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Attempted theft on gouin, Just a heads up.

Richardhart

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Never a dull day in hobbyland.
This is just a brief heads up to warn any hobby adventurers..
I went to see this girl https://www.leolist.cc/personals/fe...eal_no_deception_beauty_tanya_incall-11516002
Tanya
438-812-0939
She claimed to be traveling from b.c (which partially added up because i found other ads with other pics of the same girl from kelowna)
Upon arrival on gouin near papineau, i knew something was off. My spidey senses said that a girl that fine would not be hosting in this building or area.
Then my mind played devils advocate telling myself that there are several very nice houses nearby and there are some that airbnb, maybe she got scammed on her airbnb and was just here for a day.
I took off my ring and necklace hiding it safely in my car and brought the exact amount, 180 with me, leaving my wallet and keys in my car. (Everyone should always do this out of precaution)
I asked her to come down to the lobby, saying that i found the location a bit odd.
She said ok, just come in the lobby and i will come meet you.
2 min later she texts "please just pay my security in advance"
At that exact moment a man walks in the lobby, black, muscular, around mid 30's.
He walks right up to me and says you are here for the girl, you must pay me in advance.
I let out a chuckle and say oh really, i have never heard of such a thing.
I was taken by surprise, the guy walked in seconds after that text, i hadn't even had time to process the text. I would have left right then anyways after reading a text like that.
He changes tone and made himself larger by spreading his shoulders and at this point his face became very serious.
He said 'stop playing games, i need the money right now, the 250$'
He seemed to be trying to intimidate me. I was taken by surprise, but by no means was i scared and to get my money out of my pocket he would have had to have a weapon or something, no way in hell will i just give money to a random man under any fckn circumstance ever !
It was then that i knew it was a scam, becayse i had booked 30 min at 180, not the 1 hour at 250.
I took a deep breath and contemplated.
He then said just pay me and i will take you upstairs.
I imagined me walking up with him only to enter an appartment full of more large black guys lol, yeah umm no thanks, i did not think walking up with this fellow was a good idea at all.
I basically told him that i am not paying shit, i am not paying in advance and i am not walking into any building with a man i dont know.
I said that i will only do 3 things.
I will walk out and go to my car and leave..
I will walk out and go to my car that is right in front with the 4 way flashers and press my key fob to pop my trunk and grab my aluminium bat or my crowbar and be back in 2 seconds.
Or i will give you 20$ for for troubles as a doorman and as security and i will be on my way.
Then i said it really waan't my best day and i am really REALLY not in the mood for any bullshit.
He did not like my response and he said, no you are going to give me the whole 250$.
I did not say another word and i very quickly swung the door open with all my pushing power and pressed my key fob twice in my pocket to pop my trunk automatically as i sped walked across gouin towards my car parked just on the other side of the street.
When i got to my car i turned around and the black guy was not in the lobby anymore, he either went into the building or came out and went somewhere close by.
I closed my trunk, hopped in my car and sped off.

It really was lucky circumstances that i was parked right in front with my hazards on and i played baseball over the weekend, so my bat was within very easy access. That crowbar was tucked far away, had i had to use it to defend myself, i would have been up shits creek. Also i am glad i did not have to defend myself or get into any type of altercation.


Its pretty obvious that there probably is no girl and the whole time you are texting with that black dude.
Be careful.
A friend of mine told me about a similar type of situation downtown at 3 in the morning.
My situation was early evening at 7pm with people walking their dogs and strolling in the evening breeze, quite brazen indeed to do such things when its not even fully dark out with impunity.

I say all this to warn people.
Some may get scared in a situation like this and give up.the money.. then what? The guy runs away? He brings you upstairs and leads you to a bait & switch or no girl at all? Or even worse, into an appartment full of other men?
Either way its all bad news.
Be careful out there, people are becoming desperate and with the laws in place that trudeau forced into vote, crime is rising and rampant, criminals have no fear because they know they will be released immediately even if caught.
"Since the Trudeau government passed Bills C-75 and C-5, which prioritized the release of violent repeat offenders and eliminated mandatory prison sentences for certain violent crimes, a wave of crime has swept the country. Most people arrested for anything other than attempted murder or murder are released the same day or the next.
 
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Halloween Mike

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I kinda wonder what is their goal in the end. I mean lets say the guy is a sucker and pay... Then what? Why would they bring him to the actual appartement? Steal more? As you say most peoples only carry the donation itself. I guess they could steal his cards if he bring his wallet and maybe the phone but then what?

I can understand the deposit scamming trough gift cards and such as even if it could be traced its not like police would bother.

But leading a guy to an appartement after you already stole from him seem like dark stuff happening...

Glad you got out of there but if the police is not contacted who knows what they could do to someone else...
 
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Never a dull day in hobbyland.
This is just a brief heads up to warn any hobby adventurers..
I went to see this girl https://www.leolist.cc/personals/fe...eal_no_deception_beauty_tanya_incall-11516002
Tanya
438-812-0939
She claimed to be traveling from b.c (which partially added up because i found other ads with other pics of the same girl from kelowna)
Upon arrival on gouin near papineau, i knew something was off. My spidey senses said that a girl that fine would not be hosting in this area.
Then my mind played devils advocate telling myself that there are several very nice houses nearby and there are some that airbnb, maybe she got scammed on her airbnb and was just here for a day.
I took off my ring and necklace hiding it safely in my car and brought the exact amount, 180 with me, leaving my wallet and keys in my car. (Everyone should always do this out of precaution)
I asked her to come down to the lobby, saying that i found the location a bit odd.
She said ok, just come in the lobby and i will come meet you.
2 min later she texts "please just pay my security in advance"
At that exact moment a man walks in the lobby, black, muscular, around mid 30's.
He walks right up to me and says you are here for the girl, you must pay me in advance.
I let out a chuckle and say oh really, i have never heard of such a thing.
I was taken by surprise, the guy walked in seconds after that text, i hadn't even had time to process the text. I would have left right then anyways after reading a text like that.
He changes tone and made himself larger by spreading his shoulders and at this point his face became very serious.
He said 'stop playing games, i need the money right now, the 250$'
He seemed to be trying to intimidate me. I was taken by surprise, but by no means was i scared and to get my money out of my pocket he would have had to have a weapon or something, no way in hell will i just give money to a random man under any fckn circumstance ever !
It was then that i knew it was a scam, becayse i had booked 30 min at 180, not the 1 hour at 250.
I took a deep breath and contemplated.
He then said just pay me and i will take you upstairs.
I imagined me walking up with him only to enter an appartment full of more large black guys lol, yeah umm no thanks, i did not think walking up with this fellow was a good idea at all.
I basically told him that i am not paying shit, i am not paying in advance and i am not walking into any building with a man i dont know.
I said that i will only do 3 things.
I will walk out and go to my car and leave..
I will walk out and go to my car that is right in front with the 4 way flashers and press my key fob to pop my trunk and grab my aluminium bat or my crowbar and be back in 2 seconds.
Or i will give you 20$ for for troubles as a doorman and as security and i will be on my way.
Then i said it really waan't my best day and i am really REALLY not in the mood for any bullshit.
He did not like my response and he said, no you are going to give me the whole 250$.
I did not say another word and i very quickly swung the door open with all my pushing power and pressed my key fob twice in my pocket to pop my trunk automatically as i sped walked across gouin towards my car parked just on the other side of the street.
When i got to my car i turned around and the black guy was not in the lobby anymore, he either went into the building or came out and went somewhere close by.
I closed my trunk, hopped in my car and sped off.

It really was lucky circumstances that i was parked right in front with my hazards on and i played baseball over the weekend, so my bat was within very easy access. That crowbar was tucked far away, had i had to use it to defend myself, i would have been up shits creek. Also i am glad i did not have to defend myself or get into any type of altercation.


Its pretty obvious that there probably is no girl and the whole time you are texting with that black dude.
Be careful.
A friend of mine told me about a similar type of situation downtown at 3 in the morning.
My situation was early evening at 7pm with people walking their dogs and strolling in the evening breeze, quite brazen indeed to do such things when its not even fully dark out with impunity.

I say all this to warn people.
Some may get scared in a situation like this and give up.the money.. then what? The guy runs away? He brings you upstairs and leads you to a bait & switch or no girl at all? Or even worse, into an appartment full of other men?
Either way its all bad news.
Be careful out there, people are becoming desperate and with the laws in place that trudeau forced into vote, crime is rising and rampant, criminals have no fear because they know they will be released immediately even if caught.
"Since the Trudeau government passed Bills C-75 and C-5, which prioritized the release of violent repeat offenders and eliminated mandatory prison sentences for certain violent crimes, a wave of crime has swept the country. Most people arrested for anything other than attempted murder or murder are released the same day or the next.
very scary, someone should book again and we all come like dozens of us when the black guy come up.
Jokes asides, another point for agencies I guess.
 
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I kinda wonder what is their goal in the end. I mean lets say the guy is a sucker and pay... Then what? Why would they bring him to the actual appartement? Steal more? As you say most peoples only carry the donation itself. I guess they could steal his cards if he bring his wallet and maybe the phone but then what?

I can understand the deposit scamming trough gift cards and such as even if it could be traced its not like police would bother.

But leading a guy to an appartement after you already stole from him seem like dark stuff happening...

Glad you got out of there but if the police is not contacted who knows what they could do to someone else...
I assume there is nothing upstairs, they'll just got the money and scare the guy off after getting it ...
 
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She claimed to be traveling from b.c (which partially added up because i found other ads with other pics of the same girl from kelowna)

This is actually a red flag to me considering the LL account is brand new. Providers rarely tour very early on in their career, the fact that a new account advertised in 2 cities completely oppsite ends of the country is more likely to mean one of two things :

1. The girl does exist but she has seasoned pimps that take her across the country

2. The girl does not exist and they're a group of men doing this in multiple places

And if the ads were by different accounts then the flag is even more red lol
 

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What a story! Thank you for taking the time to write. Some thoughts as I was reading:
The ad no longer has any photos. Maybe this confirms she was in on it or that the scammers need to lie low for a bit?

She claimed to be traveling from b.c (which partially added up because i found other ads with other pics of the same girl from kelowna)
Upon arrival on gouin near papineau, i knew something was off. My spidey senses said that a girl that fine would not be hosting in this area.
Good on you for cross-referencing. Just curious, what about the location made you wary? It doesn't seem to be a bad neighborhood, maybe just a little lower-middle class from what I see on Google Maps Streetview. Is my impression wrong? Or do you mean she seems too glam to find clients in such a suburban-like area?

Then my mind played devils advocate telling myself that there are several very nice houses nearby and there are some that airbnb, maybe she got scammed on her airbnb and was just here for a day.
lol, yes, I can see myself thinking that way too. It's good you are self-aware, even after the fact.

I took off my ring and necklace hiding it safely in my car and brought the exact amount, 180 with me, leaving my wallet and keys in my car. (Everyone should always do this out of precaution)
This stood out to me because of tipping. I'm usually a cheap bastard and just pay the rate, but I thought tipping was getting to be more of an issue. Or am I mistaken, and the standing rate is good enough?

I basically told him that i am not paying shit, i am not paying in advance and i am not walking into any building with a man i dont know.
I said that i will only do 3 things.
I will walk out and go to my car and leave..
I will walk out and go to my car that is right in front with the 4 way flashers and press my key fob to pop my trunk and grab my aluminium bat or my crowbar and be back in 2 seconds.
Or i will give you 20$ for for troubles as a doorman and as security and i will be on my way.
Way to keep your wits about you. I'm not sure I would have given $20, I would have just run for it. Besides, if you give $20, you have to take out your wallet, and that leaves you vulnerable to losing more. Years of travel in impoverished places taught me that!

I don't think they would have asked you to come up to the apartment and abused you. There's way more risk than reward in that. He probably would have told you to wait, went upstairs, and left you hanging there until you figured it out yourself.

It seems like it's a possibility he might have chased you, but you said it was "early evening at 7pm with people walking their dogs and strolling in the evening breeze," so doesn't that give you a bit of protection, you just needed to get out to the public?
 

Richardhart

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What a story! Thank you for taking the time to write. Some thoughts as I was reading:

The ad no longer has any photos. Maybe this confirms she was in on it or that the scammers need to lie low for a bit?


Good on you for cross-referencing. Just curious, what about the location made you wary? It doesn't seem to be a bad neighborhood, maybe just a little lower-middle class from what I see on Google Maps Streetview. Is my impression wrong? Or do you mean she seems too glam to find clients in such a suburban-like area?


lol, yes, I can see myself thinking that way too. It's good you are self-aware, even after the fact.


This stood out to me because of tipping. I'm usually a cheap bastard and just pay the rate, but I thought tipping was getting to be more of an issue. Or am I mistaken, and the standing rate is good enough?


Way to keep your wits about you. I'm not sure I would have given $20, I would have just run for it. Besides, if you give $20, you have to take out your wallet, and that leaves you vulnerable to losing more. Years of travel in impoverished places taught me that!

I don't think they would have asked you to come up to the apartment and abused you. There's way more risk than reward in that. He probably would have told you to wait, went upstairs, and left you hanging there until you figured it out yourself.

It seems like it's a possibility he might have chased you, but you said it was "early evening at 7pm with people walking their dogs and strolling in the evening breeze," so doesn't that give you a bit of protection, you just needed to get out to the public?
The ad still works for me and has photos
 
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Richardhart

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P.s i texted from a burner number and they are still using 3270 gouin east (i changed the adress to one very close by for privacys sake)
So its an ongoing thing, maybe this is always their area of operation.
Ad is still up and they have not changed numbers
 
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P.s i texted from a burner number and they are still using 3270 gouin east (i changed the adress to one very close by for privacys sake)
So its an ongoing thing, maybe this is always their area of operation.
Ad is still up and they have not changed numbers
Let's gather up and fuck them up lol
 

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P.s i texted from a burner number and they are still using 3270 gouin east (i changed the adress to one very close by for privacys sake)
So its an ongoing thing, maybe this is always their area of operation.
Ad is still up and they have not changed numbers
It time for you to wake up and stop putting your life in danger. Please stay away from these classified adds.
 
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Richardhart

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I have a simple question following this long, sad story.
Why continue to use LL?!?
I never have, never will.
I use merb, eros, tryst.
Very limited indy options of spinner'ish nature, hence the trial & errors of leolist.
We can focus on this rare instance of attempted theft, but of my last 50 LL encounters, 49 of them had no danger. A few were absolute gems too, many were mundane, but none had any danger.
Technically speaking those are the same odds as a merb users who uses merb advertised agencys and in the recent months just happened to be at the xo incall on the day that they were raided and clients were held for hours and interogated and had one heck of a bad day (if we are being fully honest)
I dont use agencys.
Thats why i continue to use LL.
 
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I use merb, eros, tryst.
Very limited indy options of spinner'ish nature, hence the trial & errors of leolist.

Technically speaking those are the same odds as a merb users who uses merb advertised agencys and in the recent months just happened to be at the xo incall on the day that they were raided and clients were held for hours and interogated and had one heck of a bad day (if we are being fully honest)
I dont use agencys.
Thats why i continue to use LL.
You must be wealthy and meet a lot more than me then cause there is so much Merb indies i want to meet but had not been able yet....

Were clients really detained? Its a part of the story that was not mentioned before. I mean we know the owner/bookers were arrested but did they do it during a shift? Did they really detained clients?
 

Richardhart

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You must be wealthy and meet a lot more than me then cause there is so much Merb indies i want to meet but had not been able yet....

Were clients really detained? Its a part of the story that was not mentioned before. I mean we know the owner/bookers were arrested but did they do it during a shift? Did they really detained clients?
There definitely was a news capsule on a french news station that spoke on the raid and how prior to the raid there was an extended investigation that included surveilling the work places and all people coming in and out of them.
And mention that there was a raid on work places during work time that included patrons that were in sessions with girls and also the homes of people involved.
I didnt really follow the rest, nor do i know why they were in trouble in the first place. I always thought girls were well treated there.
But being someone who is not too keen on agencys, it resonated with me that it must be a nightmare to be in a session and have your session interupted by a raid and then have to deal with that
 

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Gotta love the Trudeau bashing when you're chasing cheap 30min deals on LL lol.

Thanks for the warning, but I'm just not gonna partake in the cesspool.
 

Richardhart

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Gotta love the Trudeau bashing when you're chasing cheap 30min deals on LL lol.

Thanks for the warning, but I'm just not gonna partake in the cesspool.
There is no bashing in my post.
Trudeau did apply pressure and was very adamant in passing bill c-75 and c-5.
That is not an opinion, it is a fact.
And these bills oblige every province to release criminals arrested on any charge including violent crimes within 24 hours of being arrested. This is also not opinion, it is fact.
(Also fun fact, a lad was arrested for armed assault causing leisures and hospitalisation of another man and released with promise to attend his upcoming court date and within 24 hours was caught after armed robbery in a convenience store, then again released with promise to attend his now 2 upcoming court dates and within a week was again arrested while driving a stolen vehicle etc.
Hundreds of similar situations happen across canada and criminals are all just released almost instantly due to c-75 & c-5.
*With the exception of murder or very aggressive cases of attempted murder and cases of aggrivated assaults with weapons on multiple victims but not if it is a single victim.
Prior to these bills/laws, criminals who were caught would spend weeks or months in custody while awaiting court trials/hearings/sentencings and were nor always eligible for release with or without bail.
Today a criminal could home invade your home tonight armed with a prohibited firearm, tie up your family, steal your valuables, attack your children and harm them and be arrested and be free to roam around and sleep in his bed the next day (with promise to not go near your home and to appear in court once he receives his court date in the mail)

It has nothing to do with trudeau bashing. I have no opinions of trudeau.
You have never nor will you ever see me mention politics or approve or criticize any side of politics.
Stating "since these laws that trudeau put in place" is not bashing.
Trudeau was instrumental in these 2 laws being passed and these 2 laws have without a doubt increased crime and especially increased the amount of repeat offenders
 
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