Bill Clinton And The Pedophile

[Octavian]

Bill sure knows how to pick his friends.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/ar...could-destroy-hillarys-presidential-ambitions

 

[Octavian]

Why would Clinton hang around with a man convicted of having sex with a 14 year old? Would you?

 

[blkone]

Not only is there no proof that Prince Andrew or President Clinton had sex with underaged women, but the primary female in question was a jet setting 17 year old. While Epstein certainly went way too young, if you read the case you will find that one of the reasons the court was lenient on him was that the teenagers who went to his mansion in their own cars and were paid quite well for the services they consented to. Most U.S. states have an age of consent of 16 or 17 for non commercial sex, but raise the penalty for prostitution if she is not 18, which was what Epstein was convicted for..

You see nothing wrong with men in positions of high authority paying girls young enough to be their grandchildren for sex? Really?

 

[daydreamer41]

I get sick of the media's politically motivated sensationalist bullshit. Not only is there no proof that Prince Andrew or President Clinton had sex with underaged women, but the primary female in question was a jet setting 17 year old. While Epstein certainly went way too young, if you read the case you will find that one of the reasons the court was lenient on him was that the teenagers who went to his mansion in their own cars and were paid quite well for the services they consented to. Most U.S. states have an age of consent of 16 or 17 for non commercial sex, but raise the penalty for prostitution if she is not 18, which was what Epstein was convicted for.

You see nothing wrong with men in positions of high authority paying girls young enough to be their grandchildren for sex? Really?

I have the same question for Patron. The Felony count of soliciting prostitution that Epstein was convicted for involved a 14-year-old girl. The grand jury did receive evidence of other girls under 18 but not as young as 14 that Epstein paid for sexual services. He was not indicted for those counts. And Epstein is a registered sex offender.

As for Prince Andrew and anyone else accused, there is a suit that has been brought against Prince Andrew and now a counter-suit against Alan Dershowitz. We'll have to see where it goes. You can't blame the media for covering it giving the lurid history of Prince Andrew, Stephen Hawking and Bill Clinton's friend, Jeffrey Epstein.

 

[daydreamer41]

Why would Clinton hang around with a man convicted of having sex with a 14 year old? Would you?

Patron, one more time. Do you condone a man paying to have sexual contact with a 14-year-old? This girl that Epstein got convicted for was 14, not 17.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-epstein-billionaire-pedophile-goes-free.html

The Palm Beach Police Department identified 17 local girls who had contact with Epstein before the age of consent; the youngest was 14, and many were younger than 16. And that was just at one of Epstein’s many homes around the world—he also owns property in New York, Santa Fe, Paris, London, and the Caribbean. Subsequent investigation by the FBI, reaching as far back as 2001, indentified roughly 40 victims, not counting Nadia Marcinkova, whom Epstein referred to as his “Yugoslavian sex slave” because he had imported her from the Balkans at age 14. Now 24, Marcinkova became a member of the household and is alleged to have participated in the sexual contact with underage girls.

I would certainly prefer a world in which all sex workers were 18 or over, but when a case occurs when they are not, a certain level of judgement has to come into play as to mitigating circumstances. I can see a difference between the punishment for a high school volleyball coach seducing a 17 year old and telling her he loves her, versus a 17 year-old who drives herself to a guy's house with the knowledge that she is going to perform a consensual sex act for compensation. That is what I was trying to point out regarding why Epstein's sentence was relatively lenient. The court appeared to accept those mitigating circumstances and allowed him to plead to soliciting an underage prostitute. We all, hopefully, disapprove of sex with a minor, but not every case is exactly the same.

There is no evidence that Clinton or Prince Andrew participated in any sex act, especially any sex act with a minor. So the media should not try to insinuate something with no proof.

With respect to compensated sex by a person with someone young enough to be his daughter, what the hell kind of comment is that on an escort message board? That scenario happens every few hours in the Review Thread. Do you guys think politicians and Royals should not be treated the same as us? If so, I do not think I would like the kind of politicians that would be elected - they might all be like Mackay and say everyone doing a review is a pervert or something like that!

 

[hungry101]

I would certainly prefer a world in which all sex workers were 18 or over, but when a case occurs when they are not, a certain level of judgement has to come into play as to mitigating circumstances. I can see a difference between the punishment for a high school volleyball coach seducing a 17 year old and telling her he loves her, versus a 17 year-old who drives herself to a guy's house with the knowledge that she is going to perform a consensual sex act for compensation. That is what I was trying to point out regarding why Epstein's sentence was relatively lenient. The court appeared to accept those mitigating circumstances and allowed him to plead to soliciting an underage prostitute. We all, hopefully, disapprove of sex with a minor, but not every case is exactly the same.

I too hate the fucking media with a passion. When I think of the media images appear of the pool of 36 reporters and photographers that sat in some parking lot in Ferguson trying to incite a dozen "protesters" at 2am to do something newsworthy. The media got their wish when the grand jury decided not to indite...but I digress.

I agree with Patron. This doesn't sound very innocent to me. Remember a few years ago when the media was running stories about thousands of underage dancers in the Atlanta area alone. They start dancing in clubs at 14 and then it is on to prostitution by 16. Bull shit! There was s discussion on TER. We all felt that we could distinguish a 14-15 year old from an adult and yet none of us remembered seeing an obvious underage girl dancing. Then the escorts chimed in that were former dancers. They said that each dancer had to get a license from the state and that license hung in the managers office. Yet, there is a belief among the general public in Atlanta that there are thousands upon thousands of underage dancers and prostitutes in the Atlanta area.

There are a few underaged prostitutes. Many are cunning, sexually aware girls that have been entrapped by mass marketers and want for all the comforts of capitalism. Their body is a way to get it. This is my belief.

 

[saltydog]

Patron, here in the States up till this week you could not find an article about this. Only since the Brit royalty got involved, and then Clinton is white washed. If it was the other party it would be a different matter.

 

[hungry101]

Octavian, the only thing you are proving is your hate of so-called Libs is so bad you'll do and use anything to smear them.

Really, I put him on ignore because I thought he was a fucking communist.

Let's not mistake this for professionally educated and trained newsmen.

Merlot

I trust you read the book "Bias"? I am close to a few people that went to major journalism schools. You had better think one way.

 

[lgna69xxx]

The headline reads Bill Clinton And The Pedophile: The Sex Scandal That Could Destroy Hillary’s Presidential Ambitions

Let's hope the last 4 words come to fruition. As for Willie, his "little Willie" does the thinking for him, always has and always will, thanks a lot Viagra.

 

[daydreamer41]

Do you condone anyone having sex with children DayDreamer? Please answer the question. Hmmmm, how does it feel? No one condones it and to imply anyone meant to say any such thing is a sickness. The question is, is there any real truth in this garbage pushed by a Clinton hater...like you pal.

Cheers,

Merlot

Oh, Merlot, of course I don't condone underage sex nor do I make excuses for it.

If you read the entire thread (and I know you haven't), you would see that. Someone could say by reading what Patron wrote that Patron was excusing prostitution under 18 since many of those girls were over the age of consent like 16 or 17) but I and I doubt Patron knows what the law is in Florida).

Now, to educate you Merlot, it is against a felony in the most, if not all US states and a more serious charge in Canada than the basic C-36 buying prostitution is to buy sex from a person under 18. The legislatures did this to prevent persons they thought were too young (who could be manipulated easier) to enter the sex trade.

Do you condone underage sex Merlot? Or sex with someone under 18 who you are buying sex from? Tell us your experiences, Merlot.

 

[daydreamer41]

The headline reads Bill Clinton And The Pedophile: The Sex Scandal That Could Destroy Hillary’s Presidential Ambitions

Let's hope the last 4 words come to fruition. As for Willie, his "little Willie" does the thinking for him, always has and always will, thanks a lot Viagra.

Careful lggy, you don't want to be labeled a Clinton hater or sick by the pro-Clintonestas here on merb. I secretly hope for the destruction of Hilary's ambitions also, but like I said, it's a secret.

 

[hungry101]

If you read the entire thread (and I know you haven't), you would see that. Someone could say by reading what Patron wrote that Patron was excusing prostitution under 18 since many of those girls were over the age of consent like 16 or 17) but I and I doubt Patron knows what the law is in Florida).

Now, to educate you Merlot, it is against a felony in the most, if not all US states and a more serious charge in Canada than the basic C-36 buying prostitution is to buy sex from a person under 18. The legislatures did this to prevent persons they thought were too young (who could be manipulated easier) to enter the sex trade.
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I don't think any of us condone sex with underaged girls. Patron was merely stating that there are mitigating circumstances and there is some culpability on the part of the so called victims in this case. I agree.

 

[daydreamer41]

Ok everybody, including Patron, etc.

The age of consent in Florida where this took place for an adult 24 or over is 18. If the adult is 18 to 23, he or she can have sex legally with a minor of the ages of 16 or 17 only. Otherwise, in all cases it is statutory rape.

http://www.age-of-consent.info/states/Florida

So are you telling me that Jeffrey Epstein had no reason to believe that these girls were not under 18? The one who is now suing everyone was 15 when she met Epstein. The girl Epstein was convicted of paying and having an erotic massage with was 14.

How can you blame this on the victims (underage girls in Florida who persons over 24 cannot have sex) if there were so many of these girls present? The law puts the culpability on the adults, not the juveniles. Like Jack Nicholson's character Murphy said in One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest "Doc, she was 15 going on 30" ... Murphy was still committed to the psycho ward. You don't any points for a girls visual maturity when it comes to the courts. This is the case in Canada and the US.

 

[daydreamer41]

Actually, DayDreamer you are going to have to enlighten me as to the legislative purpose of having a different Age Of Consent for free sex and compensated sex.

I DO NOT condone sex between someone 18 years of age or older, and someone younger than 18, if for no other reason than the lifelong harm the U.S. legal system can cause. Just ask Kaitlyn, the high school senior whose life was derailed by falling for the high school freshman. If the police will do that to a high school senior, they will destroy the life of an adult man.

But that does not keep me from saying that the U.S. sex laws are seriously fucked up. If a 16 of 17 year old can consent to sex with someone 18 or over in a "non-paid" sex act, why do most states with under-18 age of consent laws make it a crime (sometimes a felony) for the adult john who pays that same 16 of 17 year-old for sex. In the latter scenario, she at least got money out of the deal. I have never been able to figure that one out. But there are a lot of laws I can't figure out.

I posted the legal age of consent in Florida in my last post. It is statutory rape for most of us if we engage in sex for pay or no pay in the state of Florida because most of us are over 24.

The fact that she got money out of the deal is immaterial because the state legislature of whatever state you want to be in has its own laws and in many states like New York for instance (remember Lawrence Taylor) they up the age for consent in prostitution because they don't think a girl under 18 is mature enough to make the decision of engaging in prostitution.

I guess their rationale (and I agree with it) is that high school age girls are not equipped to handle the rough life of prostitution because of pimps, drugs, etc. Of course, all prostitution is illegal (except in a few countries in Nevada), but the law makes additional penalties for those who engage those under the deemed legal age. A lot of runaways become prostitutes. They are under 18 years of age. Ok, they receive money, but how do you know where that money goes? And is it not better if these girls were either back home or in a foster home?

I asked you if you condoned underage sex because Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of prostitution with a minor. The girl was 14. I take your word that your are against underage sex. However, because prostitution can be a seedy business we have to be aware of situations where girls under 18 may be involved. We can't participate.

 

[lgna69xxx]

I have never been a Bill Clinton Hater. I think he would be fun to hang out with in Montreal for a evening of clubbing and what not as long as "little willy" was not making the choices :nono: Big Bill would use his real head and pick the 18 and over clubs, Little Wil not so sure after reading that article

Careful lggy, you don't want to be labeled a Clinton hater or sick by the pro-Clintonestas here on merb. I secretly hope for the destruction of Hilary's ambitions also, but like I said, it's a secret.

 

[daydreamer41]

You're blindly unthinking.

Merlot

And you're the number 1 comedy relief on another sex board. :lol:

 

[daydreamer41]

DD,

Tell us all why you and Octavian have not brought up any of the other numerous incidents of underage sex in a very long time until this episode. Your alleged caring is phony. This is an opportunity for you and the like to chase a Clinton connection. That is the end of your "caring".

Cheers,

Merlot

Merlot, you are grasping at straws and are looking like a fool at the moment. I read something someone (Patron) wrote in this thread and I responded to it. For you to conclude otherwise is idiocy and unfounded. But your charade goes on.

 

[daydreamer41]

Daydreamer, thanks for the additional data point. Kaitlyn did not qualify for the Romeo and Juliette exception because the high school freshman was 15. Had she been 16, Kaitlyn and most college girls could have participated in cunnilingus with her, but not everyone over 18 in a non-paid encounter.

I did not look up Florida's prostitution law, but I suspect it is like most state laws that create enhanced penalties for any compensated sex encounter when the person being paid is under 18.

But I use the Kaitlyn case to illustrate that it is very difficult to draw bright lines on this stuff, and the U.S. Sex laws are a mess. I think you always have to consider the facts and consider mitigating circumstances. I think what Epstein did was wrong, but realistically there are much worse sex crimes with more devastating impacts to the victims than this one.

Patron, there is a big difference between then 16 year old Kaitlyn Hunt and her 15 year old lover and Jeffrey Epstein, whomever else joined him (Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Hillary (for your enjoyment, Merlot), Steven Hawkings etc.) and the under 18 year old teeny boopers. Epstein was in his 50s. And I have to think that Epstein has a fetish for young girls and perhaps is a pedophile giving that there were so many at his property.

 

[daydreamer41]

Strictly speaking, the cut-off for being defined as a pedophile is attraction to those 13 and younger.

Looks like Epstein clears at least that barrier. I think there is a term for attraction to those 14-17 but not as many readers click on the link when they use that term in an article that includes the word Clinton.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

You are correct, 15 would not be Pedophilia territory, but I am sure if you have a 14 yr old daughter, you wouldn't want her to mess around with 40 to 60 year olds.

 

[squeegee]

I think there is a term for attraction to those 14-17

Ephebophilia

From Greek " éphêbos " which means "teen" .