Canucks are major customers in Cuba’s child sex trade

[EagerBeaver]

as for americans, they should pressure their government to put and end at their unmoral 50 years old economic suffocation of the island. Repression will never replace prevention.

The only politically important lobby group in the USA that significantly cares one way or the other about the embargo is squarely in favor of it, for reasons explained earlier. Although that resolve may be weakening due to the unlikelihood of recouping assets seized by Cuba, which were traditionally thought to be leveraged by the embargo. Let's not forget the "unmoral" stealing of privately owned property by the Cuban government.

 

[Merlot]

A way to attempt to understand scum bags is to try to put yourself in their place and attempt to see what the attraction might be. What do these guys find so interesting in some little girl, let alone a little boy?

Huh?

Go for it bud, if you feel comfortable. In the case of pedophiles I find it natural to be revolted. I leave the cause to criminal psychologists.

..as for americans, they should pressure their government to put and end at their unmoral 50 years old economic suffocation of the island.

Grosbaton. Yes, every country has people like this, and should take care of their own problems. However, if one point of the article is true that the information by an outside country on it's pedophiles or any sexual predators is being hidden or not passed between the countries involved, that increases the problem. One key to prevention is dealing with poverty, another is the exchange of information and appropriate action. But regardless of these aspects there will always be criminals who will exploit the trade. If that point of the article is not true, it's still more effective to use an exchange of information between countries for prevention and punishment.

Regarding "economic suffocation", there have been assertions Castro is a "great" leader. He's been the leader since 1959. He was in charge for 49 years, yet despite the fact that many countries were willing to trade with him he failed to lead his nation into an economy that would at least do well enough to keep parents from sending their kids into the sex trade and to pedophiles...and you want to blame the U.S. for that. Ridiculous.

Also other countries have trade with the U.S. but still have the same problems related to gross poverty. If the trading country does not have the interior economic system and policies that deal with poverty THAT is not the fault of any of their trading partners. So the excuse of the U.S. embargo as some sort key culprit for Cuban poverty or any other problem does not work, and opening trade with the U.S. would not be a panacea if the gain is not used effectively.

If Castro didn't develop an economic policy to get beyond his dependency on the former Soviet Union then he and all his officials are responsible. When one person and his clique dictate how the country is run then they get the credit and the blame. Anything else is an excuse.

Cheers,

Merlot

 

[Grosbaton]

Eagerbeaver, Merlot, I am not here to defend Castro. The US embargo had made a better job in helping justifying and strenghening his leadership over the years and looking for support from he USSR in the beginning, and Venezuela lately. And don't tell me that the US embargo has resulted in improving the living conditions of cubans at large!
Maybe we should forget about goverments and leaders and concentrate on people.
Why is there so much poverty abroad?
Why does our ''rich'' society create so many weirdos?

 

[EagerBeaver]

Why is there so much poverty abroad?

In many countries, it's due to a lack of separation of religious and secular leadership, something the western countries have mostly figured out.

However, poverty works in some countries. A prime example is Jamaica. The first time I went there I was shocked by the poverty. However, the Jamaicans are mostly happy despite living very primitively. Unlike Canadians who must endure cold-as-bitch weather most of the year, the Jamaicans have tremendous weather, and they don't have to go hungry if they have no money. There are abundant local fruits. I saw many spearfisherman in Jamaica and they don't go home empty handed nor do they have to pay for what they catch. Also, livestock in Jamaica roam around as they please, and if you catch a goat straying onto your property, you just kill it and eat it. The Jamaicans love to eat goats and they make a dish called Curried Goat which is sort of like a beef stew. It's OK and you would eat it if you were hungry.

Also, they smoke a lot of pot, and when you are high you tend not to care about your living conditions.

So poverty works well in Jamaica. Jamaicans love their country and they are as fiercely nationalistic as any people I have met.

 

[Techman]

This is what I got from the W5 report by Victor Malarek: convicted Canadian pedophiles are often going to Cuba because the the Canadian Border Agency cannot access the Sex Offender Registry as it is not considered a police agency by the RCMP. This would be an easy thing to correct by the federal government.

Finally - I do not see this TV report as anti-Castro propaganda. That 77 year-old convicted pedophile's passport showed over 30 visits to Cuba in just a few years. Another step that could be easily taken is to take away these criminals' passports altogether.

And remember that there is a Canadian law on the books that makes it a crime to have sex with minors even in foreign countries. It just was not enforced for the first 11 years. The USA does enforce a similar law.

I automatically discount any report by Victor Malarek. The guy is hardly an unbiased reporter and has done a number of biased reports on human trafficking and underage prostitution in the past. As for the border agency not having access to the sex offender registry, it really would make little difference. The Sex Offender Registry here in Canada is a farce. And it's not a national registry that is needed but an INTERNATIONAL one, a registry that all countries can access so that they can prevent these people from entering their country. It's impossible for Canada to prevent someone from going to Cuba when all they have to do is go somewhere else and grab a flight to Cuba from there. There should be a list similar to the terrorist no fly list.

Better yet...lock these bastards up for life in the first place or castrate them.

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia....ex-offender-registry-a-national-embarrassment

 

[RobinX]

Why is there so much poverty abroad?

Here is the answer to your question: There is so much poverty abroad, specifically in the so-called "developing" nations of Africa, Asia and Latin America because of the legacy of imperialism and the ongoing exploitation of Third World resources by European and North American interests. Here is a video which explains it very well:

• youtube: Michael Parenti -- Myth of UnderDevelopment!

Here is the intro to the video:

The stupendous fortunes that were-and still are being extracted by the European and North American investors should remind us that there are very few really poor nations in what today is commonly called the Third World. Brazil is rich; Indonesia is rich; and so are the Philippines, Chile, Bolivia, Zaire, Mexico, India, and Malaysia. Only the people are poor. Of course in some areas, as in parts of Africa south of the Sahara, the land has been so ruthlessly plundered that it too is now impoverished, making life all the more desperate for its inhabitants.

The Third World is not "underdeveloped" but overexploited. The gap between rich and poor nations is not due to the "neglect" of the latter by the former as has been often claimed. For forty years or more we have heard how the nations of the North must help close the poverty gap between themselves and the nations of the South, devoting some portion of their technology and capital to the task. Yet the gap between rich and poor only widens because investments in the Third World are not designed to develop the capital resources of the poor nations but to enrich the Western investors.

 

[Grosbaton]

In many countries, it's due to a lack of separation of religious and secular leadership, something the western countries have mostly figured out.

However, poverty works in some countries. A prime example is Jamaica. The first time I went there I was shocked by the poverty. However, the Jamaicans are mostly happy despite living very primitively. Unlike Canadians who must endure cold-as-bitch weather most of the year, the Jamaicans have tremendous weather, and they don't have to go hungry if they have no money. There are abundant local fruits. I saw many spearfisherman in Jamaica and they don't go home empty handed nor do they have to pay for what they catch. Also, livestock in Jamaica roam around as they please, and if you catch a goat straying onto your property, you just kill it and eat it. The Jamaicans love to eat goats and they make a dish called Curried Goat which is sort of like a beef stew. It's OK and you would eat it if you were hungry.

Also, they smoke a lot of pot, and when you are high you tend not to care about your living conditions.

So poverty works well in Jamaica. Jamaicans love their country and they are as fiercely nationalistic as any people I have met.

I never heard such a joke!
In this continent I have been a witness of poverty in Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Peru , Dominican Republic, Cuba, Haiti, and even...Jamaica. You are so naive my friend! Don't tell me that you are one one of these stupid tourists who think that because they are having a good time, everybody around them is having a good time!
Our native people can go, hunt a caribou and eat it. Does that make them lucky happy people?

 

[Grosbaton]

Here is the answer to your question: There is so much poverty abroad, specifically in the so-called "developing" nations of Africa, Asia and Latin America because of the legacy of imperialism and the ongoing exploitation of Third World resources by European and North American interests. Here is a video which explains it very well:

• youtube: Michael Parenti -- Myth of UnderDevelopment!

Here is the intro to the video:

Here we go!

 

[EagerBeaver]

I never heard such a joke!
In this continent I have been a witness of poverty in Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Peru , Dominican Republic, Cuba, Haiti, and even...Jamaica. You are so naive my friend! Don't tell me that you are one one of these stupid tourists who think that because they are having a good time, everybody around them is having a good time!
Our native people can go, hunt a caribou and eat it. Does that make them lucky happy people?

Have you ever travelled to Jamaica Grosbaton?

 

[Doc Holliday]

when you are high you tend not to care about your living conditions.

Really? Geez, my place must look like a pigsty! :lol:

 

[Grosbaton]

Have you ever travelled to Jamaica Grosbaton?

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Yes beaver, I have travelled to all those countries I listed and many more. Went to Jamaica in 1988 and I have been to Cuba 3 times between 1981 and 2010, spending one month in my first cross-country journey at a time when the island was just opening up to international tourism.
What about you, have you ever been to Cuba, as this is the main subject of this thread?

 

[EagerBeaver]

What about you, have you ever been to Cuba, as this is the main subject of this thread?

In case you are not aware, it is difficult to travel to Cuba for an American, although it has become less so in recent years. I have been to many Caribbean countries, but not Cuba. As I mentioned earlier, I worked for a Cuban American whose family lost assets to Castro, which is why I posted here.

 

[Grosbaton]

I am very well aware of this situation EagerBeaver. And if you look up in this thread you will see that I wrote this:
''On another hand if american citizens were given the same easy access to Cuba as we get, they would probably replace us as number one!''.
By the way how do you feel as american to be told by your governement where to go and where not to go? The difficulty to travel to Cuba comes from your governement not for the Cuban government as far as I know.
Also, you should diversify your sources to try to understand what happened and what is happening in Cuba. it is not all clear cut and long time cuban refugees to the US cannot be the best reference, no matter what happened to them.

 

[SamKlemmons]

In case you are not aware, it is difficult to travel to Cuba for an American, although it has become less so in recent years. I have been to many Caribbean countries, but not Cuba. As I mentioned earlier, I worked for a Cuban American whose family lost assets to Castro, which is why I posted here.

Not it's not Beav. Just fly to Cancun and take the ferry over.

The Cubans are very to Americans.

They wont stamp your passport, so no one can prove you were there and they treat you like kings.

Americans are all over the place there ... especially sailors who just sail into any port, without hassles ....

 

[cloudsurf]

There is a documentary on PBS at 7pm to-nite about the lives of ordinary Cubans

 

[Grosbaton]

Not it's not Beav. Just fly to Cancun and take the ferry over.

The Cubans are very to Americans.

They wont stamp your passport, so no one can prove you were there and they treat you like kings.

Americans are all over the place there ... especially sailors who just sail into any port, without hassles ....

Interesting! I did not know there was a ferry from Cancun to Cuba now.
Cubans never stamp your passport, even if you are canadian because they don't want to harm you and they pretty well know that if you then try to get into the land of freedom they might not like knowning that your dared visit the land of evil communist Castro!

 

[EagerBeaver]

Not it's not Beav. Just fly to Cancun and take the ferry over, without hassles ....

This IS difficult. I just took a ferry from Fort Meyers Beach to Key West and I would never take a ferry as opposed to fly ever again. It was over 5.5 hours coming back due to having to detour because of rough seas, the seas got very rough anyway, and I would estimate approximately 20% of approximately 400 passengers got ill and vomited, making the entire cabin smell of vomit the remaining 3 hours of the trip. The ones who did not vomit, including me, were sickened. Also the crew is trained to turn up the AC in this situation and I did not have a sweater so I was very uncomfortable. I did not eat before the trip and did not vomit, but I felt ill during the roughest patch, and my father had violent headaches and was bent over for about an hour with his pounding head in his hands. The crew looked a little too well trained for the experience for my liking. They seemed to be used to handing out barf bags, explaining why the AC was cranked full blast, etc.

Bottom line I am not interested in going somewhere I can't fly to. No fucken boats unless it is a short trip of 30 minutes or less.

 

[Like_It_Hot]

@Beaver If it's possible, fly from Montreal. No hassles. Sunwing or Transat will even offer you sparkling wine, wine, hot meal. Avoid Air Canada, nothing included, stops in Toronto, service non existant, flight of 6 to 10 hours from Montreal. The usual flight is 4 hours from Montreal for other companies.

@ other US citizens Don't bring your US flag. Cuban are nice with all tourists being nice with them and respecting them. Remember, embargo is very tough on their daily life so play it low profile and you won't have any problems.

Finally get $CAN. You will save a 10% penalty on $US exchange. If you can have a canadian credit card it's even better (no US credit card accepted, even from canadian citizens).

Don't be surprised, hotel or bank in Cuba will ask your passport for changing you money to CUC (Cuban Convertible Currency). They will not stamp your passport, they just want to be sure an individual will not change and spend more than a certain amount (I think the limit is $10 000) to avoid black market of drugs or other illicit things.

 

[SamKlemmons]

This IS difficult.

Bottom line I am not interested in going somewhere I can't fly to. No fucken boats unless it is a short trip of 30 minutes or less.

OK. I take it back. It is not that easy. But it is easy relative to what you get there.

Cuban girls are a blast.

There is no other place on earth that I have seen yer, where the girls want to take you home to meet their families after they get paid and you have done the deed.

It is real GFE.


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