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MCTJ

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Yes, unfortunately there are still stupid and irresponsible people ( clients and SPs ) that think they are invulnerable or just fucking don't care!
A good friend that is not in the hobby anymore told me about a wealthy and good looking friend of him that ask multiple SP and got the service each time.
He told him he was a fucking idiot and to go get tested ASAP!!! Lol!
And me I am constantly looking at the condom to avoid any slippage or breakage. Different world...
 

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Stealthing is a slang term for the act of removing a condom during sex without the consent of the partner. It's illegal in many places, and is a form of sexual assault.

California Governor Gavin Newsom signed a bill into law Thursday making the state the first to prohibit "stealthing," or removing a condom during intercourse without a partner's verbal consent.

The new law makes the removal of a condom without consent a sexual assault, and affirms that the practice "causes long-term physical and emotional harms to its victims," according to State Assembly member Cristina Garcia, a Democrat and author of the bill.

Garcia, a longtime proponent of the law, said reports of stealthing were increasing among women and gay men. She said she hopes other states follow with similar legislation making clear that "stealthing is not just immoral but illegal."
 
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I dont blame guys seeing escorts for asking for the possibility of bbfs with them. You are just straight up lying if you think bare is not 5 times better than sex with condom. It is very tempting and almost a primal urge to go raw.

although i don’t partake in the hobby anymore, the idea of asking for bbfs definitely crossed my mind. I would be lying to say i didn’t fantasize about it with some girls. That being said it was just fantasy and i never asked any of the girls i saw for bbfs. I didn’t want to risk ruining a good thing, for 5 or 10 mins of extra pleasure. But I think if any of them had ever offered i would have taken the plunge. Would it be a smart thing to do, probably not, but if it’s too consenting parties opting into it, the risks are their own and they have to live with it. I dont think escorts or clients should be shamed for partaking in bbfs, assuming of course no extortion was involved and both parties were consenting. Yeah there are risks, but there are risks with condoms too. If you think condoms are some full proof shield that protects u from all the STIs you are just flat out wrong.

Chances are most escorts in montreal has done bareback with a client, and i guarantee a significant chunk was propositioned by the girl. The girls will never admit it but they have done it. Some girls will do it for more money, others will do it to keep loyal clientele and some will just do it cause they really like the client and are fine with dropping that boundary, cause guess what, girls love bb too! I have had escorts during my sessions talk about bareback unprovoked, saying how much better it is ext. Very well reviewed girls too.

what you have to remember is, this is a community that puts bbfs in a taboo. You get blacklisted and shunned for partaking in it. So obviously no one will admit to doing it or trying to get it, especially the girls. They can’t afford to be blacklisted by merb or by their agency and lose all that revenue. There are people on this forum who probably fuck escorts raw every other day and you will never know, cause why would they risk telling you? You guys are in a thought circle where the only voices allowed to speak are those against bbfs, so obviously it’s going to sound like so few people partake. For all you know that escort you saw last week who checked the condom 3 times let her sugar daddy fuck her raw the night before.

You might be like, well they are dumb cause they are putting themselves at risk. Well guess what, risk is subjective, everyone values things differently. You think some 50-60 year old with his best days behind him cares if he catches something? Nah man, to him getting to fuck 10/10 20 year olds raw is well worth the risk, a risk that again was never gone, just lessened by wearing protection. The risk is always there, always.

i think i went on a bit of a tangent but essentially what i’m trying to say is bb is the shit and there will always be people looking for it or willing to partake in it regardless of whether or not it is “safe” or not and there will always be escorts willing to go bb, they just won’t advertise it. This community is an eco chamber and doesn’t display the real reality of what escorts and clients do behind closed doors. Not everything is talked about and not everyone is dumb enough to get caught.

edit: for the record, i’m not saying bbfs should be encouraged or the norm. Obviously it’s in everyone’s best interest to use condoms. Just wanted to point out that many people are willing to take those risks, clients and providers alike and that this community does not actually represent how rampent unprotected sex is in this industry.
 
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You guys talking about this seems to have a negative effect in my life.

Last night, I had a nightmare dream about catching deadly STI and woke up in the middle of the night.
 

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You guys talking about this seems to have a negative effect in my life.

Last night, I had a nightmare dream about catching deadly STI and woke up in the middle of the night.
Most STI are not "deadly" in and of themselves but viral STI can cause cancer. The most common STI is chlamydia which is bacterial and easily cured with a course of Zithromax. The most concerning and potentially "deadly" STI is herpes which is a virus that can cause throat cancer. In fact one of my coworkers who had many women in his life died from throat cancer caused by an STI from eating too much pussy. And he never saw escorts. It was a truly horrible death as cancer spread to his lungs. I saw him the day before he passed and it wasn't pretty. Michael Douglas had the exact same cancer but he got treated and lived. Sometimes it recurs and sometimes not.

In the dream did you have a cancer in your throat? This in fact would be a nightmare and based on what I saw happen to my coworker maybe the worst possible death. You slowly choke to death as cancer takes over lungs.
 

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I am sorry but this is not correct. HPV (human papilloma virus) can lead to throat cancer. The most concerning STI is HIV. No doubt about that.
HPV is also responsible for cervical and Anal cancers . But most herpes viruses only cause mild to no symptoms for immuno competent people, including HPV. Most women and men have HPV and herpes 1-2 without even knowing. Also condoms do not protect against these viruses effectively like they do with HIV.
 
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I am sorry but this is not correct. HPV (human papilloma virus) can lead to throat cancer. The most concerning STI is HIV. No doubt about that.
You are right this was a brain fart on my part. I meant to say HPV not Herpes. What killed my coworker was HPV not herpes and I am not sure why I made that typo. Brain not fully engaged. As previously noted both are viruses but are very different.
 
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Just cover it up and pray.

Condoms are supposed to protect against most STIs. HPV and other contact STIs are like 2% chance of getting it from oral or something.
Not sure about that, you might want to read this:
"Around 1 in 4 mouth cancers and 1 in 3 throat cancers are HPV-related, but in younger patients most throat cancers are now HPV-related."
Covered intercourse is, undoubtedly, much safe than uncovered oral sex. Since I am mostly an uncovered mutual oral sex guy for most of my career the last 20 plus years also including girlfriends outside paid sex, I am guessing it's likely I have HPV and also probable that I am at risk for such cancers. I worry if I start coughing for no apparent reason or feel something off in my throat.
 
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By the way, there is a vaccine against HPV (Gardasil) that is now routinely administered to high school students. The vaccine must ideally be given before any sexual contact since it won't work if the person has already been infected with HPV (there are many strains at it is very common). It was initially marketed to prevent cervical cancers in women (which worked: the rates have dropped), but it also works for the prevention of anal, oropharyngeal and other head and neck cancers in men. I myself have gotten the three dose series a few years ago (I am in my early 30's).

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardasil
 
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By the way, there is a vaccine against HPV (Gardasil) that is now routinely administered to high school students. The vaccine must ideally be given before any sexual contact since it won't work if the person has already been infected with HPV (there are many strains at it is very common). It was initially marketed to prevent cervical cancers in women (which worked: the rates have dropped), but it also works for the prevention of anal, oropharyngeal and other head and neck cancers in men. I myself have gotten the three dose series a few years ago (I am in my early 30's).

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardasil
That is helpful for the younger crowd, for sure, but for the 50something old farts like me and many others here, it's too late. We unfortunately were not spoiled to have Gardasil, iPhones or Zoom available to us when we were in our 20s and 30s. For us, we have to do what envelopes suggested: pray. Good old fashioned prayer, and run to the doctor if there is a hacking or persistent cough or sore throat.
 
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MCTJ

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Good old fashioned prayer, and run to the doctor if there is a hacking or persistent cough or sore throat.
It's good that you are aware of the risks and being health conscious. Don't worry too much about it, since at this point, this is not something you control. Also, the link between HPV and throat cancer is a relatively recent discovery. So when you were my age, there was no way of knowing. My advice to everyone my age is: limit your number of oral sex partners and get vaccinated against HPV.
 
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