Café Cléopâtre “This isn't heritage. It's just a nude dance club.”

[CLOUD 500]

The thing is, EB, that he literally has no place to go because there is a moratorium on new stricp clubs in the city of Montreal. So if, actually when, Cleo's closes, he will not be able to re-open his business in another location no matter what he is willing and ableto pay in rent or spend to purchase a building. A restaurant can re-locate, a regular bar can re-locate, a grocery store can re-locate, just about any business can re-locate but a strip club cannot.

When Cleo's closes, it closes for good. And if he is trying to hold up the city for whatever he can get out of it, whatever way he has to, well good for him. No one deserves to have their business that they have owned and run for over twenty years literally stolen out from under him by the government. Especially to put up an office tower for a government corporation when it can easily build it in many other areas of the city without evicting any businesses at all.

I do not understand what is the reason for this moratorium. I did a seach in google with these key words and could not find any information that would explain it. What is the reason behind this?

 

[CLOUD 500]

I have heard about this moratorium but how is it that the 281 club was able to move after UQAM pushed it out?
Isn't the Kingdom club the old Scandale bar under another name after UQAM pushed it out also?
Is this moratorium a new regulation? Does it apply to existing clubs that simply move?
Captain out!

I am not sure about that. All I do know is that Kingdom and Scandale have the same owner. Kingdom was opened I think maybe in 2005 and at the same time Scandale was still open. Then maybe a year after the building where Scandale was all gone. There was a big space there. Not sure wha happened to it whether it got burned or it was demolished. I am very curious as to what happened. Maybe the next time I go to Kingdom I will ask someone there maybe someone might know something. As for the Moratorium I did find something on the Internet that it applies to Ste-Catherine St along the downtown core.

 

[HornyForEver]

Hello HFE,

Are you insinuating that MERB moderators are corrupt? If so, I am expecting you to provide proof to back up this statement. If not, or if you cannot back up your statement, I expect the comment to be removed and an apology issued to all moderators. I have a very low tolerance for such accusations and if you cannot back up your statement and do not retract it, a long suspension will be forthcoming.

Mod 8

Hello Mod8,

Of course I am not insinuating that all Mods on MERB are corrupt and not even some of them. I don't really know how did you deduce that from my post, I am having a hard time following your logic.

 

[johndoe]

Here is another (latest) short opinion on the subject.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/letters/Demolishing+past/2390405/story.html

Demolishing is the right word...

 

[Morocco Mole]

Historic site or not.

The place just does not fit into the villes plans, so historic site or not, one way or another they will get it for their own needs

 

[johndoe]

The place just does not fit into the villes plans, so historic site or not, one way or another they will get it for their own needs

But I think this (PLANS) is the problem... the city's plans should be to improve the already LACKING services (streets, infrastrure of highways, waterworks, snow removal)...NOT to expropriate (decide) the company or person that should remain in business based on what it deems appropriate...I think that is the role of the consumer/people as a whole ....

I think this is a good law case if it ever gets there? Any lawyers?

 

[YouVantOption]

He's expressing his opinion.
His right, no ?

By your logic I have the right to post that in my opinion you rummage in the trash for used fuckdolls which you bring home to add to your collection.

Hello Mod8,

Of course I am not insinuating that all Mods on MERB are corrupt and not even some of them. I don't really know how did you deduce that from my post, I am having a hard time following your logic.

Your original statement was

Yet another corrupted Mod?

.

The use of the phrase 'yet another' indicates that you believe there are others. MOD 8 is simply asking for proof or an apology.

 

[Mr. Spock]

While I do enjoy going there once or twice a yar, I will not miss it much when it is gone. The whole industry is fading into the past.

 

[johndoe]

Club Opera now closing shop as well...so that really leaves Cleos on its own!!!

 

[HornyForEver]

The use of the phrase 'yet another' indicates that you believe there are others. MOD 8 is simply asking for proof or an apology.

OK, fair enough, I have edited my post accordingly. I have the courage to admit my mistakes on the boards when I do some and I wish that some have the same attitude.

To Roland, I am really sorry that you had to take the heat for me on this one.

 

[YouVantOption]

OK, fair enough, I have edited my post accordingly. I have the courage to admit my mistakes on the boards when I do some and I wish that some have the same attitude.

Really? You left your lousy little accusation posted from 01-02-2010 11:55 PM until 01-11-2010 06:42 AM, almost 8 days. Where's the apology to the moderators for accusing them of being corrupt? Where's that courage you are patting yourself on the back for having, when it comes to apologizing to people you disparaged and libelled??

 

[johndoe]

Latest news

http://www.radio-canada.ca/regions/Montreal/2010/01/20/004-vente-terrains-sda.shtml

 

[CaptainPicard]

I was told that Richard Martineau of the Franc-tireurs, Télé-Québec went down to Cléo's to film a piece. Muscular Claudia and Linda (daytime) are among those interviewed on Cléo's fate. Check your local listings.
J'ai su que Richard Martineau des Franc-tireurs, à Télé-Québec est allé filmer un reportage au Cléo. Claudia la musclée et Linda (de jour) sont parmi celles qui ont été interviewées sur le sort du Cléo. Surveillez votre télé horaire.
Le Captaine!

 

[Marie Montreal]

Oui, Martineau était bien au Cléo ce vendredi. Il a aussi interviewé des artistes qui performaient lors de la soirée fétiche ainsi que des membres de la Coalition pour sauver le Cléo qui lançait un court vidéo humoristique concernant la destruction du Red Light. Ce vidéo sera bientôt sur youtube, je posterai le lien. L'émission des Francs Tireurs sera diffusée dans trois semaines.

Yes, he was at the Cleo on Friday. He also interviewed the fetish night performers upstairs and some people of the Coalition to save the Cleo who were launching a humoristic short film about the demolition of the Red Light. It will shortly be on youtube, I'll let you know as soon as it is. The Franc Tireurs show is supposed to be on in 3 weeks.

Lou

 

[HornyForEver]

Les épisodes des Francs tireurs sont disponibles en ligne sur le site de Télé Québec. J'ai hâte de voir l'épisode traitant du Café Cléopâtre. Merci d'avoir véhiculé l'information.

 

[johndoe]

Nouvelle les plus recentes...http://www.ledevoir.com/politique/montreal/283076/regime-minceur-pour-le-quartier-des-spectacles

 

[CaptainPicard]

Les francs-tireurs

I was told that Richard Martineau of the Franc-tireurs, Télé-Québec went down to Cléo's to film a piece. Muscular Claudia and Linda (daytime) are among those interviewed on Cléo's fate. Check your local listings.
J'ai su que Richard Martineau des Franc-tireurs, à Télé-Québec est allé filmer un reportage au Cléo. Claudia la musclée et Linda (de jour) sont parmi celles qui ont été interviewées sur le sort du Cléo. Surveillez votre télé horaire.
Le Captaine!

C'était mercredi passé, voir le lien/on last wednesday, watch on line:

http://video.telequebec.tv/video/3291

Le Capitaine

 

[Chigen]

Cleopatras is one of the dumpiest strip clubs I have ever been to. I do realize that moving an existing business to another location is risky, but you can not stop progress.

 

[metoo4]

How to defines a "dump" then? I've been to "high class" clubs I could define as dump with my definition.

• Cléopatre is an old place, in need of renovation, that's a given. Why would the owner renovates anything if he risk getting shut-down? That doesn't make the place a dump.
• Strippers range from "How can you make a single penny as a stripper?" to "How come you're not a Playboy model?" That doesn't make the place a dump.
• In the 5 years I've been going to Cléopatre, I've never seen a single fight.
• There are no gangs running the place.
• There are no drugs, at least in the public spaces.
• The staff is friendly.
• The waitresses aren't pushy.
• The strippers aren't pushy.
• The strippers are well treated by the management.
• Drinks are set in a sensible way, not to gouge customers.
• The cover charge ends at the doorman, not after the coatcheck, the doorman, the guy showing you your seat...

In my opinion, this is enough to say the place isn't a dump!

What makes a place a dump, in my eyes? It have nothing to do with the bling and the shiny decor.

• There's are fights regularly, or at least muscled discussions.
• Strippers think they are so good they can't take no for an answer without making you feel like you're a moron.
• Everything is overpriced.
• By the time you sit-down, your're already almost $10 poorer, and you don't have a drink yet.
• That drink better be consumed fast enough for the waitress's liking and an empty glass won't be tolerated.
• Dark corners are occupied by guys who don't move and don't dance any girls but have a steady flow of girls and customers visiting them.

Cléopatre is like a pair of old jeans for me. It doesn't look good anymore, it's worn-out but I know I'll always feel comfortable and have a good time, while not worrying about getting harassed by a bozo wanting to sell me blow, getting hit by a beer bottle or stuck in a random gang hit.

 

[Dragonatic]

Any stripclub is a dump, no matter how it look like..... A place is defined by what its going on there, not by how it look. You can have gold walls with marble floor, a stripclub will always be a dump.........

... But we still like to go there for the girls!