Anyone had 1st kiss or lose virginity to a SP??

[InSearchOfMeaning]

A week after my 22th birthday, I got very drunk with my friends at a popular bar. We then met with some other friends who drove us to a strip joint off island. Mind you, ive been to a few strip joints beforehand in my life and had maybe 2 dances tops non-contact up to that point.

Entering a FS strip joint was a rather harsh contrast with my previous experiences. Not to mention that it was one of the first times ive gotten really drunk, and was clueless with how to deal with my loss of coordination, notwithstanding a lack of mental focus.

I think i was warned as to what was waiting, but i dont think i fully grasped the words at that time.

A dancer came to my table, we chatted and invited into the cabin. 3rd Dance in my life at that point.

Anyways, skipping through the details.

It sucked.

If there was anything that could go wrong, it did. From impotence, to not getting it in there, to not coming, to blatantly wondering what the hell is going on at every step of the way.

I was drunk desensitized with a blurred vision, and to top it off, it was freakishly dark in that cabin.

 

[hungry101]

A week after my 22th birthday, I got very drunk with my friends at a popular bar. We then met with some other friends who drove us to a strip joint off island. Mind you, ive been to a few strip joints beforehand in my life and had maybe 2 dances tops non-contact up to that point.

Entering a FS strip joint was a rather harsh contrast with my previous experiences. Not to mention that it was one of the first times ive gotten really drunk, and was clueless with how to deal with my loss of coordination, notwithstanding a lack of mental focus.

I think i was warned as to what was waiting, but i dont think i fully grasped the words at that time.

A dancer came to my table, we chatted and invited into the cabin. 3rd Dance in my life at that point.

Anyways, skipping through the details.

It sucked.

If there was anything that could go wrong, it did. From impotence, to not getting it in there, to not coming, to blatantly wondering what the hell is going on at every step of the way.

I was drunk desensitized with a blurred vision, and to top it off, it was freakishly dark in that cabin.

So was this your "first time" or your "first time" at a full service strip joint? I do not prefer the full service strip joints. You have to perform in one or two songs or something like that. This is not what I was talking about for a first time. 1st, read reviews on MERB and make a list of the most passionate SPs from the most reputable agencies. 2nd, book the girl of your dreams. Then get a room and a bottle of wine and have a great time. the SP's a pro and she will guide you through your first experience. When you do meet that special non-sp someone you can avoid the awkwardness and anxiety and enter that relationship with confidence and experience.

 

[InSearchOfMeaning]

To answer your first question, it was both. Id prefer to have lost it in a more emotionally relevant manner, but stupid is as stupid does...

You raise an interesting point. I dont want to be rethorical, but i think its a bit of a macho preconception that a girl would want to be with experienced hands especially if she cares about the person.

My first adult kiss was with an MP a few weeks following that event. It was a first time at a massage parlor. My friend suggested it after i got mauled at a sporting event to cheer me up. He said itd be fun after we drank a beer. I had no idea what a massage parlor consisted off. I remembered as a kid thinking `` wow, people really must be aching alot to have so many parlors around``.

I get in the room. I skipped the shower. Mind you, i actually did compete in a sporting event, i just was very clueless. The girl comes in, I explain the situation. And this girl was 19, and she giggles as to how clueless i was.
The session procceeded with a thai massage, digits, , i hesitated when she was about to go on top with no hat. She sensed my hesitation ( or me pulling back as she was going down) and backed off thankfully. I finished it in her mouth and she swallowed it. All the while, she tried to make out with me.

Ive never was that intimate with a girl before. I didnt even know how to kiss her back, or if i wanted to. And the cost was pretty darn cheap compared to going rates.

The following two years was pretty rocky. I got deep in alcohol, strippers and MPs (but no escorts). Im a master of composure though, and it seemed all peachy in the ``real life``. Now that im kicking off all three habits ( which somehow always came together), I really do wish i could go back in the past and change all of that.

It wasnt all bad. The women ive met were all very nice to me and a few hoped that i get off the habit and get better mentally. In contrast, i was selfish, vain, and in my world where only I mattered. I dont want to be preachy, but im just relating my experience and the outcome of it on my mental health and perception of the feminine side. I could say alot about it, but ill refrain. Dont infer too much, im a picture of perfect health, but it feels like ive aged immensely from these last two years.

In the end, between ``innocent ta-ouain perdu`` and nihilism, i guess id rather not have bitten the apple.

 

[player_82]

Je ne suis pas parfaites, j'ai fait des erreurs et c'est tout à fait normal.

Oh! je dirais que t'es pas male proche de la perfection.....

Un petit conseil, les gars si vous voulez que la fille soit parfaite avec vous , apprenez à la traiter avec respect. Avant d'être une sp, elle est une femme.

Très vrai, mais il y a des fois que ça marche moins. Le respect c'est toujours un bon début...

 

[Dragonatic]

Losing virginity with an SP for the first time will bring you nowhere. I mean, there is a VERY big difference between fucking a girl that is there only for your money with no real feelings between you and her and that she is there only cause its her job to be fucked my unknown people than making love to the girl you love. So, if you are just too horny and you want to know how does it feel to fuck a pussy than go for an SP. Otherwise, wait to do it with your girlfriend.

 

[box]

Losing virginity with an SP for the first time will bring you nowhere. I mean, there is a VERY big difference between fucking a girl that is there only for your money with no real feelings between you and her and that she is there only cause its her job to be fucked my unknown people than making love to the girl you love.

I agree with everything that you wrote BUT for some of us time is running out.Personally,
I will never have the opportunity to be intimate with a woman unless I pay for it.

Some guys are just terrible with women...they have no charm,no charisma,poor
conversational skills,etc..As a result,they are in their late 30's without even having
kissed a girl. So,they have no choice but to consider using a SP.

 

[hungry101]

Losing virginity with an SP for the first time will bring you nowhere. I mean, there is a VERY big difference between fucking a girl that is there only for your money with no real feelings between you and her and that she is there only cause its her job to be fucked my unknown people than making love to the girl you love. So, if you are just too horny and you want to know how does it feel to fuck a pussy than go for an SP. Otherwise, wait to do it with your girlfriend.

Man don`t wait for anything. I say supplement your pussy quota with Montreal escorts. Let me tell you I have experienced all kinds of sex with all kinds of woman in all kinds of situations. Wives, ex-wives, girl friends, fiances, affairs, one night stands, office romance, wives friends, SW, SPs, Quebec SPs and Montreal SPs. I have to tell you that some the most passionate lovemaking I have ever made was with Montreal escorts. Who cares if I had to pay for it? Who cares if it was fake and the love I imagined during the 1 hour session ended after the girl left my room?

Dragon, I have told friends and even my own son to stay out of strip clubs because ``all you are gonna get sucked is every last dollar out of your wallet.`` If you are a young good looking guy you should be combing the singles bars, college campuses, high schools etc. Get involved in activities, fraternal organizations, hobbies, church groups or whichever group will put you in contact with like minded individuals of the opposite sex. Complement your waitress and try to get to know her. Tip her well. Buddy up with a chick magnet and try to learn how this silver tounged devil gets all the chicks. Join a gym and be a slave to fashion...But if you are in the shoes of the poster that started this thread (Box) perhaps do all of things listed above and then call a girl like Caroline of Xxxtase. Get a bottle of wine, some strawberrys and have some fun. If you are mired in a dull relationship with a woman that refuses to try new things or lacks passion call John or one of the Martins and line up his most passionate full service GFE SP. If you are just plain bored of your significant other and find yourself lusting after your office professional, the neighbor`s daughter, one of your wives girlfriends etc quickly find a business reason to visit Montreal - this will cost you much less in the long run. If you are over 40 and the young girls you lusted over don`t seem to be lusting you back...no matter how much money you have, visit Montreal for a long weekend and put those frequent flyer miles and Marriot points to good use. A Montreal escort from one of the reputable providers will love you like you have never been loved before...or more than you have been loved in a long time.

A Montreal escort is special. She is different from her USA counterpart. She talks to you like a friend rather than interviews you to determine if you are a cop. She insists on a bottle of wine or ordering up drinks rather than refusing alcohol because she is worried that you may have slipped her a date rape drug. She will perform , MPOS and maybe even suggest a visit the Greek islands rather than gte on all fours and ask every three minutes ``are you finished?`` She French kisses - after all she is of French ancestry. (Note* For first timers don`t try to stick your tongue down her throat - keep it in your mouth). She is much less likely to rush out the door to get a fix after the first SOG and there is a much greater chance that she is from a normal cross section of life trying to make some extra cash and not a felon because outcalls in Montreal are legal

In conclusion I would like to say that real passion for hire does exist in Montreal. Just remember it has a much shorter life cycle.

 

[Frank29]

Losing virginity with an SP for the first time will bring you nowhere. I mean, there is a VERY big difference between fucking a girl that is there only for your money with no real feelings between you and her and that she is there only cause its her job to be fucked my unknown people than making love to the girl you love. So, if you are just too horny and you want to know how does it feel to fuck a pussy than go for an SP. Otherwise, wait to do it with your girlfriend.

Great point! In my case I did not care about making love, I HAD to try what it was like to stick my cock in some pussy. This is why the SP way was great. But I agree there is a huge difference between fucking and SP and making love. I just could not wait anymore to try real action...

Have fun...

 

[Dragonatic]

Well, maybe I'm too "emotional" cause I never really enjoyed to fuck with an SP. Yes, I enjoyed the "technical" part, like to fuck a very fucking hot girl but I was saying all the time to myself "man what are you doing! Why are you fucking a girl that don't care about you! at least go fuck a one night girl so she will really enjoy her time with you since she want sex (thats the goal to a one night huh..) and not your money. She will not be there for her job but cause you turned her on".

 

[Frank29]

Well, maybe I'm too "emotional" cause I never really enjoyed to fuck with an SP. Yes, I enjoyed the "technical" part, like to fuck a very fucking hot girl but I was saying all the time to myself "man what are you doing! Why are you fucking a girl that don't care about you! at least go fuck a one night girl so she will really enjoy her time with you since she want sex (thats the goal to a one night huh..) and not your money. She will not be there for her job but cause you turned her on".

Valid point again but for some people it could be near impossible to get a one night stand. Maybe the starter of that thread is in that situation. If you are late 30, a virgin, i doubt that you will see going out a pick up a babe as an easy task. On the other hand, you just pick up the phone, a beautiful girl comes, she wants $$$$$$, the guy want sex.... Sound like the perfect match to me.... and the easiest way to get laid if you have absolutely no game like me...

 

[Dragonatic]

you just pick up the phone, a beautiful girl comes, she wants $$$$$$, the guy want sex.... Sound like the perfect match to me....

Yeah! you are right but this for me is the case only when I'm too horny and don't want to go out. So the SP come, I do my thing and she leave. both are happy..

 

[ForAdultStuff]

I dont know how to link a thread so i will just copy my answer to a topic trating of the exact same question:

I just wanted to let you know that i lost my virginity to an escort, but i have not been as patient as you since i had been 18 for a week only !

It has been a while now and i had time to think about what i did back in the days when i chose to give my virginity to an escort.

What i would say right off the bat is that personaly, i dont "totaly" regret what i did cause i think i really badly needed to have sex , and not only in a physical way, it was more or a psychological thing for me, i obviously confused it for a deeply embedded need to "fuck", but after years, i realise it was not.

I dont regret it because when i was 18, i had been the victim of a LOT of bullies in high school, wemens laughed at me, i was slim as hell (and i still am haha), i was the total opposite of virility in the eyes of everyone else, everybody called me gay since i was so weak etc etc etc. I now know that all this shit meant nothing but back then it did mean something to me i felt like a worthless piece of crap !

So honestly, having sex made me feel better, i felt a little more normal after i got out of that motel room. This is the positive part of the story.

The negative part is that the solution i had found was only a temporary "remedy" cause honestly, it didnt change who i was, it helped with my confidence and you need to be confident to change, but what happened to me is that i really loved it when i had sex, and soon enough, i wanted more, but i was the same slim shy guy, so i went with another SP, and then another and another and another.....this is the big catch you should be aware of.

I would think that since you want to give your virginity to an escort, it probably means you feel unable to seduce a women and you might think that's why you're still a virgin. If you choose to take action and do it, be aware of the possibility of geting addicted and belive me, it is addictive for a virgin.

Other problem it caused is obviously financial, i was a loser back then i was working grocery stores and spent all my money to have sex, i was really low. Eventually, i had sex with an SP that had her period, and some blood went under the condom somehow, so i went in total panic, i waited 4 months and went to get tested and i was lucky, i didnt get any STD. But if you do it, do it safely, dont even get a blow job whitout a condom, i would not even let her touch it whitout a condom, imagine getting some shit and eventually meeting a women who want's to be your girlfriend, this could fuck a lot of things up !

Also, my decision made it so that sex with an SP was all that i knew, and some of them were damn good at what they did , its normal its their job, so when i finally got a girlfriend, i had a hard time being satisfied with her performance, and it caused a lot of sexual issues with me, and it hurt her a lot, i just left her and i think its part because of that, not only that, but partly.

So this is my overall experience, it helped me get out of a very bad lack of self confidence, but if i had known all the consequences back then, i would not do what i did. I dont even remember where my first sex happened, i dont remember the face of the girl, i dont know her name. I didnt care back then, in my mind i NEEDED to have sex, bigtime, but now, i understand a lot of things that i did not when i was a teenager, and i would not take the same decision. I wont explain all i understood about life cause it would just not end, but when you age, you will understand those things.

I dont totaly regret it as i said, there were personal advantages in term of confidence, but that's it.

If you absolutely want sex and are decided and nohing can change your mind, i would recommand the same thing sexyxyz did recommand to you.

A massage, and maybe a blowjob, if you absoluetly want a sexual experience, but i would certainly also recommand that you dont give your first time away on an escort. If you lack self confidence, find a way to get it, go to the gym it should help, or start with girls that are less attractive or just hang with chicks whitout any sexual intention, it will teach you about wemens and soon enough you will understand they pretty much all work the same way and soon enough you will feel more and more comfortable with wemens.

If you dont lack self confidence, you can definately seduce a women, so there is no reason for you to go with an SP, just get a girlfriend.

So that's my advice to you.

Good luck

 

[ForAdultStuff]

I would just like to answer KIM'S comment here:

I just want to say that indeed respect is important when meeting an SP to make the experience a good one, but to be honest, i think most people in the hobby, meaning the SP and the client, must be faking that respect because we dont even respect ourselves since we do what we do...i know that when i see and SP i am nice, because being an ass hole is not gonna bring me anything, if it does, only thing it will do is i will get a bad service, so i am nice.

But just think about the risk we put ourselves into, SP for money and client for sex, and we keep trying to convince ourselves that it's not that dangerous and that the stats proove its not "that" risky. Still, we are playing with our health so we must not respect ourselves that much...some people put their family in danger too by hobbying, i did it too with my EX, i saw an SP while i was with her, confessed as soon as i saw her but still, i disrespected her. We are not respectfull people if we do what we do, and i know how SP talk about their client's in their private lives because someone in my family has been an SP, and no, she did not respect her clients, she faked it. Fair enough though its just the way it is, its about getting something out of the other person its not about respect or realtionship...

I will now try to explain why many men lack respect toward's wemens and/or SP:

I started in the hobby and if you want to know how just read my story, i answered the post question before commenting on what KIM said. I just belive that nowaday's, men and wemens relationships are based on bullshit and neither men or wemens want to admit it, its not about respect and love anymore, its about getting what you want to get, and nothing else. Men's admit it a little easier then wemens, we know and accept that our attraction AND love for a women is based on one thing, physical attraction. This attraction lead's to some feeling of love but they are bull since we would not love the exact same women with the same values if she was ugly...that's why we cheat when our girlfriend's become fat and stop caring about themselves, because we are animals in the bottom of our mind, its in our flesh.

Wemens usually put up their bullshit saying, no no its the person who is important, the values and this and that, bullshit, i never saw a beautifull women with an ugly AND poor guy. I have seen wemens with beautiful losers or ugly rich guy's, but this theory of existing relationship based on real important things like values are bull. There must be exceptions, but i think i am describing the rule here, its mostly about physical attraction and has nothing to do with respect.

So that get's nice people that are unfortunate enough to have bad genetics making them less attractive, leading them to become the victim of all sort of shit and jokes all their lives, which lead's them to very often fail in life and no women will choose them even if they are the nicest persons in the world, they wil just not choose a guy like that. I think all that is what makes a lot of men lack respect for wemens, and wemens lack respect toward's men because we admit that its all about physical attributes to us, we are "pigs" as many chick's say. And its true, we are pigs to the core...

In the end, what i wanna say is that, very very often, unnactractive and unsuccessfull people are the nicest persons you are ever gonna meet, but they are the ones left alone because being nice and respectfull is not important nowadays, everybody says that this is the most important thing, but no one makes the CHOICE to be with a nice but ugly and/or poor person. Everybody talk's shit and their action show's the exact opposite of what they claim high and loud. And the reason for that is that being nice does not pay, it does not bring anything, it is not what wemens really want from men's, they all say it is, but it is a load of shit, they will choose a pretty and rich ass hole before they choose a poor and ugly nice guy, bottom line.

I have been nice to EVERYONE i came across all my life, and it does not bring ANYTHING to be a nice person, only thing that is going to happen is that you will get taken advantage of, and as soon as you put your foot down and stant up for yourself, you will be rejected. So now i am concentrating on training my body, making money, and thinking about myself only.

My atitude now is the following: I will not be an ass hole and treat other people like shit on purpuse, but i dont give a fuck about other people anymore, i dont care what they want or feel, i dont care if they are happy or not, i care about ME and my family, the rest of the world can rot in hell and die, i dont care, because i cared about other people all my life and i didnt get shit out of it, i have only been used and manipulated...and now that i dont give a fuck about other people, i get more respect...this is ridiculous but this is the truth, i have been more respected since i became a selfish man...because people have to work more of a sweat to get what they want from me, im just not an easy target anymore so people have to be nice to me if they want what they want from me, when i was nice, it was easy for them. Just think about the soldiers fighting a war for us, they make the ultimate sacrifice to try and help other people, and what they get in return is death on the field or they come back fucked up in their head's and society's let's them down, but they are nice people i dont understand ? Well being nice is just the wrong way to be, it does not pay at all.

And i think there are a lot of people like that in the hobby, this is, to my opinion, why SP meet a lot of disrespectfull guy's, those guy's have probably been treated like shit even though they were allwais nice, so now they dont see the point of being nice.

Only reason why i am nice is to make the experience good for myself, im sorry to say, but i really have been fed up of allwais being the one giving giving all the time.

Beside's, even if we were the nicest guy's in the world, no SP would want to have sex with us for fun, and just for fun meaning free sex. No women in a bar or club either would want to have fun with us, we are probably mostly not attractive or rich, so its just not gonna work cause no women get gt something she want's out of us, we dont have what they really want, but we are very very nice guy's....i dont understand it should work no ? haha

And you said that behind the SP there is a women, i agree, that mean's that an SP that want's to have a realtionship will, like any other women in our society, choose a beautiful guy or a financialy established guy or better even, a guy that has both, they wont get out in a club and get a "Nice Guy" that will treat her with respect, many wemens are hooked on guy's that act like ass holes too, that's what you choose, the ass holes, that is what your heart chooses and you know like me a women cant resist her heart, so no, being nice is not the solution for us...

You probably just met a lot of people like me, but i just wanted to explain to you what seems to me like a possible reason why you see a lot of disrespectfull guy's out there, most hobby users must be part of the rejected "nice guy's" cause if they could get hot chicks, the would not use your services.

But i swear i treat SP i meet with respect, but only to have a good service, if the girl has the attiude, fuck it i will stop faking and i will just bang her and leave.

I just think this is the world we live in now, its sad and it sucks, but it's the way it is. It has nothing to do with values of respect and being nice, its about getting what you want out of the other person, nothing else.

I think things get a little better once the guy and the girl have kids, cause then the priority is the kid's and often, it will make a relationship become based on something that has a real importance and it will get the 2 together walking toward's the same objective. With time, it can become real, but wemen are not willing to give a "nice guy" a real chance of getting close to them, because at first the girl just does not feel attracted, and the guy is the same. I think that with time, a relationship made of real love can be built, but the foundation of it, the beginning of it, will still have been built on bullshit.

Respect is just not a value anymore, we live in a selfish world.

 

[Jman47]

Well being nice is just the wrong way to be, it does not pay at all.

I just think this is the world we live in now, its sad and it sucks, but it's the way it is. It has nothing to do with values of respect and being nice, its about getting what you want out of the other person, nothing else.

Respect is just not a value anymore, we live in a selfish world.

While I respect your opinion and your position, I felt compelled to post a response to some of your comments. It is obvious that your personal experiences have caused you to formulate the callused and self protective views you have adopted. I understand that, because I believe each of us has a little of that inside.

I believe being nice (until its time not to be nice anymore) is a much better way to live...and it will get you more than not being nice at all. Personally it takes allot until I am not nice anymore. You see, time and experience has taught me - it's just not worth the aggravation of being an asshole sometimes...just to be an asshole. It's better and healthier to just move on...

I respectfully disagree with your hypothesis that respect is not a value anymore.
I do believe we live in a dog eat dog world and that we should all look out for ourselves first, BUT to do so without caring and compassion for our fellow man only lends itself to an endless downward spiral of discontent and disrespect. I have met many people and yes most are selfish, but that does not make it right for me to adopt that posture. I simply take those people at face value and move on. I believe respect breeds respect...therefor if I treat all men and women with respect, perhaps...just perhaps it will change a negative attitude to a positive.

You have to look for the good in all people. Even selfish people have something good about them. Build on the good. Assholes are a dime a dozen. Real people, genuine people are the ones who ultimately make the world a better place. They do not have to be the most popular, most attractive - they just have to have the right attitude and a positive outlook on life. And they have to respect.

Anyway, all of that said, I think this thread needs to get back on track.

 

[johnmbot]

I will now try to explain why many men lack respect toward's wemens and/or SP:

i completely agree with your assessment as it applies to the masses. however, the root of your reasoning is what makes me wonder why people are this way. is it a by-product of the human survival instinct?

my male instincts tell me that the male needs to have something to offer the female: looks, financial security, physical security, emotional security, or a combination thereof. the tricky part is the requirements also change during a relationship.

we all have married friends, and it is easy to assess whether they are truly in love or not, and why they are together:
"they're together because <insert your observation here>."
has your observation ever been "they're together because he's ugly & poor"?

• sex is rarely free.
• males & females will trade up if the ideal situation presents itself.

relationships are a power struggle:

• he can hold financial, emotional &/or physical security over her if she lets him.
• she can hold sexual power over him if he lets her.

respect is earned, so what is it that he/she possesses to earn his/her respect? looks, personality, money, sensuality?

your virginity is not your life's most important possession or determining factor of how your life will turn out, so who cares if you lose it to an sp? if the sp fakes it don't take it personally. she certainly won't be the last to fake it with you so you may as well get used to it.

 

[hungry101]

Anyway, all of that said, I think this thread needs to get back on track.

Yes you are right we need to get back on track. I did not lose my virginity in Montreal but I did experience many firsts in this city. My following first time experiences in Montreal are listed below.

First time with an escort in Montreal - May of 2001

First time having worthwhile sex for money with an escort and not feeling ripped off- May of 2001

First time having sex in a full service strip joint - Grand Prix - May 2001

First time having worthwhile sex for money since my May 2001 experience - Quebec City December of 2006

First time having sex in Montreal after a 6 year hiatus - Allyson of Devilish followed by Emilie of Xxxtase October 2007

Recieved my first Porn Star with lots of spitting by Allyson of devilish

First time I felt compelled to lick a beautiful asshole - Liz of xxxtase

First time I experienced a snowball - Liz of Xxxtase

First time getting drunk with an sp during a session - Caroline of Xxxtase

First time I had anal intercourse - Victoria of Eleganza

First time I was able to call an agency and get the girl to arrive and dress exactly as she was dressed in her glam shots - Chelsy of Service VIP

First time I was able to perform two SOG with an escort - Cierra of GOF

First Smoked meat sandwich - Swartzs Deli

I have no regrets! Also, great post Johnmbot

 

[ForAdultStuff]

Thanks guys

Im glad i posted this whole point of view i have of relationships and the feedback i got is constructive. Thanks, i like getting more experienced people to feed me back, i can learn faster hat way.

Simply is that I just recently realised i was just...too nice...so i guess im going to the opposite until i can find balance.

Dont get me wrong here i dont directly tell people to fuck off or that i dont care about them, i do care about some people and im not a little insulting brat to people i dont know, i just dont want to be the "nice guy stereotype" anymore, its not who i really am, and if i dont "overdo it" for now with the me myself and i thing, ill just keep being nice cause its the way of life i've applied for years now, and its just not self rewarding to be like that.

I had just adopted this way to be to compensate for my lack of ability to be attractive to wemens and i just realised it just does not work. Many of them say that it's what they want, but it really is not and im kinda pissed i did not realise that sooner, i would have been alone but at least i would have did what i wanted to do instead of trying to please everyone around hoping something in eturn.

I think ill just give up on wanting to be attractive, it will come naturally with my carreer and the strenght training i guess. Im not shy around wemens, but i just...dont seduce them...period.

I overdid on the comment i made...i dont encourage disrespect, i just read Kim's comment and foud it so....typical...and to be honest it pissed me off...as a matter of fact, out of frustration about my past, i lied a bit...i dont fake the respect i give the girls i would love to be able to do that due to my need of changing my way to be, but i just cant disrespect the SP

I had a close family member who did what they do and i know its not an easy job. The diserve respect.

They want the nice guy sure, but on top of all the rest, just like us, we want a nice girl, but she has to be hot.

I could lower my criterias, but i will never do that cause i know if i end up with a women im not attracted to, and it happened,, ill just go see elsewhere with some SP most likely, and i dont want that for my future...

Thank's for taking me back down to earth, i must keep some balance ill try to remember that.

 

[InSearchOfMeaning]

There seems to be many frustrations toward the opposite sex in this thread.
Might seem off topic at the start, but the conclusion addresses the poster who started this.

On niceness:
Niceness is a simple way to influence things to go a certain direction, but it has been pervaded to the point that there is a belief that niceness will get you everything. Niceness will not get you sex. The logical inference to make that mental conclusion is a fallacy. I dont even see how people got that idea. People ( men and women) want nice among other things.

On fake niceness:
Now again, people seem to be pent up feelings in what the other person believed before or after the meeting. It is irrelevant. I wont even go in the moral implications that people usually go into because morals are an indefinite amount that can be only be qualified vaguely. People seemed to have qualms in being lied to because it seems to affect their ego, and etc... The truth is that "real" niceness is contagious, it resonates. When you set off a clock in a room filled with clocks, the clocks will start beating the same rhythm as that dictated by their natural frequency. When you hit a chord, a glass right beside might emit a tune by resonance. When a person smiles at you, you smile back. When you emit nice, people will be nice. And in that moment, the resonance makes it real.
Of course, all other parties implicated might try to conclude based on false thought process that it was all fake and etc later on... That last part is the typically human trait of lying to ourselves.

On attraction:
Attraction i believe is related to how well a person embody intelligence and reflect it. Obviously alot of the SPs are attractive, and their appearance reflect a certain kind of intelligence when it comes to maintaining one's shape. An intelligence they've garnered either intuitively or actively. People make a distinction between hot and intelligence. There's none. If people want to end up who has a certain body maintenance intelligence, they have to balance it somehow with an equal amount of intelligence of the same or of different type. And thats what you see in real life, and thats how it should be. Unfortunately, people make malicious conjectures.

On losing it because of reasons related to the above:
Ive lost it because of stupidity and because of that i tend to think of people in general in a very abstract manner. Not as real people, but a collection of natural principles embodied at varying degree, and their behaviour as dictated by physical laws, nutrition and circumstances. As a consequence, i really do have a bad time in building up relationships.

I am young, not even late twenties. But i do know alot about how things work. And if i dont, i can infer usually spot on. Many "normal" people seem to garner pleasure in being intimate with another person. And while losing it to a SP seems like an idea. It has repercussion. Ive never really loved anybody ( excluding family) and i dont think i will.

"I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all."

 

[johnmbot]

And while losing it to a SP seems like an idea. It has repercussion.

the repercussions are completely dictated by what 'losing your virginity' means to the individual, conceptually.

 

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the repercussions are completely dictated by what 'losing your virginity' means to the individual, conceptually.

Some repercussions might involve overwhelming feelings of guilt/shame.
Feeling ashamed that you had to resort to using a SP to lose virginity
or have a first kiss...while most have not paid for the same experience.

When you start considering using the services of SP (to lose virginity)
you're almost admitting that you are unable to seduce a woman and
are left with no other choice than to consult a professional.