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All I've heard is a few tapes of people leaving ugly messages on the voicemail of Democrats. They could be anyone - disturbed mental patients, white supremacists or perhaps imposters hired by Democrats to discredit the Tea Party movement.

No need for the Democrats or anyone else to discredit the Tea Party hillbillies. They're doing just fine discrediting themselves. They're actually quite good at it! :D
 

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Well, let's see...Bush started a war that's killed 100,000s of people and had no good reason to do so. In fact, he based the start of the war on a pack of lies. So, yes, he's a killer and a war criminal.

I totally agree with you & would like to add that a case could be made that George W. Bush was as big a terrorist as Osama Bin Laden ever was. Tell the innocents in Iraq that George W. Bush isn't a terrorist. Heck, tell the families of those poor american soldiers who lost their lives (and limbs) in that made-up war for no good reason that George W. Bush isn't a terrorist.

As for those people calling Barak Obama either a communist or socialist, i find that hillarious! :D

Most of those folks don't even know what the hell a communist or socialist really is. They watch too much tv!
 

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There are many VALID concerns of racism in the GOP, and in the Tea Party in general. To be clear, I'm not saying that ALL of them are racists, nor that ALL of them are violent.

But to deny that "I've not seen" or "it is just the 1st amendment" is flat out absurd and ignorant.

The RNC issued it's own statement condemning it. A simple three min. Google search would find you many examples of very disturbing images and people behaving like animals.

Within the party itself, you have people looking for political points like FLA Gov Charlie Chirst, who proudly announced his endorsement of Bud Day who says things like...

"You know, we just got through (electing) a politician who can run his mouth at Mach 1, a black one, and now we have a Hispanic who can run his mouth at Mach 1. You look at their track records and they're both pretty gritty.

You've got the black one with the reading thing. He can go as fast as the speed of light and has no idea what he's saying."

Or candidates like Aleq Boyle in Georgia who tweet things like... "If we got Change in 2008, I hope we don't Re-Nig in 2012".

Then you have the the "humour" item's... the "Barack the Magic Negro" cd's, or the beautiful picture sent "to the wrong list" from the Tenn GOP office...
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/44presidents1.jpg

Or much simpler things you could do yourself, like making a headcount of people of color in ALL of the tea party videos you watch... you'll need one of your hands.

So, if you find it shocking that people can make the mental jump from those comments, images, etc. to the standard rhetoric of the modern day KKK (and just to be clear not the extreme actions that they take nor to the level that they are willing to show their hatred), or that you think that it is not disturbing, or more common and prevalent than you think, then I suggest that you really need to take a deep and serious look at yourselves and your motives... because the majority of the rest of the world certainly will.

Finally, I'm not accusing anyone on this board of anything beyond spreading nonsensical, talking point bullshit to try and make a case for their party of choice, nor am I saying that there is any justification for this type of hatred or fear mongering -- regardless of party. The Dems have had their moments with the Robert Byrd types.

If you decide to blame the media on glorifying these things ONLY to right leaning people then so be it, that in and of itself does not make it true, nor a valid excuse to defend anyone's actions, especially in 2010.
 

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Hello Daydreamer,

Frankly, I don't see where or how who got how many votes matters. The fact is President Obama got it passed and President Clinton did not. The result itself shows the Republicans missed their opportunity to make this health care legislation more conservative. And the fact is Obama wanted Republican particiaption. The ultra-Left may not have, but Obama did. The Republicans had am open door to participate. It was the ultra-Conservatives who refused and kept all Republicans from participating. The simple fact is there was no way the Conservatives were ever going to participate because they totally disagree philosophically. No matter if they had the oppoortunity to join in or not, they were never going to in any case. So even if you were right about them not being "allowed any input", which you are not, that is a dodge since the Conservatives never wanted the opportunity.

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Your wrong. You did not see the 8 hour joke of a summit held after the House and the Senate Bills were written. Obama and the Democrats spent their time shooting down the Republican suggestions except for a couple which never got into the bill because the bill was already written. The Democrats which have a solid majority in the House had trouble with their own members. They had to twist arms and bribe to pass this fiasco. If you ever read it, you will see why it is not good legislation, but like everyone else, Merlot, you have never read, and I guess you will have to wait for the chaos to happen.
 

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Well, let's see...Bush started a war that's killed 100,000s of people and had no good reason to do so. In fact, he based the start of the war on a pack of lies. So, yes, he's a killer and a war criminal. The Nazi bit doesn't hold water.

Obama just passed a sweeping health care reform bill that completely left the health insurance industry in private hands. On what rational basis can you call him a communist?

I suppose you can call Obama anything you want, but you'd be wrong to call him anything but a centrist Democrat who just passed a bill with the same health care mandate that the Republicans proposed 17 years ago.

Do you Lefties have a string on your backs and everyso often you Yell "Bush lied, blah, blah, blah .... " That's all I hear from Leftists. Obama is no centrists. He was rated the most Liberal Senator in the Senate he was there. Even more Liberal than King Leftie Ted Kennedy. Stop exaggerating. Please, it's too funny.

Plus, I guess straight up Barack never lies? (No, he lies all the time ... but you never notice).
 
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Well, let's see...Bush started a war that's killed 100,000s of people and had no good reason to do so. In fact, he based the start of the war on a pack of lies. So, yes, he's a killer and a war criminal. The Nazi bit doesn't hold water.

Obama just passed a sweeping health care reform bill that completely left the health insurance industry in private hands. On what rational basis can you call him a communist?

I suppose you can call Obama anything you want, but you'd be wrong to call him anything but a centrist Democrat who just passed a bill with the same health care mandate that the Republicans proposed 17 years ago.
The last I checked the majority of Democractic Congress and Senate also voted to attack Iraq. Check out all the quotes from the likes of Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and Ted Kennedy. Why is Bush solely to blame? The war was actually started by the ineptness of the United Nations to enforce sanctions against Iraq. The US got tired of all the posturing, the corruption and the downright incompetence of the fellow UN member countries. European cockroaches are as much to blame for the US' actions as the US themselves. The left once again shows their lack of knowledge in the geopolitical arena.
I'm not saying the war was the right thing and it goes down as a huge black mark on the Bush presidency. But you have to remember it was the US, not Canada, not France, not Germany, who was attacked on 9/11. I think emotions got in the way of rational thinking.
 

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No need for the Democrats or anyone else to discredit the Tea Party hillbillies. They're doing just fine discrediting themselves. They're actually quite good at it!

They must have taken good notes from observing the anti-war anti-Bush protestors :D
 

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I totally agree with you & would like to add that a case could be made that George W. Bush was as big a terrorist as Osama Bin Laden ever was. Tell the innocents in Iraq that George W. Bush isn't a terrorist. Heck, tell the families of those poor american soldiers who lost their lives (and limbs) in that made-up war for no good reason that George W. Bush isn't a terrorist.

As for those people calling Barak Obama either a communist or socialist, i find that hillarious! :D

Most of those folks don't even know what the hell a communist or socialist really is. They watch too much tv!

Gee, Doc, educate us what Socialism and Communism are. Government taking over industries, like GM, or the student loan industry, is that Socialism?

Who are your top 10 favorite Communists? top 10 favorite Socialists?
 
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The Republicans had am open door to participate. It was the ultra-Conservatives who refused and kept all Republicans from participating. The simple fact is there was no way the Conservatives were ever going to participate because they totally disagree philosophically. No matter if they had the oppoortunity to join in or not, they were never going to in any case.

Since Day 1 that President Obama has held the title, the Republicans have made it their mission to delegitimize the Obama Presidency. This is no big secret. So there was no way they'd support anything that his government would come up with, even though it would benefit the entire country. All the dying party has accomplished so far is to continue their lying, slander & fear tactics in order to reach their ultimate goal. The Republican Party as a whole has failed its nation tremendously. As for the Tea Party, they have brought nothing but shame to their fellow countrymen (even though many still don't realize this & will once they've stopped drinking the kool-aid) & i'm positive history will prove me right with the statement(s) i've just made.

As for the terrorist George W. Bush & his cronies (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld & company), i'm still astonished that they still haven't been brought on charges of 'crimes against humanity' in front of the World Tribunal.
 
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No need for the Democrats or anyone else to discredit the Tea Party hillbillies. They're doing just fine discrediting themselves. They're actually quite good at it! :D

Where are those tapes Docs of the Tea Party People (Not hillbillies) saying the "N" word? There are none, because none of the Tea Party People said the N word. It was made up by the Dems. Lies, Doc, Lies. Or do Dems not lie?
 

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I just want to know if Obama perfers his escorts GFE or is he totally safe? Also, does he have a dollar limit or does he stick strictly to HDH?

Good question. He sure does travel alot. He must go HDH. A few thousand is nothing to his expense account. The debt ceiling is a couple of trillion away.
 

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Since Day 1 that President Obama has held the title, the Republicans have made it their mission to delegitimize the Obama Presidency. This is no big secret. So there was no way they'd support anything that his government would come up with, even though it would benefit the entire country. All the dying party has accomplished so far is to continue their lying, slander & fear tactics in order to reach their ultimate goal. The Republican Party as a whole has failed its nation tremendously. As for the Tea Party, they have brought nothing but shame to their fellow countrymen (even though many still don't realize this & will once they've stopped drinking the kool-aid) & i'm positive history will prove me right with the statement(s) i've just made.

As for the terrorist George W. Bush & his cronies (Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld & company), i'm still astonished that they still haven't been brought on charges of 'crimes against humanity' in front of the World Tribunal.

You do not talk like a Moderate. Terrorist George Bush and cronies?

Obama;s agenda will put the US out of business. Trillion dollar healthcare bill, Cap and Trade, Nationalized Student loan. Obama is putting the country in the path of ruin ... history will not prove you right, because history is on the side of the Republicans. No society has survived an onslaught of reckless spending. From Rome to Wiemer Republic to modern day Zimbanwe, and next maybe Greece.
 

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Good question. He sure does travel alot. He must go HDH. A few thousand is nothing to his expense account. The debt ceiling is a couple of trillion away.

I'd like to ask the same question to RNC chairman Michael Steele. But then again, we might soon get the answer. Or maybe not.
 

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The real question here is, do Tea Party escorts see clients of all backgrounds or are they just racists also? Is the thing a YMMV thing? Do they charge extra? Do they tour Montreal? If so, are their rates the same as in US?

CS, why don`t you do a survey of the SP preferences of Tea Partiers, Leftist War Protestors, and report back to us.
 

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Originally Posted by Below500k
There are many VALID concerns of racism in the GOP, and in the Tea Party in general. To be clear, I'm not saying that ALL of them are racists, nor that ALL of them are violent.

Below500K, Just because you put words in CAPS, doesn't turn fiction into fact. I bet you can't back up your statement.

Name the violent or acts of Republicans or Tea Party members.

I can name several violent acts by Leftists:

Leon Czolgosz, assassin of President William McKinley.
Lee Harvey Oswald, assasin of President John Kennedy.
Bill Ayers, as part of the Weatherman bombed many public and federal buildings in which 2 people died.
Joanne Chesimard, a member of the Black Liberation Army who killed NJ trooper Rich Fuentes. Chesmaird is still a fugitive in Cuba.
Puerto Rican Armed Forces of National Liberation whose sentences were commuted by Bill Clinton. They were convicted of setting 120 bombs in the US.

Where's your list?
 

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I can't help wondering if Tea Party members know of their nickname: Teabaggers and are aware of the meaning.

It's a crude nickname given to them by a crude bunch.
 

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Do you own reasearch DD, I made my point very slowly, clear and concisously so that it may sink in. I will no longer waste time on your requests because as I've said many times, you are more interested in deflecting a conversation to make a ridiculous point about an unrelated subjects, or time in history, or whatever. I've said many times that it is not a right or left thing, it is just a wrong thing. I'd be happy to discuss anything relevant.

I'll re-copy my viewpoint here (which was actually not even discussing your posts to begin with), in hope that maybe one day, when you are older, still living freely in your democratic country, (with gov't run social security and Medicare part L), you may teach it to a young person...

"So, if you find it shocking that people can make the mental jump from those comments, images, etc. to the standard rhetoric of the modern day KKK (and just to be clear not the extreme actions that they take nor to the level that they are willing to show their hatred), or that you think that it is not disturbing, or more common and prevalent than you think, then I suggest that you really need to take a deep and serious look at yourselves and your motives... because the majority of the rest of the world certainly will."
 
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Do you own reasearch DD, I made my point very slowly, clear and concisously so that it may sink in. I will no longer waste time on your requests because as I've said many times, you are more interested in deflecting a conversation to make a ridiculous point about an unrelated subjects, or time in history, or whatever. I've said many times that it is not a right or left thing, it is just a wrong thing. I'd be happy to discuss anything relevant.

I'll re-copy my viewpoint here (which was actually not even discussing your posts to begin with), in hope that maybe one day, when you are older, still living freely in your democratic country, (with gov't run social security and Medicare part L), you may teach it to a young person...

"So, if you find it shocking that people can make the mental jump from those comments, images, etc. to the standard rhetoric of the modern day KKK (and just to be clear not the extreme actions that they take nor to the level that they are willing to show their hatred), or that you think that it is not disturbing, or more common and prevalent than you think, then I suggest that you really need to take a deep and serious look at yourselves and your motives... because the majority of the rest of the world certainly will."

Because you can't back up what you say, or you would.
 
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