Charlie Kirk shot dead today

[Jazzman1218]

Being angry is a deeply human reaction - especially when it comes to stages of grief. I also believe that expressing that anger - especially in defence of someone’s right to free speech - underlines that very same principle. Anger in itself isn’t dangerous, it’s how people choose to act on that anger. So far, they’re expressing emotion, not acting out violently. There’s a big difference between being angry and being violent.

They’ve actually been expressing a lot more about their faith - constantly bringing up God, Jesus, the Lord, and quoting scripture. It’s kind of annoying personally, but hey, whatever floats their boat to help them cope. Honestly, it felt like I was tuning into a televangelist show.

What I do know is that there was nothing hateful about this memorial. It was weird IMO - but not hateful lol. What’s hateful is the protests and the desecration of vigils of him everywhere from the left.

However, it's not an isolated incidence of anger. Anger has been baked in to our politics and our DNA for decades and exacerbated during the trump era. Right-wing media, trump, and MAGA constantly feed red meat to the base to keep the base angry, hateful, and fearful. Constant anger is dangerous and can result in deadly violence especially in a country that is armed to the teeth like America. Studies has shown that the majority of political violence in the U.S. is by right-wing extremists. And by the way, using Kirk's own words to document who he was and his politics is not hateful, it's being honest.

 

[EagerBeaver]

To be perfectly honest, I never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot and never heard a single one of his speeches before or since, except this one posted by Captain Renault in another thread. In this exchange (again, the only time I have ever heard Kirk speak), I believe he shows himself to be a masterful debater and he shuts the mouth of a dumb-ass anti-Israel protester:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965863260588245244

 

[EastWind]

To be perfectly honest, I never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot and never heard a single one of his speeches before or since, except this one posted by Captain Renault in another thread. In this exchange (again, the only time I have ever heard Kirk speak), I believe he shows himself to be a masterful debater and he shuts the mouth of a dumb-ass anti-Israel protester:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965863260588245244

Didn’t know him either until he got shot and saw the way he approached things.

He got way too close to the Crowd with his in your face approach. In a mass unpredictable gathering format. Very brave for doing so but that is going to incite the kind of response that took his life.

 

[Arthur Rimbaud]

I will always remember that the people of de USA democratically elected Donald Trump knowing that he is a major criminal. What a STUPID PEOPLE !!!!

 

[Jazzman1218]

I will always remember that the people of de USA democratically elected Donald Trump knowing that he is a major criminal. What a STUPID PEOPLE !!!!

I don't completely disagree with you, but I'd like to put that in context. Politically the U.S. is deeply and evenly divided so presidential elections decided on the margins. Independent voters in 6 or 7 purple, swing states determine the winner. Unfortunately, many of these swing voters make voting decisions largely based on how things are going for them personally and in the country today. At election time there was high inflation and voters were angry about it. They neglected to consider that 1) whomever was president would be dealing with a stubborn post-COVID inflation, and 2) that no candidate can promise immediate inflation relief as trump did. Border security was also an issue, but swing voters apparently neglected to consider that trump and republicans nixed border security legislation. They didn't want the border fixed, rather they wanted it to be a campaign issue. These swing voters have an affinity for rejecting the incumbent and to elect somebody new. In 4 years they will vote out the candidate or political party they voted for in the previous election. Are they stupid? Maybe some are but mostly they are disgruntled, selfish, and poorly informed. Of course don't get me started when it comes to MAGA voters because most of them are either stupid or have been radicalized.

 

[TheJames101]

To be perfectly honest, I never heard of Charlie Kirk before he was shot and never heard a single one of his speeches before or since, except this one posted by Captain Renault in another thread. In this exchange (again, the only time I have ever heard Kirk speak), I believe he shows himself to be a masterful debater and he shuts the mouth of a dumb-ass anti-Israel protester:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965863260588245244

His retorts sound good on the surface, but tends to ignore the masses of evidence that Israel has, in fact, committed war crimes. But if you ignore all that, then yes - his answer is great. Had the questioner come armed with actual examples, he might have been better off.

 

[Arthur Rimbaud]

I don't completely disagree with you, but I'd like to put that in context. Politically the U.S. is deeply and evenly divided so presidential elections decided on the margins. Independent voters in 6 or 7 purple, swing states determine the winner. Unfortunately, many of these swing voters make voting decisions largely based on how things are going for them personally and in the country today. At election time there was high inflation and voters were angry about it. They neglected to consider that 1) whomever was president would be dealing with a stubborn post-COVID inflation, and 2) that no candidate can promise immediate inflation relief as trump did. Border security was also an issue, but swing voters apparently neglected to consider that trump and republicans nixed border security legislation. They didn't want the border fixed, rather they wanted it to be a campaign issue. These swing voters have an affinity for rejecting the incumbent and to elect somebody new. In 4 years they will vote out the candidate or political party they voted for in the previous election. Are they stupid? Maybe some are but mostly they are disgruntled, selfish, and poorly informed. Of course don't get me started when it comes to MAGA voters because most of them are either stupid or have been radicalized.

Thank you Jazzman for your clear exclplanations. I know and understand everything you are saying because here in Quebec we are the mouse next to the sleeping elephant of the USA and we must always monitor what is happening in the south. But there is no valid explanation when a people elects a pathological liar, rapist and thief. It says a lot about the values of a people. I would be so ashamed to live in the USA. Half of the people gave their vote to a human waste that smell of shit. Not just the margins, not just the MAGAS, half the population of the entire country. This man has a lot of blood on his hands because of all the bad decisions he makes. He should go to prison for the rest of his life !!

 

[minutemenX]

His retorts sound good on the surface, but tends to ignore the masses of evidence that Israel has, in fact, committed war crimes. But if you ignore all that, then yes - his answer is great. Had the questioner come armed with actual examples, he might have been better off.

War is the crime by nature if not by definition. There were no wars even that were right ones by our view where mass murder of scores of civilians was not committed. The standing up example is WWII when millions of Japanese and German civilians were killed in indiscriminate aerial bombardments by our brave pilots. When combatants are deliberately intermixed with the civilian population like in Gaza, the civilian deaths are unavoidable unless Hamas surrenders unconditionally and immediately. This what world should be demanding from the very beginning instead of protesting against Israel. Of course, Jews needs to be held to an impossible high standard as always

 

[Jazzman1218]

Thank you Jazzman for your clear exclplanations. I know and understand everything you are saying because here in Quebec we are the mouse next to the sleeping elephant of the USA and we must always monitor what is happening in the south. But there is no valid explanation when a people elects a pathological liar, rapist and thief. It says a lot about the values of a people. I would be so ashamed to live in the USA. Half of the people gave their vote to a human waste that smell of shit. Not just the margins, not just the MAGAS, half the population of the entire country. This man has a lot of blood on his hands because of all the bad decisions he makes. He should go to prison for the rest of his life !!

Thank you for your thoughts. I understand your concerns and agree with your assessment. To me it was a "no-brainer" just based on his depraved character alone much less the litany of other reasons making him so unfit for office. Last year I was visiting Montreal a few days before the election and Canadian anxiety was high as was mine. Everything I and others have predicted is our new reality. And there's no bottom - it gets worse every day. Since election night to this day I am ashamed to be an American. Unfortunately, this is who we are at this moment. Not all of us. Not the majority of us. But the plurality of us and enough to win the presidency. The United States will never be the same and that's on us. Regrettably the rest of the world will suffer as well.

 

[Arthur Rimbaud]

Thank you for your thoughts. I understand your concerns and agree with your assessment. To me it was a "no-brainer" just based on his depraved character alone much less the litany of other reasons making him so unfit for office. Last year I was visiting Montreal a few days before the election and Canadian anxiety was high as was mine. Everything I and others have predicted is our new reality. And there's no bottom - it gets worse everg day. Since election night to this day I am ashamed to be an American. Unfortunately, this is who we are at this moment. Not all of us. Not the majority of us. But the plurality of us and enough to win the presidency. The United States will never be the same and that's on us. Regrettably the rest of the world will suffer as well.

I met some great people while working in the US in the past and I feel sorry for them right now.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Apple TV Pauses TV Series "The Savant" Due to Kirk Assassination

Jessica Chastain 'not aligned' with Apple's decision to pause The Savant

The star says she wishes the series about an investigator who tracks online hate groups 'wasn’t so relevant', but 'feels more urgent than ever'.

www.bbc.com

 

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

When you have the president of the united states saying he literally hates his opponents - that's hateful. One would expect more out of the "leader of the free world". Maybe have some emotional maturity - even if you really do "hate" your opponents, you don't have to put that message out there. What purpose does that serve? The words of the president in this context should and do serve a purpose.

When you have thousands of libtards inciting actual violence that’s hateful. When you have thousands of people inciting violence that’s hateful. When you have thousand of libtards cheering the death of someone that’s hateful. But god forbid you don’t like that and state that you don’t you’re hateful. Make it make sense hahaha

I don’t get how someone saying they don’t like their opponent is wrong lmao. Like I’m supposed to like or feel sorry for bad people. No.

 

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

We live in a society that victimizes criminals and if you dare to say that you disagree that they might’ve killed you - you’re hateful. What a world filled with clowns.

 

[Jazzman1218]

We live in a society that victimizes criminals and if you dare to say that you disagree that they might’ve killed you - you’re hateful. What a world filled with clowns.

Do you realize you are describing trump?

 

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

Do you realize you are describing trump?

What lol.
Take a moment and understand what you’re writing for a sec.

 

[Jazzman1218]

When you have thousands of libtards inciting actual violence that’s hateful. When you have thousands of people inciting violence that’s hateful. When you have thousand of libtards cheering the death of someone that’s hateful. But god forbid you don’t like that and state that you don’t you’re hateful. Make it make sense hahaha

I don’t get how someone saying they don’t like their opponent is wrong lmao. Like I’m supposed to like or feel sorry for bad people. No.

Who are the thousands of liberals inciting violence and cheering anyone's death? Liberals were horrified by Kirk's death. However, liberals were opposed to his radical right-wing rhetoric. Two things can be true at the same time.

 

[Jazzman1218]

What lol.
Take a moment and understand what you’re writing for a sec.

All I'm saying is that trump is a convicted criminal yet plays the victim all the time. He hasn't had anyone killed yet, but will call on the Justice department to prosecute his political opponents.

 

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

If you’re capable of scrolling through the thread there are many examples. I think you chimed in later on in the thread.

By the way if you’re not aware another libtard shooter tried to shoot ice agents dead instead shot immigrants dead. Congrats. No one on the right is acting like idiots the way lefties are.

 

[Valentina Amante | LAVAL]

All I'm saying is that trump is a convicted criminal yet plays the victim all the time. He hasn't had anyone killed yet, but will call on the Justice department to prosecute his political opponents.

I fail to see how he acts like a victim lmao.
I think the leftist mainstream media does a great job of painting him and the conservatives in a negative light. They’re spewing propaganda constantly.

I don’t think Donald is a saint at all but out of the whole roster he sure has the most common sense policies.

Name me other politicians that aren’t convicted criminals lmao. We’ll be here all day and frankly staying off merb is amazing because there’s way too many grown men that act out of emotion here to prove their points - and I got shit to do. Having forum or online debates don’t amount to anything tbh. Completely useless. People will believe what they wanna believe and that’s that.

 

[Jazzman1218]

If you’re capable of scrolling through the thread there are many examples. I think you chimed in later on in the thread.

By the way if you’re not aware another libtard shooter tried to shoot ice agents dead instead shot immigrants dead. Congrats. No one on the right is acting like idiots the way lefties are.

No one knows the motives or political ideology of the Texas shooter. He may have been a anti-government extremist, a nihilist, or who knows what else. He was a deeply disturbed, murderous young man is all we know for sure. You shouldn't jump to conclusions without all the facts. And by the way, studies have shown that the majority of political violence in America is committed by right-wing extremists not left-wing extremists.