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Datreides

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I'm an immigrant here to Canada and can promise you all that we need less immigrants. Reduce all immigration. All of then. Legal or illegal. Doesn't matter.
Instead, increase your birth rates, integrate my people as best you can, and pray that it's enough.
None of your pensions will matter if my people take over.
 

No_Church_InThe_Wild

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Why do they call them October“Surprises”when outing your opponents dirty laundry just before the elections to influence public opinion is so predictable ? ... :lol: the media doing the politicians dirty work as usual and the back and forth mud slinging circus continues from both sides , but I stopped paying attention... the truth is almost always GREY

@ Datreides . First post in two years and as an immigrant yourself your suggesting we deny that same opportunity to future immigrants ? If your people take over our pensions won’t matter? :confused: I’m working on increasing our birth rates but a bit confused about the rest . You sound a bit cryptic . Your people? Sorry Sir , care to elaborate a bit
 

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NoChurch - it is because the original October Surprise's weren't dirty laundry. They were announcing an imminent peace deal in Vietnam and the failure to get the hostages out of Iran before the election or someone getting indicted. They were big-ass things, not dirty laundry.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Scheer did not get sucked into the Trudeau/Singh/May climate alarmism rhetoric. Against claims from May on the alleged infallibility of climate science, and the alleged existential risk posed by global warming, Scheer stuck to his rational and responsible approach. His climate proposals stand in clear opposition to Trudeau’s insistence that the Liberal carbon plan to meeting extreme global emissions targets are essential and will be successful.

Setting carbon policy is an international problem that must be resolved internationally. Scheer’s anti-carbon tax stance smacks of populism, but there are also good reasons to hold off on major and costly national carbon policies until the international conflicts and disagreements are settled and formal regimes are established — if they are ever established.

Even if Canada were facing a “climate emergency” with increasing floods, wildfires and storms — as claimed by May, Trudeau and Singh — no Canadian “emergency” carbon policy, carbon tax, pipeline shutdowns can change the world climate trajectory. It would all be symbolism with no real impact. Sheer is right in noting that if China, India and other nations are increasing their use of fossil fuels, increasing their carbon emissions and raising global climate risks, it makes no sense to charge ahead as though the future of the world depended on Canada’s climate actions. The opposite is true: Canada’s climate future depends on how the rest of the world acts.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Debts and deficits

Scheer’s full platform will reveal his fiscal plan, but so far he has indicated a commitment to a balanced budget over time and claims the Conservative platform will outline a sensible path forward toward balance. All such platform fiscal plans are suspect, but at least Scheer has indicated he intends to run a prudent fiscal plan.

Class warfare

Through the debate, and in policy statements so far, Scheer has systematically avoided joining the creeping leftist push for the confiscation of the incomes and assets of the wealthy.

Trudeau talks of a need to make sure the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes (whatever that means), although at least he has in the past resisted the idea of imposing a wealth tax on Canadian billionaires and multimillionaires. Jagmeet Singh plans to raise $5 billion a year via a one per cent wealth tax. During the debate, Singh repeatedly referred to “rich and powerful corporations” and the wealthy who are “not paying their fair share.”

Looking forward, only Scheer offers the possibility that Canada’s fiscal and economic future will be free of the wealth-confiscation and other extreme policies that are gaining support in Canada and the United States. Maxime Bernier’s People’s Party of Canada also suggests it might be a safe haven for fiscal and climate conservatives, but his immigration stance and vague policy outlines are too marginal for most Canadian voters.

During the debate, Trudeau repeatedly denounced “fear-based politics” and the “politics of fear and division.” It was not clear who he was accusing of fearmongering, but it would be hard to pin that label on Scheer. On the contrary, as the debate ended, the Conservative was the only leader who did not engage in fear-based politics — over immigration, climate, wealth or any other issue.

There will be holes in the Conservative platform that will be released Friday. One of the biggest will be details regarding the plan to legislate a National Energy Corridor through which Ottawa will somehow impose national projects on provinces and regions. Should Quebec be allowed to continue to import oil, or should the province be forced to take in possibly more expensive oil from Alberta?

On the main issues of this election, however, the options are clear. Only Scheer stood out during the debate as the candidate whose platform rises above the radical and the extreme that Canada does not need.
 

CLOUD 500

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Debts and deficits

Class warfare

Through the debate, and in policy statements so far, Scheer has systematically avoided joining the creeping leftist push for the confiscation of the incomes and assets of the wealthy.

Yes the right like hierarchy and encourage social stratification. The wealthy live off the labor of the working class and exploit their employees. In the past 30 years the top 1% salaries increased exponentially while the rest has been relatively stagnant.

Trudeau talks of a need to make sure the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes (whatever that means), although at least he has in the past resisted the idea of imposing a wealth tax on Canadian billionaires and multimillionaires. Jagmeet Singh plans to raise $5 billion a year via a one per cent wealth tax. During the debate, Singh repeatedly referred to “rich and powerful corporations” and the wealthy who are “not paying their fair share.”

Yes the politicians work with the rich to serve their own self interests. You forgot about the tax evasion of Panama? The rich evade a lot of taxes and that burden falls on the middle class. The wealth tax is an excellent idea and to cut personal income taxes on the middle class. Trudeau has not done any of that.

Looking forward, only Scheer offers the possibility that Canada’s fiscal and economic future will be free of the wealth-confiscation and other extreme policies that are gaining support in Canada and the United States. Maxime Bernier’s People’s Party of Canada also suggests it might be a safe haven for fiscal and climate conservatives, but his immigration stance and vague policy outlines are too marginal for most Canadian voters.

The rich will continue to exploit the working class and live off their labor. At least Max Bernier is against corporate welfare. That has to end.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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^^^^^ Yeah, if not for my wish to get Trudeau out I may have voted for Bernier.
 

CLOUD 500

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What makes Trudeau dangerous is his open policy to mass open immigration. I said it many times that he is making the country poor. The more population, the higher the prices of rents and houses. Grocery prices go up to, commercial property prices go up. Then you get overcrowded subways and highways. Employers also get more power to underpay you and to give no benefits and part-time or on call since there are more people looking for work. All of this is bad for the ordinary person. Trudeau talks a lot but his actions proves otherwise. On the other hand I am not that much for Scheer to. I dislike the fact he is a Christian and might impose social behavior rules and cheap morality. He did admit he is prolife and also has dual citizenship. Will he tighten prostitution rules and bring FOSTA/SESTA to Canada? Will he make abortion illegal? Things I am STRONGLY against. It seems it is always the choice between the Liberals and the Conservatives. I want a third option I want the Peoples Party of Canada.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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^^^^^^ Scheer has stated he will not reopen the abortion issue. You think Trudeau's immigration stance will raise prices, what do you think his carbon tax will do. He has spent more than any Canadian PM outside a world war or recession, he has made it so the middle class has about $1,800 less disposable income.
 

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I know what he said but I am sure if the subject comes up we will know what he will do. Fighting against climate change is an important issue however I do not agree with Trudeau's methods to add a tax. The greedy corporations will just pass on the costs to the customer. Yep I stated it in my post that Trudeau talks but his actions shows otherwise.
 

Doc Holliday

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Word out of the Conservative side is that the party is already looking replacing Andrew Scheer if he ends up losing the election. One of the possible replacements would be long-time Tory Peter McKay. However McKay hasn't indicated he'd accept to take over the party should Scheer get dumped.

Right now the two parties are literally in a dead-heat with the Liberals having a minuscule lead according to the latest polls. All the dirty politics on the part of Scheer and the Conservatives doesn't seem to have hurt Trudeau's popularity with his voters. This is Canada, after all. These tactics rarely work in Canadian politics and often the reverse happens. Canadian voters REALLY hate dirty campaign tactics and often turn against the culprits.

If i had my wish it'd be Trudeau all the way for the next 10 years!! I don't trust the Conservatives and likely never will! Go Trudeau Go!! :eyebrows:
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Pollster John Wright, partner at DART, notes his is the second poll in the last 48 hours that shows the Liberals dropping below the 30% floor. A previous DART poll showed that just 25% of voters believe the Trudeau Liberals deserve re-election — now those voters that had parked their votes with Trudeau are looking at other options.

“The Liberals now have a multi-front war on their hands for voters,” Wright said.

One front is in Quebec where the Bloc has 35% pulling mostly from the Liberals but also from the Conservatives. In the rest of the country, Trudeau is losing support to a rising NDP under Jagmeet Singh.
 

Valcazar

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It wouldn't surprise me to see leadership challenges to both Trudeau and Scheer if neither can get a majority.
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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So the CBC is suing the Conservatives for using their video clips in one of their ads. The same video clips that the CBC made public by putting them on TV.
 

Doc Holliday

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On the other hand, I think Jason Kenny would be the "Perfect" choice since he looks even more repulsive, negative and lower class garbage then Scheer and he might even be more hate-able by the general public /voters, on the other hand, he will be the darling of the Albertans and the conservative worshipers.

I agree. I'd like to add that there are times i wished that Alberta would leave Canada.
 
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