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CS Martin

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This is my advice if you chose to partake in what now seems a very dangerous activity :
NEVER EVER MEET AN SP OUTSIDE OF HOTEL ROOMS AND CIRCUMSTANCES COMPLETELY UNDER YOUR CONTROL
NEVER TRUST ANYONE, PERIOD (SPs, Other posters on boards, whatever). THINGS MAY BE VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY THEY FIRST APPEAR.

Pretty much the intent of my last post in this tread. Take it from one who knows, the healing process is what you need to address. Something like the 5 stages of grief. The quicker you realize this, own it, move through it, the better.
 

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NEVER EVER MEET AN SP OUTSIDE OF HOTEL ROOMS AND CIRCUMSTANCES COMPLETELY UNDER YOUR CONTROL
NEVER TRUST ANYONE, PERIOD (SPs, Other posters on boards, whatever). THINGS MAY BE VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY THEY FIRST APPEAR.
Yes, and also be careful around lawyers, accountants, the cashier at the dep, Boy scouts, old ladies, and doormen. Let's not forget arabs, jews, French Canadians, people from Saskatchewan, Romanians, Christians, Lions, and Llamas.

Please. SPs and posters on the board are just like any other people. Each is an individual and should not be generalized about. I've met any number of SPs and posters under many different circumstances and, other than Joe.T, they are just like anyone else. Perhaps even more so.

The more you read the ranting of paranoid infividuals or those who are simply full of BS, the more paranoid you will become.
Exactly.
 
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Pretty much the intent of my last post in this tread. Take it from one who knows, the healing process is what you need to address. Something like the 5 stages of grief. The quicker you realize this, own it, move through it, the better.

Kübler-Ross model, commonly known as the five stages of grief:
  1. Denial
  2. Anger
  3. Bargaining
  4. Depression
  5. Acceptance
I think we have seen 3.
DR EW - hang in there.
Move on, you will feel better.



Please do not start believing other's ideas when you were the one this happened to. If others wish to blow this situation out of proportion that is their problem. I would advise you not to let it become yours also.

As always, our advice remains the same and that is that you should file a police report as soon as possible and then you may be able to put this behind you. The more you read the ranting of paranoid infividuals or those who are simply full of BS, the more paranoid you will become.

What is that saying I seem to remember about taking the high road and staying out of the gutter...
 

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Yes, and also be careful around lawyers, accountants, the cashier at the dep, Boy scouts, old ladies, and doormen. Let's not forget arabs, jews, French Canadians, people from Saskatchewan, Romanians, Christians, Lions, and Llamas.

Please. SPs and posters on the board are just like any other people. Each is an individual and should not be generalized about. I've met any number of SPs and posters under many different circumstances and, other than Joe.T, they are just like anyone else. Perhaps even more so.

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I agree 100%, i have met fellow posters for drinks and have taken sp's on trips and out of the room to dinner, stripclubs and so on to many times to count and will continue to do so and not give it a second thought. No need to get overly paranoid. When i am in vegas how ever i am a lot more cautious when i pick up an sp there for example if i go to the washroom i take my drink with me but in montreal i don't worry about it.
 

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This is my advice if you chose to partake in what now seems a very dangerous activity :
NEVER EVER MEET AN SP OUTSIDE OF HOTEL ROOMS AND CIRCUMSTANCES COMPLETELY UNDER YOUR CONTROL
NEVER TRUST ANYONE, PERIOD
(SPs, Other posters on boards, whatever). THINGS MAY BE VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY THEY FIRST APPEAR.

BEST OF LUCK ALL AND BE FUCKING CAREFUL. LAST POST I THINK FOR AWHILE.

Hello Dr.

In reference to life in general and the hobby specifically...you've gone completely over-the-top with this to the point of sounding like a paranoiac. Please describe for me any circumstance that is completely under your control and in a second you will realize it isn't.

"Never trust anyone period". Taken literally do you realize this means exactly that you can never do anything, go anywhere, meet anyone? It means you have to hermetically seal yourself up and be totally self-sufficient for every physical, emotional, and spiritual need inherent in all humans. Taken generally anyone sticking to this advice becomes a sad, fearful and pathetic creature. This is not living. This is how a mouse feels when surrounded by a dozen starving cats.

I think we all can understand this reaction to a point. But, by continuing to feel this way you are surrendering the freedom to live like a decent human being by this attitude/philosophy. You were betrayed by someone you thought you could trust, and that surely hurts very deeply and possibly makes you question your own competence to make good judgments. But you need to get over that. She is the one at fault, not you. You judged the situation as it was presented. She constructed the lie and she alone is at fault here.

Yes, you could,have been more cautious about getting too involved in the beginning. It would have been the wiser move. We all know escorting is not a breeding ground for general integrity. But the relationship you described left you vulnerable, just as trusting anyone leaves you vulnerable. That is what being close to anyone comes down to...with your parents, friends, lovers, etc. It's just part of life, and no one can avoid the risks of giving trust. Betrayal will happen to everyone at some level. But vowing to trust no one is complete surrender...allowing the perpetrator to steal a hell of a lot more than money and that's your freedom to live well and without fear. So unless you want to be the type to go off and live in a cave alone, trust in some way must be part of the equation for living a real life. Just be wiser...but do not fear, and never let anyone rob you of being a free human being.

good luck,

Merlot
 
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Just be wiser...but do not fear, and never let anyone rob you of being a free human being.


Well put Merlot...
I think Dr. is moving into step 4 of 5.
With any luck 4 does not last too long.
Then living starts again in step 5.
 
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CS Martin

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Hello Dr.

You've gone completely over-the-top with this to the point of sounding like a paranoiac. Please describe for me any circumstance that is completely under your control and in a second you will realize it isn't.

"Never trust anyone period". Taken literally do you realize this means exactly that you can never do anything, go anywhere, meet anyone? It means you have to hermetically seal yourself up and be totally self-sufficient for every physical, emotional, and spiritual need inherent in all humans. Taken generally anyone sticking to this advice becomes a sad, fearful and pathetic creature. This is not living. This is how a mouse feels when surrounded by a dozen starving cats.

I think we all can understand this reaction to a point. But, by continuing to feel this way you are surrendering the freedom to live like a decent human being by this attitude/philosophy. You were betrayed by someone you thought you could trust, and that surely hurts very deeply and possibly makes you question your own competence to make good judgments. But you need to get over that. She is the one at fault, not you. You judged the situation as it was presented. She constructed the lie and she alone is at fault here.

Yes, you could,have been more cautious about getting too involved in the beginning. It would have been the wiser move. We all know escorting is not a breeding ground for general integrity. But the relationship you described left you vulnerable, just as trusting anyone leaves you vulnerable. That is what being close to anyone comes down to...with your parents, friends, lovers, etc. It's just part of life, and no one can avoid the risks of giving trust. Betrayal will happen to everyone at some level. But vowing to trust no one is complete surrender...allowing the perpetrator to steal a hell of a lot more than money and that's your freedom to live well and without fear. So unless you want to be the type to go off and live in a cave alone, trust in some way must be part of the equation for living a real life. Just be wiser...but do not fear, and never let anyone rob you of being a free human being.

good luck,

Merlot

M,

Sorry, I'm going to have to take the other side on this issue.

Dr,

This business (SP & Escort Business) and in particular the three Montreal Boards have convinced me to not trust anyone in this business PERIOD**. Now, the Mods could disagree with me and threaten to ban me(an have many times) and ask me to leave (and have many times). However, this will not change a deeply ingrained opinion developed over 15 years in this business.

CS Martin

** Period includes SPs, Agency Operators, Moderators, Board Owners, Drivers, Clients, Bag Men, Bouncers, Posters, Advertisers, etc...etc...
 
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jeff jones

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M,

Sorry, I'm going to have to take the other side on this issue.

Dr,

This business (SP & Escort Business) and in particular the three Montreal Boards have convinced me to not trust anyone in this business PERIOD. Now, the Mods could disagree with me and threaten to ban me(an have many times) and ask me to leave (and have many times). However, this will not change a deeply ingrained opinion developed over 15 years in this business.

I am mystified, petrified, stupefied, horrified, mortified and any other fied you can think of, over how anyone could get this paranoid. Do you by chance have some enemies that we don't know about:)
 

CS Martin

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I am mystified, petrified, stupefied, horrified, mortified and any other fied you can think of, over how anyone could get this paranoid. Do you by chance have some enemies that we don't know about:)

Sir,

Your statement is getting off subject here. I've stated my opinion and advice clearly and concisely, as have others. I consider your statement to be inflamitory. Please stay on subject.

CS
 

rumpleforeskiin

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I am mystified, petrified, stupefied, horrified, mortified and any other fied you can think of, over how anyone could get this paranoid. Do you by chance have some enemies that we don't know about:)
Save your breath, JJ.;)
 

CS Martin

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CS, If I would be in your shoes, I wouldn't thank a Mod so soon...

Well 11, I'm going to consider your statement to be provacative in that you seem to be "riding my jock". That being said, I've tried my best in this thread to stay on sujbect and merely calmly state my opinion. These opinions may not agree with yours. However, I've clearly added to this discussion.

CS

P.S. My observation of your use of the English Language clearly shows it's not your first language. BTW, MOD 11 & MOD 8, as nicely as I can put it:

FUCK OFF!!!!!

I.E. If you're looking to permanently ban me, it will be at a time of my choosing and not because "you've built a case for it"!!
 
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Merlot

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M,

Sorry, I'm going to have to take the other side on this issue.

Dr,

This business (SP & Escort Business) and in particular the three Montreal Boards have convinced me to not trust anyone in this business PERIOD**. Now, the Mods could disagree with me and threaten to ban me(an have many times) and ask me to leave (and have many times). However, this will not change a deeply ingrained opinion developed over 15 years in this business.

CS Martin

** Period includes SPs, Agency Operators, Moderators, Board Owners, Drivers, Clients, Bag Men, Bouncers, Posters, Advertisers, etc...etc...

Hello CS,

Then why do you hobby. If you really mean "not trust anyone" then simply by hobbying you have failed that maxim. Making any kind of deliberate contact with anyone instantly creates some level of trust, trust that you won't be robbed, killed, betrayed, infected with disease, or have your emotions and sensitivities affected, etc. YOU CANNOT AVOID IT!!! If you mean do not trust anyone in the hobby then there is no way to hobby at all. You cannot hobby and not be creating trust by doing so. If you think you can be alone with a strange in a business that you yourself insinuate is extremely risky on many levels and not be creating trust by doing so then it's a delusional scenario and a foolhardy conception. All you are conceiving by saying you will not trust anyone and hobbying is some deluded half-way compromise to have intimate fantasy sex with beautiful women and trying to be safe or invulnerable while saying you don't trust them at all. Excuse me...but that's totally ridiculous. JJ should also remember that when he accuses others of being...his favorite word..."delusional".

good luck,

Merlot
 
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CS Martin

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Hello CS,

Then why do you hobby. If you really mean "not trust anyone" then simply by hobbying you have failed that maxim. Making any kind of deliberate contact with anyone instantly creates some level of trust, trust that you won't be robbed, killed, betrayed, infected with disease, or have your emotions and sensitivities affected, etc. YOU CANNOT AVOID IT!!! If you mean do not trust anyone in the hobby then there is no way to hobby at all. You cannot hobby and not be creating trust by doing so. If you think you are not then it's delusional. All you are conceiving by saying you will not trust anyone and hobbying is some deluded half-way compromise to have intimate fantasy sex with beautiful women and trying to be safe or invulnerable while saying you don't trust them at all. Excuse me...but that's totally ridiculous. JJ should also remember that when he accuses others of being...his favorite word..."delusional".

good luck,

Merlot

M,

You're getting off subject here. This is not about me, it's about the Dr and his personal experience. I have merely given my opinion. My opinion based upon experience is not up for discussion. Your statements are out of place here and you are attacking me for having a divergent opinion.

CS

P.S. What does it matter, I'll soon be gone per Mod 11, and Mod 8 who cleans up his messes.
 
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The point of the thread was replaced by a battle of egos a few pages ago. Let's get back on topic.
 

CS Martin

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Well,

The subject is the robbery and how to deal with it. Your solution is don't trust anyone. I say that's an inherent fallacy. All of it is on subject.

cheers,

Merlot

Well,

This is robbery as it specifically relates to an SP and her involvement. Not just robbery. Many clients, as I do, put their money in a safe place when seeing an escort. This is just common sense. I only have availible what the escort is being paid and I'm prepared to lose. Everyone does their own risk assessement in any given situation and plans accordingly. For instance would you leave a $1,000 out on the table for a $200 call, then go in another room expecting all SPs to be completely honest. That's foolish. My motivations for this hobby are my personal matters and not subject to this discussion.

Argue with someone else M. Mod 11 will soon get his "ban of the day" with me. If he has the guts, rather than Mod 8 cleaning up his mess. Then again, maybe they'll both call in the backups (5 & 10) to distance themselves.
 
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CS Martin

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Hello CS,

I'm really not trying to create a feud or even belabor this matter. I just think your maxim is going to far and forgetting the inherent realities of what we do when we hobby. Of course I never said trust escorts. For example, I put my money where it can't be reached or any would-be escort thief would need to much time and make too much noise to do it without being noticed. Only a fool would trust these ladies too much, and unfortunately some do get made fools of in many ways besides money.

As for your expectations of being banned, I don't understand why you keep making the reference. The mods will do what think they should whether you want to try to embarrass them by predicting it or not. Why goad them, which is what these references are doing. If I was a mod here reading your posts I would be thinking that after so many references a ban is exactly what you want to be done. Haven't you seen so many do the same and get the same. Please move on. I don't want to see you banned.

Cheers,

Merlot

M,

I have tried to add to this discussion and done so politely until this day. To constantly be threatened with a ban by moderators when you're just trying to thank them for their actions is a little much. So, I really don't want to pursue an extensive debate I won't be around to finish. Simple as that. Why not get back to taking care of the Dr. and his issues?

CS
 

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Hello CS,

I am the primary moderator in this thread and if I want to ban you for acting like a disrespectful child, I do not require anyone else to do it for me. You have been doing your best lately trying to show how the mods are against you and take every opportunity to try and prove it. If anything, we have given you more leeway than the majority of members are given. You will notice that I have not edited you post telling us to fuck off, and I do not intend to. I will let that post stand and I will also allow you to dig a hole deep enough so that when I do ban you, and the next ban will be permanent, no one will question it or come to your defense.

So this is your last chance to clean up your act and to stop trying to make every thread you post in focus on yourself. If you think you can contribute something useful to the community you are very welcome to stay. But if you intend to continue trying to have a private war with the moderators of this board, I will put an end to it very soon.

For everyone,

This thread will be closed later this evening to remove off topic posts and then re-opened. If the infighting and arguing over opinions continues at that time, it will be closed permanently.

Mod 8
 
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