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Doc Holliday

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I respectfully disagree, Castro did a lot of good things for the Cuban citizens, also Castro never created a lie to invade a country that caused the deaths of close to a million people, Bush and Cheney's coffin awaits them in hell right beside Hitler and Stalin.

Quite true. He also didn't make up an entire incident in order to get America directly involved in the Vietnam War.

For those who don't know what i'm referring to, just google Golf of Tonkin incident.
 

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I'd be very concerned about any women in Cuba coming up to me offering sex who have been described as desperate for help. In an economy where the average worker makes $20 per month...OMG...there would be women who are indeed desperate offering sex and their extreme need and desperation would back me way off because of safety concerns. The harshness of the whole situation is not one where I could ever feel comfortable about how much risk the women are allowing the men to get away with.

Quite true. He also didn't make up an entire incident in order to get America directly involved in the Vietnam War.

True. But no one keeps such firm oppressive control over a population for almost 60 years without inflicting fear by extreme measures. Also, there's no doubt those he was willing to use to help keep control used extreme excess, whether sanctioned or not, to insure they're own secure position with The Boss. This kind of control generates brutality as a matter of instinct to preserve itself.
 

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I'd be very concerned about any women in Cuba coming up to me offering sex who have been described as desperate for help. In an economy where the average worker makes $20 per month...OMG...there would be women who are indeed desperate offering sex and their extreme need and desperation would back me way off because of safety concerns. The harshness of the whole situation is not one where I could ever feel comfortable about how much risk the women are allowing the men to get away with.



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Have you ever been to Cuba. As an American most likely not. You can only fantasize about what its like to be there and mix with the people.
Your assumptions are wrong as usual . Many Cuban women are part time escorts who augment their meager salaries with dating tourists. When I write desperate I`m saying that they are desperate to make their life better and hopefully leave the country with the help of a tourist. All the ones I met have played it safe and used condoms....many weren`t even full GFE. When I`m talking desperate for a better life I`m not talking about careless sex....so stop twisting my words around !!!
 

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....so stop twisting my words around !!!

Try ignore or choose your words more carefully. In any case I would not "hookup' with a lady on the street in Montreal or any city USA, never mind Cuba.

Regardless of your chosen words. It's a DESPERATE situation. We know there are cases of unsafe offerings outside Cuba. In a place where people were DESPERATE to escape the country because of the harshness of life and oppression I wouldn't go near the women for sex regardless of anyone's personal immaculate experiences or 1000 of the same.

Stop acting like it's all about you. That's why you were NOT quoted the last time.

After the fall of Communism in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, a similar situation occurred in Prague and the Ukraine.

My view is not a matter of anyone else's personal experiences or opinions. Call it over-cautious or scared if you wish but when I see a situation where there appears to be greater risks I back off. Some people are more liberal sexually and some much less so. The defensiveness of someone who thinks I'm responding to their singular record of experiences is irrelevant to me no matter how much they feel it's about them. I don't like to indulge wherever risks seem higher, but especially where that is more likely than in other countries because of their situation...no matter how beautiful the people and their culture.

If anyone feels differently for whatever reason they are entitled to follow their views...AS AM I.
 

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Quite true. He also didn't make up an entire incident in order to get America directly involved in the Vietnam War.
He invited Kruschev to install nuclear missiles, and almost provoked a nuclear war.

He also, within the ability of his limited finances, sent his troops to many foreign adventures.

As far as I recall he never took part in any U N peacekeeping mission.
 

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Look behind you.
It is hard for someone to understand this if they have not experienced it themselves.
I saw this in Poland, Hungary, and then still Czechoslovakia in the early 70-80's these girls were hot, to the point they could probably have any guy they set their mind on.
They were not prostitutes and they weren't doing it for money, they were on the hunt for something more permanent and a better life. They wanted someone to take them to North America or Western Europe. There were many learning Italian as Italian men were visiting these countries frequently.

My mothers side was from east Germany, when I was younger we would visit and it was not a fun time, as soon as you crossed the border soldiers with guns would board the train, things were tense from the moment we entered east Germany. My last trip 8 years ago we went through the Ukraine and Bulgaria and when women found out we were from Canada it would have been easy to get laid every night just for the fact that they may get a chance to leave and come to Canada. Money had a little to do with it but the main reason they turned tricks was to get away by either saving money of finding a sugar daddy. Been to Cuba but never hobbied there, like the beaches, food sucks, local people are depressed there.
 

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Been to Cuba but never hobbied there, like the beaches, food sucks, local people are depressed there.

Considering the rates for Cuba could give you 2 to 10 women (depending on the level of "escort") at Montreal rates or a whole night with 1, why didn't you choose to be with any of them???
 

Sol Tee Nutz

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Look behind you.
Considering the rates for Cuba could give you 2 to 10 women (depending on the level of "escort") at Montreal rates or a whole night with 1, why didn't you choose to be with any of them???

I do not go on holidays for sex, I like to kick back, see the sights, and have a good time. If I meet someone at the resort and it works out great, if not who cares.
 

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I do not go on holidays for sex, I like to kick back, see the sights, and have a good time. If I meet someone at the resort and it works out great, if not who cares.

Fair enough. I too have been on vacation in other countries (outside Canada) on my own during the hobbying period and chosen not to take options for sex regardless of rates. I was too excited to see as much of the country and culture, enjoy the sites and the food.
 

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Contrary to what Passionne would like us to believe.....to my knowledge sex is safer in Cuba than in most North American cities.
Its also safer than in surrounding countries.
While gay sex tourism exists....its tightly controlled.
Hetero sex is not as risqué as in Montreal since GFE+ or PSE is rare. Most Cuban women don`t want to risk passing on an sti to their spouses or boyfriends ....so they insist on safe sex.
There is almost no drug problem since ordinary Cubans could never afford drugs and the drug lords don`t waste any effort on Cuba ....besides the punishment for drug possession is very extreme. Street crime is also almost non existent.

Like SolT, with the exception of Canada and Cuba , I don`t hobby when I travel . I am a tourist enjoying the sites, culture and history of the country. I am open to meet local girls for a social connection. If it leads to anything more....that`s OK too.
Why is Cuba an exception ?...... Well once you go into a disco club in Havana and see 200 friendly women, some of them looking like Shakira, and trying to flirt by rubbing their bodies against you....how the hell could anyone resist?
 

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I do not go on holidays for sex, I like to kick back, see the sights, and have a good time. If I meet someone at the resort and it works out great, if not who cares.

When I can (if I could) every holiday for me would be a sexual holiday. In the back of my head I am always thinking about where I can practice the peculiar habit of pay-for-play be it a vacation or business trip.

Let me put it another way. I too love to see the sites, learn the culture, meet interesting people and fuck them. Glean from this what you must but I know my options or at least I try to understand my options for every city or culture I visit.
 

Doc Holliday

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Saw on the news the lineup of people wanting to pay their respects to Castro.
Probably most are there wanting to make sure that he is dead, just like I did when I visited Lenin's tomb in Moscow.

Many will very likely be doing the same thing when it'll be Dick Cheney and George W. Bush.
 

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True. But no one keeps such firm oppressive control over a population for almost 60 years without inflicting fear by extreme measures. Also, there's no doubt those he was willing to use to help keep control used extreme excess, whether sanctioned or not, to insure they're own secure position with The Boss. This kind of control generates brutality as a matter of instinct to preserve itself.

I guess it's a good thing Donald Trump is 70 years old. He'll likely be dead 15 years from now and we won't have to worry about him being in power for 60 years once he's appointed his SCOTUS judges to change the Constitution to his image. But wait.....Ivanka, Don Jr and Erik will still be around. Oh-oh!
 

Doc Holliday

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Been to Cuba but never hobbied there, like the beaches, food sucks, local people are depressed there.

A very popular sp a few years ago told me she was considering moving to Cuba. When i told her about the living conditions i had heard about from the news, she told me that she had been there many times and from what she saw, people were as happy as anyone she had ever met. She had several Cuban friends from her trips there and was serious about moving there. I have no idea if she ever went along with it or not.

I'm also certain it can't be worse than the living conditions of many inner cities in the US. In America, if you're white you're already ahead in life. If you're black or any other minority, the odds are already against you the day you're born. That's America and why the phrase "Let's Make America Great Again" doesn't have the same meaning for white people and minorities. Great for who???
 

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Is the one underlying thing that makes people hate Castro most that he got away with everything he did and lived the life he wanted right to the end...with an enemy...a "superpower" sitting 90 miles off the coast? Is that what gnaws at people most about the whole Cuba situation...that he handled his position smart enough to beat all of his enemies for almost 60 years?

Also, the reason you can find people who seem to find a way to live happily under great oppression is because they need to. When people are stuck in that situation the human spirit must find ways to create happiness or wallow in pain. What would you do under the same conditions? Would you wallow in fear, hate, and desperation, or find something to make life a little enjoyable.

Cheers
 

Doc Holliday

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But I do envy you since you saw Jennifer a dozen times :yo:

I actually saw her only 9 times.

My record with one sp is 26 times. It would have been more than that, but she retired 3 years ago. She married one fucking lucky bastard!

By the way, i still haven't changed my mind in regards to Fidel Castro: he wasn't any worse than many American Presidents (Bush 43, Nixon) and especially many other world leaders that were and are still supported by the United States.
 

Doc Holliday

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They say he had $900 million stashed away, but how much of that did he enjoy?

That's nothing to what Vladimir Putin has stashed away in Swiss bank accounts. A Putin biographer claimed in an interview that Vladimir Putin is now one of the world's wealthiest men. Former Chessmaster Gary Kasparov also says that Putin is nothing but a common gangster who is using the office to enrich himself even more. Hmm, sounds like someone we know who may do exactly the same thing once he officially takes power.
 
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