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Any old timers can tell me how they calmly handle situations like this?

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That is exactly what triggered me. With that said I agree with your point, at least my understanding of it:

Theoretically, millage/dollar is what affect hobbyist's valuation of a SP, but there are other indicators that a hobbyist can use to predict session's outcome: reviews, agency reputation, how long the SP has been in the business, etc.
In the end though, it is the hobbyist' sentiments, attitudes, and expectations that ultimately affect wether or not a session is deemed postive.

I'll stay on the, well reviewed, path. Seems to be the best way to mitigate the risks.
 

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Rip offs are part of the game, if you report the good, bad and ugly in a review you will make it better for all the hobbyist. ( they might return the favor in their reviews )

Exactly, it how this community is supposed to work, we share our good and bad for the other guys on this board to have the info they need to make a good choice and then they do the same for the board, unfortunately some guys wont do any negative reviews for a myriad of reasons, all info helps not just the good, then theres those that just lurk use the board for the info and dont contribute, and those, like one has admitted on this thread, that use the board then only share the info "backchannel" to those they know personally, its unfortunate.
 

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Personally i had 2 very bad experiences in my town couple years before discovering merb, i tough the first one was rookie mistake and i rolled with it. I tried again and made sure this time to ask everything to be totally sure. In the end i was fooled and it was bad again. I don't use the word "horrible" as i was not "robbed" and she didn't yell at me or the worst of what i read in reviews here at times, but the experience was so bad i felt like i had just threw my money in the toilet.

I didn't tried again for like 2 years i think... then i found merb totally by accident looking for strip clubs (that section came out in a google search) and well... i started reading... One of the top stars at the time was actually visiting my town in a couple days so i decided to try it. All her reviews where great both in service and excellent look, and i was able to exchange mail with her and she looked genuine. It happened and oh boy !! Lets say i came out of there singing and dancing on street ...litteraly :p I came to MTL for the first time(for a meeting) a month or so later for my birthday, not only to see a girl but party up with friends. And it was even better. The girl i saw (from my memory) was so beautifull, her service was so perfect. Maybe it was beginners "amaze" but its how i felt. In my first 2 experiences with merb i did my first COF (meeting 1) and my first(and second lol) BBBCIMSW.

So yeah right from the get go i was spoiled by merb i supose. I can't say all my experiences in my first 2 years where as stellar as those 2 first one but they always had great redeeming qualities exept a few rare ones. For instance one of the girl i saw as my ... 6th i think, would have to look at my notes lol, anyway she wasn't "model looking" , a bit chubby, but she had a cute face and great eyes (she had face pics on the agency website) and i had my first Greek with her (free of extra charge) and she was open to BBBJCIMSW. Also a good attitude obviously.

And then it kept going and i saw Kate for the first time, then Kelly Summer as my first "real pornstar" experience. Had tons of great meetings at GG back then and the rest is history. Gotta give a shoutout to the Unicorns Sonia and Hanna as well for having make me discover and experience new things and make me feel spoiled even more :)

To me the simple fact of going outside merb perimeeter is like playing with fire. Obviously the taugh of a 160$/h meeting sounds great. But as botchy as it may sound at first glance it remind me of a certain thing my mom does. (WAIT WAIT WAIT... HEAR ME OUT !! LOL) She always seem to go for the cheaper foods at the grocery store. For instance if Oreos are 3.50$ and she can buy cheap chocolate cookies for 2$, she will go with the cheap ones. Even if i kept telling her i rather have 1 box of oreos rather than 2 of the cheap brand. As for me the difference in taste is huge. For her its really quantity over quality. Personally i rather have less but enjoy it to the fullest.

Kinda feel similar with meetings. I rather have one that is great but cost more, rather than 2 cheaper ones wich at best will be "ordinary" and at worst could be terrible. Meetings cost me at there cheapest (winter season for instance with hotels etc) around 380/400$ if i count all expenses like the hotel, travel cost and extras. But i rather have this and come out of there super happy and satisfied rather than go to a cheap incall in a shady neighborough and not only gamble with my money but also my security.

Of course merb is not full bulletproof, i mean look at the OPs situation, but if you been a member here for a little while and take the time to do your homeworks, you know wich agencies have the best reputations and all. We have contest/polls every year also and the agencies proudly wear there badges of "merb #1/2/3" agency winner so that tell something.

As for the question of merb % in the montreal market... I would say its much more than 2% for sure. Obviously there is the tourist and the late night owls who call whoever they can cause there horny (and sometimes intoxicated) but one thing for sure, with backpage out of the picture, i think merb will grow once again. Not everybody knows about leolist (wich seem to be the replacement for now) , its nowhere near as big, and it may take a while before it establish itself as "the place". Merb may not be 50% of the market, but it ain't 2% i can tell you that.

Also i agree with Jalimon the back channels play a huge part for regular merb members.

I think the only thing that may "hurt" merb is that no matter if you put "escortes a montreal" or "montreal escorts" it does not come on page 1 (at least not for me) If you add reviews to french or english terms in come out in the first 3 result tough(google).

In any case everybody is different and i know lots of guys probably don't think too much of an escort meeting, they probably expect what they see in the movies and myself first after the terrible meetings i had in my town i didn't expect what i know now.

But with what i seen, what i experienced, i could never go back to the "cheap meeting" routes.

As for the situation with the OP there. As an experienced hobbyist i don't think i would had call that agency in the first place for a start so its hard to say the rest but lets say it happen, i do call it, i would certainly not pay the money up front as my trust is super low in them. Worst that can happen is she says "no service then" wich i say "fine... have a good night" . I wouldn't even have given 40$. Like really what type of services is this? Not even a CBJ included? 80$ for a CBJ?? wtf... lol.

But thats me, im extra carefull with everything.
 

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Afterwards, as someone who is fresh and writes pretty comprehensive reviews, my experience says there is nothing to gain from putting effort into writing a negative one, no matter how true. I put effort into writing one lukewarm review since starting.. having to write it out and defend it was a draining experience and I benefitted in no way. Sometime you just gotta let it slide off your shoulder, because if you get caught up in the negativity, you will end up stooping to their level and prolonging your misery by rehashing a bad experience. In my good reviews I put in a full effort, for bad reviews I'll just acknowledge some basic stats. Don't waste your time dwelling on then negative, its just not worth it.

couldnt agree more, do your research, stick with good agencies. Everyone’s gonna have a bad experience here and there, even with good agencies and with well reviewed providers. Like Rosbos said, “let it slide” and move on. There’s always a better experience around the corner
 

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Let's not forget that Kewt used a known agency that is in fact a MERB advertiser, so it's not like a Sweet Montreal situation here. I am not sure any research he could have done on MERB would have prepared Kewt for the situation which happened to him, which seems to have come out of left field and was an isolated incident. Isolated incidents that no research can prepare you for can happen, and when they do, you have to handle the situation as coolly as possible. Kewt had good cause to be angry and probably handled the situation as well as he could have. Perhaps in the future he will stick with ladies who are reviewed, although just because you put your hand on the stove, and get an unexpected burn, does not mean it will happen again. There is some element of risk that is taken even with an unreviewed lady at a well reviewed agency.
 

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I agree with you EB. And I am sure by now because of this review the agency corrected the situation.

Cheers,
 

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Yeah it’s laughable nonsense that a bad review on MERB does anything.

EB this comment is merely an opinion. And IMO an incorrect one. The argument you and a couple others seem to be making is that since poor service providers and B&S agencies continue to exist, the negative reviews had no effect. What is missing in this argument is how many potential clients and $ did the reviews steer away. No doubt reviews here have not and likely never will eradicate B&S and other scammers or poor service. And to your good point, some guys still don't make the effort to read reviews. But based on thread views, hundreds if not thousands of guys do. And for them those reviews do influence decisions and steer business away from bad providers and agencies. Quantifying the loss of business to them is obviously debatable.
 

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If Merb clients represent "next to nothing" of the local market, why are there so many paid advertisers here ? LOL
 

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If Merb clients represent "next to nothing" of the local market, why are there so many paid advertisers here ? LOL

MERB is for the American market, just a guess but probably a very small percentage of the escort market reads MERB.
An escort who I seen the most was never interested in MERB, knows it is mostly Americans and did extremely well without advertising here.
 

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But based on thread views, hundreds if not thousands of guys do. And for them those reviews do influence decisions and steer business away from bad providers and agencies. Quantifying the loss of business to them is obviously debatable.

The loss of revenue from bad reviews is negligible in comparison to the overwhelming number of positive advertising hits the savvy B&S agencies score. Booker at one time started a thread on the top 5 Montreal agencies in terms of website hits or views and Sweet Montreal was in the top 5 for many years, and ranked as high as #2 or #3 in the last few years even. The percentage of those consumers who avoided the agency due to bad reviews is microscopic in comparison. Some of these stats have been quantified, and of course we do know how long this agency has been in business. The only conclusion that can be drawn is that bad reviews have not put a dent in their business model.
 

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Not sure what’s in the water up in Montreal these days but I’m at the airport wrapping up a weekend trip. I digressed from the Big 3 - EVE - Euphoria, Vogue and EscortsXO - and it cost me big time. There is a previously reputable agency up there with very late night appointments that now seems to be a den of degenerate thieves and con artists. I’ll provide details tomorrow and will go so far as moderators will allow me in revealing agency and details. Agency is slime. I should have stayed in Jersey this weekend as the schedule at some NNJ agencies was off the charts on Fri and Sat. Or at the very least should not have strayed from the Montreal big 3 but schedules didn’t align on Saturday. Stay tuned.
 

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And to your good point, some guys still don't make the effort to read reviews. But based on thread views, hundreds if not thousands of guys do. And for them those reviews do influence decisions and steer business away from bad providers and agencies. Quantifying the loss of business to them is obviously debatable.

Well the thing is, it doesnt change a damn thing if thousands of clients steer away because of a bad reviews if thousands don't and the agency/girls still get the same amount of bookings. You cant be more booked than fully booked so it doesnt change a thing, really.

Also how many times do you see bad reviews then someone saying ''I did read the reviews but she looks so hot I couldnt resist'' *facepalm*
 

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digressed from the Big 3 - EVE - Euphoria, Vogue and EscortsXO - and it cost me big time.
Looking forward to your review, how did you handle being obviously ripped off?

Edit: if it's not agaisn't the rules: which NJ agencies do you recommend? I might be traveling to NYC, soon, myself.
 

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Let's not forget that Kewt used a known agency that is in fact a MERB advertiser, so it's not like a Sweet Montreal situation here. I am not sure any research he could have done on MERB would have prepared Kewt for the situation which happened to him,

Dude, all you need is to check a little bit the review section and you will realize this particular agency does not have the best track record. The negative reviews seem to outnumbers the good ones. They are never mentioned in the best agency threads at the end of each years etc.

So yes in fact researches could had prepared him...
 

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I did not say they were well reviewed, I said they were a known agency and an advertiser. I have not kept a scorecard on whether their bad reviews outweigh their good ones. It is irrelevant- if there were any prior reviews in which those $80 upcharges on CBJ and LFK and DATY were mentioned, please tell us about them.

So yes in fact researches could had prepared him...

Please point us to the prior reviews discussing the upcharges Kewt mentioned being sanctioned as an agency practice as opposed to an isolated episode with one lady.

I differentiated this agency from Sweet Montreal based on the MO of the latter being B&S photos- going back 15 years. B&S wasn't mentioned here by Kewt.
 

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How do you guys handle these bad apples w/o loosing your cool (verbally or otherwise)?kewt

It's rare when these things happen to me, but when they do, I typically go the path of least resistance. When the girl leaves I work it out with the agency. If that doesn't work out, then I just chalk it up as a loss and move on. I prefer to not have any type of confrontation with an SP in my hotel room. Things can get ugly fast and IMHO if it was me I would have paid her to leave.
 

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Thegreatwaloo gives good advice. Situations can deteriorate, hotel security could end up being called, you run many risks by losing your cool.

This reminds me of what happened with a friend of mine a few years ago. He was surfing some non mainstream websites and came across the page of what appeared to be a very hot looking Indy. He showed me the page on his phone and I told him I had no idea who it was and to stick to one of the top 3 or 4 agencies, the names of which I gave him. He didn’t listen to me and contacted the “Indy.” It turned out not to be an Indy at all but an agency and they bait and switched him with a girl who instead of being a dark skinned mixed racial girl, was a blonde, fair skinned European. He was staying at the W and went outside at around 2 am to meet her in front of the hotel. He realized he was bait and switched immediately, but due to the very late hour, drunkenness, and horniness (the usual “unholy trinity” of bad decision making), he accepted her anyway. He said she didn’t look too bad. However once they got up to the room and she undressed, revealing a jelly roll, very bad stretch marks, and unshaven armpits, he decided to reject her. She then told him he would have to speak to the driver and she couldn’t leave his room until he did. He then gets on the phone with the driver who tells him he has to give the girl $100 as a fee or she would not leave. My friend then told the driver “that is not happening.” The driver then threatened him and my friend, knowing the type of security the W has, taunted the bait and switch driver and said, “dude, I would love to see you get by security here and take my $100. Go ahead and try- make my day!!!” This situation at this point could have gotten explosive, but the driver relented in the face of my friend’s incredible chutzpah, and the girl was sent packing with $40.

He listens to me a lot more since then.
 

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I did not say they were well reviewed, I said they were a known agency and an advertiser. I have not kept a scorecard on whether their bad reviews outweigh their good ones. It is irrelevant- if there were any prior reviews in which those $80 upcharges on CBJ and LFK and DATY were mentioned, please tell us about them.



Please point us to the prior reviews discussing the upcharges Kewt mentioned being sanctioned as an agency practice as opposed to an isolated episode with one lady.

I differentiated this agency from Sweet Montreal based on the MO of the latter being B&S photos- going back 15 years. B&S wasn't mentioned here by Kewt.

You totally miss my point. Read where i quote you and read my reply again. You say he couldn't had known something shady could happen calling this agency, i said yes he could had known if he had read there reviews.

I don't have the will, time and interest to start digging up everything but just by memory i can remember bait and switch DID happen in the past with this agency and even tough CBJ as an upcharge is a first by memory, i saw reports of this agency having girls doing only CBJ/asking extra for BBBJ etc.

My point was and still is that being a merb advertiser does not guarentee you a 5 star meeting, you still have to do a bit of researches on merb to know the agencies reputation.

Maybe im a bit more zealous than others but i spend a great deal of time to check up stuff on merb. There some agencies i barely ever used myself but its just because "it never got to happen" and i would feel at ease to book with them, while others i wouldn't call with even a 50$ discount "coupon" ... (the coupon part is satyrical but you get the picture)

So when you say
am not sure any research he could have done on MERB would have prepared Kewt for the situation which happened to him

I say yes some researches could had help him. That would require tough putting there name in the search box and reading lots of different reviews from the girls.
 

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A point of caution about Agency reviews. I’ve seen merely moderately critical reviews disappear from reviews of agencies that advertise here. This forum is a business and they know who pays the bills. It”s not the end of world - we get more value than not out of the site, but it’s not perfectly transparent.
 

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Mars21,

Are you suggesting that critical reviews are removed by the Mods at the behest of the agencies? Isn’t it also possible that the critical review is removed by the reviewer after the agency privately resolves the issue to his satisfaction? I am not saying that the latter is appropriate, but it’s also a possibility.
 
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