A closer look at decriminalizing prostitution

[Anna Bijou]

We have very organized and vocal Radical feminist abolitionists aka SWERF supporters of the Nordic Model in Canada. They're very vocal on twitter, about sex work and anti trans attacks. A very popular website (feministcurrent dot com) was created and is run by Canadian Meghan Murphy, who is a well known SWERF/TERF who was banned by twitter, sued them and lost.

They are really awful. I can't even believe the vile shit they feel comfortable tweeting, how they treat sex workers. Many of them don't even pretend to care about sex workers. They only care about punishing men and view sex workers as traitors.

They've realized that ex-sex workers can me used as amazing weapons so they rely heavily on 'survivor stories' and coach them into adding some components to their stories for maximum shock effect (nordicmodelnow dot org).

They hate us almost as much as they hate you guys and reviews are one of their favorite way to make a point.

Invisible Men Canada

invisible-men-canada.tumblr.com

Although she's not Canadian, @EllyArrow especially loves using reviews as propaganda


SWERF: Sex worker exclusionary radical feminist (Andrea Dworkin is the OJ)
TERF: Trans exclusionary radical feminist (JK Rowlings currently their hero)

 

[2fast2slow]

that tumblr site does make us look bad....I read through them wondering if any of my reviews were cited but fortuntaly no. My posts have always been discreet and respectful.

I have often thought about some of the posts on this site sounding bad...but fortunately they are the minority. I have not read the guidelines in a while, but perhaps they need to be updated.

 

[Anna Bijou]

that tumblr site does make us look bad....I read through them wondering if any of my reviews were cited but fortuntaly no. My posts have always been discreet and respectful.

I have often thought about some of the posts on this site sounding bad...but fortunately they are the minority. I have not read the guidelines in a while, but perhaps they need to be updated.

These people literally spend hours going through reviews to find the ones the sound the worst. I don't know what's up with German review boards but the stuff she pulls out of there (she's German herself) is.. Oof..

On merb and perb (never been active on terb), there is always a small number of really distasteful and at times gross reviewers. That's the ones these women will go looking for. Unfortunately it is a sure way to shock and convince people that men need to be punished.

 

[parmenides]

These people literally spend hours going through reviews to find the ones the sound the worst. I don't know what's up with German review boards but the stuff she pulls out of there (she's German herself) is.. Oof..

On merb and perb (never been active on teen), there is always a small number of really distasteful and at times gross reviewers. That's the ones these women will go looking for. Unfortunately it is a sure way to shock and convince people that men need to be punished.

What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. Unless there's a kind of deliberate practice of self-doubt, it seems people generally look for evidence of already held beliefs. And these days there is no general truth, just your truth or my truth backed up by a consistent narrative.

 

[Anna Bijou]

What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. Unless there's a kind of deliberate practice of self-doubt, it seems people generally look for evidence of already held beliefs. And these days there is no general truth, just your truth or my truth backed up by a consistent narrative.e

100% agreed

They use a lot of manipulative tactics to make themselves seem right. Lots of faulty logic or opinion based beliefs. Appeal to someone's emotion will sideline critical thinking and they know that well.

 

[parmenides]

100% agreed

They use a lot of manipulative tactics to make themselves seem right. Lots of faulty logic or opinion based beliefs. Appeal to someone's emotion will sideline critical thinking and they know that well.

You might find this article interesting. It was written by a friend of mine. I'm unsure if I share her hope, but it is food for thought.

The New Truth

The truth is no longer a collective vision of something true that unites citizens in a shared structure of belief. The truth is now a bespoke entity that demands to be lived within, versus believed in.

return.life

 

[Mykadeau]

Supposed feminists like Ashley Judd, intellectuals like the person that wrote the treatise in the previous post, and most importantly the Ontario judicial system show us that we can’t have nice things, or legal things.

Controversial Harper-era sex work laws are constitutional, Ontario Court of Appeal rules

The federal law, which in part bans the sex work advertising, has been criticized as making it less safe to be a sex worker. On Thursday, Ontario’s top court rejected that argument.

www.thestar.com

Fight Club. That is the concept no one understands. Great book and great movie. Life must be compartmentalized and groups of like-minded people should quietly live and conduct their affairs outside the view of those who disagree with their viewpoint. The echo chamber of social media keeps too many from understanding the truth of that basic concept.

Belgium is the first contry to accept; https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2022/03...s-deurope-a-decriminaliser-le-travail-du-sexe

 

[2fast2slow]

Belgium is the first contry to accept; https://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2022/03...s-deurope-a-decriminaliser-le-travail-du-sexe

i dont understand...is not already decriminilized in the Netherlands (and possible germany)

 

[Anna Bijou]

i dont understand...is not already decriminilized in the Netherlands (and possible germany)

It's legalized.

Difference between legalization and decriminalization.

Sex workers want decrim.

What About Legalization of Prostitution?

This video explains the legalization of prostitution, explores the pros and cons, and reveals why decriminalization is the only solution.

decriminalizesex.work

This is a great talk:

 

[2fast2slow]

It's legalized.

Difference between legalization and decriminalization.

Sex workers want decrim.

What About Legalization of Prostitution?

This video explains the legalization of prostitution, explores the pros and cons, and reveals why decriminalization is the only solution.

decriminalizesex.work

This is a great talk:

then the headline was misleading

 

[CLOUD 500]

The worldwide media, which consists of Simpletons in every country, likes to put complicated things into boxes, like the way a small child will put certain things into a circular storage container and other things into a rectangular box.

In this simple system, Germany and the Netherlands are generally viewed as regulated systems because in theory the women work legally in brothels, FKKs and in designated red-light districts that are licensed by the government.. This conveniently ignores the many escorts who work outside that system after the invention of the smartphone and the internet. Germany opened its registration system to them, but the participation is very low. During Covid, it was suspected, although not conclusively proven, that while the FKKs and brothels were closed by the government, many escorts used their smart phones and internet connections to move about freely and do sex work behind closed doors. Hopefully the government doesn’t know this, or its mind might be blown.

Belgium extended certain rights to sex workers via statutes and regulations. The media decided to call Belgium a decriminalized system, in spite of the fact that the rights they are discussing come from … Regulations.

Fortunately the media never tries to discuss Canada - Illegal, but with an exemption from prosecution for the independent seller and those providing direct services to that direct seller, and a police non enforcement policy for direct buyers (as long as the seller is 18 or over and no force is used) in the direct metro (not suburbs) of Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver. All now more complicated by a continuing legal case that may, or may not, have relevance outside of Ontario. Mind blown on that one, not just with respect to Simpletons in the media.

In Canada they should just leave it alone. We do not want to end up with a legalized system where it would become regulated. Imagine if it were we would be under government restrictions in the name of protection like CBJ only for example. Taxes would apply and licensing requirements all that would add red tape and pass on the costs to the customer. And more then that government covid lockdowns and covid mandates would have applied to agencies. Right now because it is on the low we were able to continue to enjoy the escorts. Imagine forced masks during a sex meeting.

 

[CLOUD 500]

Amazing how different the approaches are in these two countries.

Say NO to Increased Criminalisation in Sweden!

www.eswalliance.org

Victorian sex industry reforms celebrated as a win for workers, but some say more needs to be done in regions

The suite of reforms includes removing penalties for people participating in street-based work, and repealing a register that contains details of independent workers.

www.abc.net.au

Sweden is the feminist capital of the world. Poor men that have to endure being dominated, castrated, and labelled as predators as we see in the approach of that country.

 

[2fast2slow]

this may be a dumb comment, but damn sometimes i feel blessed to live in montreal

 

[Anna Bijou]

I think this lady wrote a fine thesis.

https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1327&context=philosophy_theses

But, I don’t think she is able to really give any thought to the practical difficulties of making sex work the only business in the U.S. that would be unregulated and unlicensed, which would be the case if decriminalization occurs. People in the philosophy department often just don’t have a background to do so.

It would be great if it happened. Hell, forget sex entirely. Most of us would get hard, or wet, instantly if we saw the damn government and/or the court system leave any industry alone. But it ain’t going to happen in North America.

Why wouldn't it happen or work?

Works fine in New Zealand.

Selling is not criminal in Canada but buying is, as well as pimping or brothel keeping (which included more than one sex worker in the same incall) but it's fair to say that none of this is actually enforced much in practice. Unless extreme case, coercion or minors are involved.

But keeping part of it criminalized keeps it stigmatized. It is riskier for us and it makes it harder to access non judgmental medical care or to report violence against us.

So how would decriminalizing make any difference other than diminish stigma, be safer by working with others and having better medical care?



Some posters have included some consideration of Sex workers in their comments but several seem to be only concerned about how clients (themselves) would be affected. Can I please respectfully remind everyone that we bear most of the burden, stigma and risks so it would be nice to include our well-being in any commentary about something that has important repercussions on us. Thanks! do