Agencies Pressuring Hobbyists...Decide NOW Before the Meeting!

[korbel]

Hello all,

There is a strong growing trend among many agencies that seems to have escalated in the last year or so. Once you decide to call for a meeting, and the lady you want is available, you have to decide right away how long you want her to stay before she is started on her way. I tend to say something like...well, the reviews are good but I can't be sure we will click. Afterall, who knows how two individuals will react to one another. Sometimes the agencies attitude depends on the night or on the general popularity of the lady, but more and more the agents are insisting that the hobbyist decide precisely on the number of hours before seeing the lady. While I understand that agencies would like to maximize their profitable hours and this method seems fairly logical in some business sense for the agents, this type of approach has the distasteful flavor of dealing with a pushy car salesman.

As a reasonably honest person I don't say...sure, give me two hours while planning to dump someone if she isn't as appealing as I hoped. Of course if the situation with a lady is just bad in view of manners or a complete lack of attraction there is little choice in asking her to leave. But, in general, I find this growing trend of forcing commitments on a lady site unseen and often with little or no reviews to be both distasteful and unreasonable. In my view, having just a few minutes to meet someone and get some feeling of the attraction and connection is fair. I often want two hours to relax and enjoy the meeting in a way one hour just won't fulfill. But being pressured on the phone to decide instantly without any previous experience is simply...again...unreasonable. I may be on thin ground here. I know the agencies have the right to do as well as they can. But in my opinion this attitude described above is overbearing and gives too much advantage to the agents. Allowing the hobbyist a few minutes to meet is a much better balance if interests between all parties...including the interest of the lady, which is no small part of the whole association. I hope the agencies will recognize that these methods can lose as much business as they hope to gain by them. Do you agree???

Regards,

Korbel






huffiness

 

[NHBrat]

Korbel,

I definitely agree. I have no problems making a commitment up front if I already know the lady. Rather that than ask for more time once she has arrived. Tried that a few times and was not able to extend. My fault and not the agencies. However, if we have not met, I find it hard to ask for multiple hours based on reviews by others. I have done that on several occassions and wished I hadn't. But I had to take the extra time since that was only fair on my part. I have found in a couple of instances that the lady who arrived was not what I expected. I gambled and lost. I know that there are a few agencies that seem to be doing quite well right now but is business that good for all of them? Also, once the agencie knows you, don't you think they would be a little more understanding? I think that if you deal with the same agencies most of the time, they will be more likely to give you that few minutes once the girl arrives. At least they should. They should not cut off the hands that feed them.

 

[chef]

So in effect what you guys are saying is that you want to book 1 hour, but you want the agency to block out 2 hours of the lady's time just in case you want to keep her longer. So, if 5 minutes after your call (before you have seen her) they get another call to book her for the hour after yours (perhaps for multiple hours), they should turn it down just in case you like her and want to keep her longer. Am I reading you correctly ?

 

[korbel]

No...not correctly.

Hello Chef,

I never said I wanted the agencies to "block out two hours"..."just in case". What I tried to say is we should not have to decide on whether we want one hour or two on the phone. We should be able to decide after meeting the lady for a few minutes. Clearly, I know I am assuming a risk that the agency may get a call for the lady while she is on her way. That is a reasonable risk I think we should all accept if we are not reasonably sure about the lady and cannot decide before meeting. It is only fair that each side take their risks. The way you put it is clearly not fair to the agency. I don't see how you read your slant on the matter into my post.

Regards,

Korbel

 

[NHBrat]

Chef,

Of course if we have chosend not to book multiple hours until we see who arrives and she is booked by the time we decide to take more hours, that is clearly our loss. I would not expect any agency to hold time until we decide. Thats clearly not fair to them. What Korbel is talking about is strictly being pressured to make that decision on his first call when he hasn't seen the lady before.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I think you guys (except Chef) are way out of touch here. Put yourself in the agency's position....is this how you would operate? By allowing hobbyists to decide once the lady arrives how long they want to see her? If so, you wouldn't last very long in this business if you'd start your own agency. Come on, think about it guys....let's say that you call a certain agency and you want to see so-and-so. The other person on the phone would tell you: "Sure, she'll be available possibly at around 9pm. We're not sure about this....she has an appointment at 7:30pm, but we're not sure how long the client will keep her for. It might be for 1 hr, 2hrs or more....we absolutely don't know right now! Call back at 7:35pm and we'll tell you whether or not you can see her tonight...hopefully, he'll only keep her for an hour and you can see her at 9pm. And once you see her, you can decide for how long you want to see her....i recommend that you book her for at least 2 hrs since there are many clients presently lined up behind you in order to see her. We do understand that we also risk losing all our clientele by operating this way."

Do you actually think this is realistic? If i misread what you seem to be implying, i'll stand corrected.

 

[The Wizard of Oz]

I second Doc on this. Korbel, I do understand what you're trying to say but ...
Unpleasant it would be for the girl to know that she has to show up like an ''article'' before the guy make his decision!
Also, how many time hobbiest complains about being bumped by another client that decided to extent and/or about the lady being late? These may be some administration/management reasons why it's getting importante to know if you wanna 1 or 2 hour appointment...
What do you think about it?

Just my 2 cents!

 

[The Wizard of Oz]

I agree with Chef, especially if it's busy. I understand the concerns when meeting a new person, but it's a chance you take. You can always see her again if you like her.

That's an excellent idea! Korbel, you may found a girl for you (or a few ) and then it would be easier for you to book for more than 1 hour ... in advance.

Have a nice day!

 

[Doc Holliday]

I understand the concerns when meeting a new person, but it's a chance you take. You can always see her again if you like her.

Which is why i often book lesser-reviewed ladies for 1.5 hrs (if it's our first encounter) if i'm allowed to. Not every agency allows these types of bookings, though.

 

[Special K]

Not Feasible!

I agree with everyone here except Korbel and NH Brat, Doc summed it up well in his post. You can't expect to meet a girl at 9pm and decide then and there if you want to extend your date to 2 hours and expect the agency to grant your wish, it just doesn't make sense and any agency that did this, like Doc said would be blackballed in record time.

 

[NHBrat]

I am amazed that you have all misread what we have said. So I will ask. Have anyone of you had a lady show up and at that point called to request more time? I would be surprised if none of you had. If you make the call and the lady is not booked after your hour, what is wrong with booking more time at that point? If she is booked, our loss. If not, doesn't the girl and the agency benefit? They don't have to pick her up and she stays busy longer. What Korbel was talking about was agencies who pressure you to make a decision for more hours up front, before you have met the lady. That's all. Seems pretty clear to me. You are all misreading. Korbel, please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Robin]

I don't think agencies are pressuring anyone. What they can do is to reserve a 1-hour slot for you, and if the next hour has not been booked by the time you meet her, you can extend your session to the second hour. What they can't do (for popular escorts) is to block the second hour from being booked by another customer, until your hour starts. That is, you can't take that second hour out of booking availability unless you book it ahead yourself. I guess you have to take the chance that you will want her for 2nd hour but can't have her, or the chance that you have her for 2 hours but don't want her.

1-hour appointments are so much simpler.

 

[The Wizard of Oz]

Yes and no!

I am amazed that you have all misread what we have said. So I will ask. Have anyone of you had a lady show up and at that point called to request more time? I would be surprised if none of you had. If you make the call and the lady is not booked after your hour, what is wrong with booking more time at that point? If she is booked, our loss. If not, doesn't the girl and the agency benefit? They don't have to pick her up and she stays busy longer. What Korbel was talking about was agencies who pressure you to make a decision for more hours up front, before you have met the lady. That's all. Seems pretty clear to me. You are all misreading. Korbel, please correct me if I am wrong.

What you just said about benefits is all good.
The thing is all about the pressure.
But if the guy is not sure himself it is at is own risk.
If he is asking the agency to take that risk, well then I don't agree.
I think that's what the opposite opinions are saying here...

 

[chef]

As long as the agencies are not saying book her for multiple hours or you can't see her, I don't see how they can possibly pressure you. So, just do as a host of other posters have said: commit to only one hour and take a chance that if you want more time when she comes (sorry, arrives ) she is available for more time.

 

[NHBrat]

I agree. I would never ask an agency to hold out a ladies potential appointments until I met her and made a decision. That is not fair for the agency or the lady. I don't believe that is what Korbel was asking an agency to do. Korbel can confirm if I am correct or not.

 

[Special K]

Misunderstood

I am amazed that you have all misread what we have said. So I will ask. Have anyone of you had a lady show up and at that point called to request more time? I would be surprised if none of you had. If you make the call and the lady is not booked after your hour, what is wrong with booking more time at that point? If she is booked, our loss. If not, doesn't the girl and the agency benefit?

Ok NHB, I misunderstood your response but I think yours and Korbel's point of view differ. Of course it doesn't hurt to call when the lady arrives and see if you can book a 2nd hour but, to expect the agency to not book her after you until you decide if you like her enough to keep her for 2 hours sounds ridiculous to me and this I believe is what Korbel was getting at.

What I tried to say is we should not have to decide on whether we want one hour or two on the phone. We should be able to decide after meeting the lady for a few minutes.

How else would this be possible? Like was said previously you absolutely have the right to extend the date to 2 hours IF the time is available when calling the agency back after the lady has arrived. I don't believe you have the right to call after the lady arrives and be given priority over the next person that booked her for the following hour.

Regards,

SK

 

[EagerBeaver]

What Korbel was talking about was agencies who pressure you to make a decision for more hours up front, before you have met the lady.

NHBrat,

Sorry but I have never experienced such pressure. There are certain HDH agencies and indies that have 2 hour minimums, but I have never heard of an LDL agency doing this or of "pressuring" one to book extra hours with a particular lady, whether you have met her or not. I don't even know how one would go about doing that without losing all credibility.

It's true that certain popular LDL ladies book up quickly with multi hour dates. If you mean an LDL operator says, "sorry, escort X has already got three 2 hour dates tonight", that is not exerting pressure, it's just stating the facts. In fact, I did have this happen to me once and later learned that 2 of the multi hour dates had been booked by guys I knew, who later told me about their dates.

There is not only no trend, but I am not aware of even one single instance where this happened to me. I can only assume that certain hobbyists are getting frustrated trying to book popular LDL escorts who get booked for multi-hours quickly. To me that is a "tough shooshkums" situation. If there is any trend going on it might be that some traditional HDH hobbyists are invading the LDL domain, booking multi hour dates and taking advantage of specials, and the traditional LDL hobbyists are getting pissed off that they are getting squeezed out of their 1 hour sessions. To me this is simply market economics at work here. You can no more cry over this than you can over high gas prices.

 

[Jim2005]

One aspect about this hobby is that you can take all kinds of steps to minimize risk but you can never completely eliminate it. It's a contact sport, so to speak. Risk comes with the turf. Someone out there had to write that initial review of Samy, formerly of First Time and now an indie. Same for other girls.

I find it interesting how some guys who are very keen on the FKK club scene in Germany, or the Amsterdam window girl scene (main RLD near the Old Church) for that matter, have zero interest in escorts and little to no interest in going to Montreal. And this includes some guys I know who live in the Northeast USA. They would rather fly to Europe and see the women in person, especially the Eastern European contingent, rather than trek up to Montreal to sample the Quebecoise escorts there. One guy I know put it this way. He wants to "See, Buy, Fly", which is the motto you find at the Duty Free shops at Schipol Airport near Amsterdam. Waiting in a hotel room for a knock on the door by an escort isn't his cup of tea. I get the sense that he fears an ugly lady will knock on the door and he'll be repulsed. Increments of time can be bought in 15 minute chunks of time in the Amsterdam RLD for 50 Euros (35E is the going rate per 15 minutes in Alkmaar, 25 miles away). I understand the minimum is 30 minutes at an FKK club and the price per hour comes out cheaper than a typical European RLD. Time can be easily extended and most of these gals are dedicated clock watchers. Clock watchers aren't necessarily bad because some ladies want to make sure that the purchased time is well-managed and you walk away happy with a "repeat customer" mentality.

Those of us who choose to see escorts, which is my great preference, are looking for more of a first-date kinda experience with sex included on the menu. Clean bedsheets. The privacy of a hotel room. A whirlpool/jacuzzi if doable. Great conversation and an ability to see how she dresses up for you (or doesn't dress up!). The ability to entertain in the room and perhaps go on a dinner date. And there tends to be much less focus on the clock if the appointment is for multiple hours. And of course lovely companionship. One benefit of seeing escorts, especially for dinner dates or longer appointments, is that your social skills tend to be improved in the process if you apply sincerity and effort. I've seen mid-tier escorts in multiple countries who arrived famished. Hadn't had anything to eat or drink in hours and acted famished. One escort I met in Amsterdam had never been on a dinner date before. She scarfed down food like she hadn't eaten in a day. I'm generally not that crazy about escort agencies because they, and their ladies, don't necessarily deliver an hour of time for an hour paid. I gravitate to those ladies in the elite HDH arena, who are quite capable of overdelivering on time and the overall quality of the date, "mileage" included.

I like Doc Holliday's strategy of a 90 minute date. One hour flies by very quickly and that extra 30 minutes beyond one hour is ideal. My gentle advice to Korbel would be to negotiate either 60 or 90 minutes up front with an agency whose particular girl you're utterly uncertain about. And leave it at that. No more, no less. Agencies and escorts like that incremental revenue that comes from appointments longer than the minimum. Juggling appointments, coordinating pickups/dropoffs with girls/drivers, and managing their businesses constitutes a form of overhead. One five-hour appointment can bring in close to the same revenue for a mid-tier agency as 5 one-hour appointments. Elite independent escorts (HDHs) aren't necessarily crazy about 2-hour dates versus the alternatives. The lady will typically enjoy a significantly larger fee, percentage-wise, with a 4-5+ hour appointment. She has to prepare just as diligently for a 2-hour date versus a longer appointment. It wouldn't surprise me in the times ahead if some HDHs only chose to see men for 4+ hour dinner dates or longer appointments.

Cheers,
Jim

 

[picasso]

What Korbel was talking about was agencies who pressure you to make a decision for more hours up front, before you have met the lady. That's all. Seems pretty clear to me. You are all misreading. Korbel, please correct me if I am wrong.

NHB,

Are you some kind of spokesperson for Korbel? Why don't you let him clarify to the board what he means ! I've been at this hobby for quite a while and have not experienced a single instance where the booker asks you to commit to more than the standard hour a priori. This applies to both gfe and non-gfe type agencies. The exceptions and that is well-described by EB are those agencies or indies who advertise in advance that they require a multi-hour minimum so any hobbyist who's done his research would know that prior to calling. And that ain't pressure.

 

[StripperLover]

Something I am missing here, is being asked on the phone prior, how long you wish to see a lady for constitute being pressured ?

I'm not saying what this or that member meant by what he posted & will wait until they clarify.

Just to add that it is totally reasonable for any agency to be able to book all their ladies as many clients as they are prepared to see in an evening. Where this may come into a hitch is when an agency does accept pre-bookings & those clients will have to decide in advance how long their date is going to be.

Where it is not reasonable is for a client to expect an agency to leave time gaps in betwen each client for him to decide how long he's going to see a lady for.

If when calling on a given night & booking a lady for later in the evening, say calling at 7Pm for a 10PM date, if they don't ask you & you don't request longer than 1 hour, expect her time after to be spoken for or you're rolling the dice for that extra hour or more.