history, he blocks his pawns from speaking, if they do he kicks them out, he blocks RCMP investigations. As for the carbon tax, serious, you actually think that it will do anything to alter climate change?
I do understand you are not an idiot and perhaps intelligent but your political and economic knowledge is below par.
You complain about Hillary getting ripped of because she got the most votes but it is fine when reversed here. Show a little creditability here.
Indeed. Or, as young Justin put it in his brilliant speech, "We will always put this country and its people first!" No Trumpet on Earth would be smart enough to come up with such a phrase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5ahUcxsEjk (at 9:10)
^^^^^ What a bunch of horse shit. From coast to coast, after Ontario he tanked. Tighten your belts, it will cost more to live in Canada now in the name of Climate Change.
