Cop Shot in Montreal
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Agrippa said:
The bust started in Laval which is why the Laval police were involved and then it went to the South Shore. However, I'm not sure why they didn't at that point, call in the Longueil police. I guess the Laval police wanted all the "glory" but got misfortune instead.
Nowhere does it say the Longueil police wasn't there. In Quebec, a municipal police force have no authority outside the municipality's limits unless assisting another force, meaning, by going alone, they would have acted as simple citizens and would get charged criminally for whatever they did while posing as officers. Longueil must have been there, only they didn't get hit.
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Montreal Gazette has more coverage.
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=ee2c271b-7f49-4630-a3ce-f696b981c15c&k=14758
In the photo array, Longueuil police vehicles are on the scene.
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=ee2c271b-7f49-4630-a3ce-f696b981c15c&k=14758
In the photo array, Longueuil police vehicles are on the scene.
This time you're wrong Oliver, here's the names of arrested:oliver kloseoff said:
Nikolaos Xanthis, 26, charged with possession with intent to traffic, and possession of a prohibited weapon; Constantine Xanthis, 23, charged with nine counts of trafficking; Kosta Katsiouleris, 29, charged with nine counts of trafficking; Hari Katsiousleris, 25, charged with one count of trafficking; and Emmanuel Mavroudis, 21, charged with 12 counts of trafficking.
Those are all Greek names which tells me they were probably dealing in multiple kilos of coke.
I'm guessing they got the sh*t kicked out of them in the holding cells
Esco! said:
When that happens these assholes will be at Tim Horton's scarfing up the free donuts. Violent crime and drug activity sure seems to be up, although Montreal added about 170+ police men last year. Unfortunately they were hired to give tickets and nothing more. F***ing useless.
hornyanglo66 said:
Exactly at this time we have 2X more murder (in montreal) than last year and all of them except one are related to street gang... put thoses 170 guys on street gang issue and you solve a BIG bunch of problem in montreal....
Btw anyone remember this story:
http://www.cartalk.com/content/read-on/1997/06-20-97-1.html
If you are too smart don't goes in police or army... you might have a big deception....
I must have been on a Crazy Bender (despite not using non-prescription drugs) on September 11, 2001. And, I could swear that the Taliban were sheltering OBL before and after 9/11. Of course, we all know how the average Afghani really is longing for the return of the Taliban.wilko26 said:
Funny police went there for a drug issue and the guy have no charge about it yet but all his 'friends' does... I wonder why they havent arrested him outside his house like they did for Maurice Boucher or simply knock at the door like they did for Rizzuto dad recently?
I think police need to review their methods... his gun was registred in the famous 'registry' so the knew there was a gun over there... so it's would have been safer to arrest him outside his house.
Tres fort, tres tres fort....
I think police need to review their methods... his gun was registred in the famous 'registry' so the knew there was a gun over there... so it's would have been safer to arrest him outside his house.
Tres fort, tres tres fort....
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Maxima said:
Magnum 357, it's his son who dialed 911 not him, policeman got shot in the head... but have no detail about distance between policeman and him when he shooted.
This part I would write in french couple work im not sure of translation:
Je me demande aussi pourquoi il est accusé de meutre prémédité? Comment prémédité ce meutre car s'il était dans la maison il ne devait pas s'attendre à de la 'visite'? Ma définition d'un meutre prémédité c'est qu'il a été planifié....
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Premeditated because he had a loaded gun and a .357 isn't used to shoot flies. He was expecting visitors and it was clear he was ready to do whatever to fend them off.
He didn't know they were cops? They usually barge in yelling POLICE like crazy! This is part of the intimidation tactics they use. Also, if the cop was hit in the head, when you compare the size of a head with the rest of the body, the guy was definetly aiming to give no chances...
The kid might have dialed 911 but, if he knew nothing of his dad's business, it's expected. Doesn't prove anything at all.
If the gun was registered, what in hell the guy doing with a .357? How was he able to register it? It was loaded so, chances are very high the guy carried it with him, registered or not so, catching the guy would not have changed anything, beside putting neighborhood in danger.
Somebody with a clear conscience doesn't keep a .357 loaded in a house where there's kids. Only reinforce he had it on him and knew he might get visitors.
These parents should loose their kids forever for having put them in a position like this. You want to deal drugs? Don't live with kids and even worst, with a loaded gun. The mom isn't better than the dad, no matter if she was invlolved or not, she let the gun in and tolerated the guy's business without leaving.
He didn't know they were cops? They usually barge in yelling POLICE like crazy! This is part of the intimidation tactics they use. Also, if the cop was hit in the head, when you compare the size of a head with the rest of the body, the guy was definetly aiming to give no chances...
The kid might have dialed 911 but, if he knew nothing of his dad's business, it's expected. Doesn't prove anything at all.
If the gun was registered, what in hell the guy doing with a .357? How was he able to register it? It was loaded so, chances are very high the guy carried it with him, registered or not so, catching the guy would not have changed anything, beside putting neighborhood in danger.
Somebody with a clear conscience doesn't keep a .357 loaded in a house where there's kids. Only reinforce he had it on him and knew he might get visitors.
These parents should loose their kids forever for having put them in a position like this. You want to deal drugs? Don't live with kids and even worst, with a loaded gun. The mom isn't better than the dad, no matter if she was invlolved or not, she let the gun in and tolerated the guy's business without leaving.
Seeing as there were no incidents in the other busts in Laval, I'm interested if the same procedures were used in those arrests. Also, as there were no problems encountered in the other operations, why did they go busting into the house in this case? Especially if they were aware, and they should have been aware, of the presence of children in the house. All in all, it seems like a very sloppy operation on the part of the police.
As far as keeping a loaded gun in the house...well if he was keeping it for protection it would be little use if were not loaded. Yes it's illegal to do that. But with the rash of home invasions in the last year, if I had a handgun in the house you can be damn sure it would be loaded.
Premeditated murder is the standard charge when a police officer is killed while in the line of duty. It would have been the same charge if he had killed the officer with a knife or a baseball bat or if he dropped a refrigerator on him.
As far as keeping a loaded gun in the house...well if he was keeping it for protection it would be little use if were not loaded. Yes it's illegal to do that. But with the rash of home invasions in the last year, if I had a handgun in the house you can be damn sure it would be loaded.
Premeditated murder is the standard charge when a police officer is killed while in the line of duty. It would have been the same charge if he had killed the officer with a knife or a baseball bat or if he dropped a refrigerator on him.
reading and hearing all the news reports....i have to wonder why this operation was so botched...the police blew this operation....why did they raid? Were they not aware of the registered firearm?...did they not check the registry?....why didn't swat enter first as is proceedure?....why did the laval detectives enter first..end up on the second floor where the shootout occured?....could this have been some sort of "hit" gone wrong?
I have a feeling this Parasiris guy will get off lightly....
very strange episode this one....
I have a feeling this Parasiris guy will get off lightly....
very strange episode this one....
metoo4 said:
http://lcn.canoe.com/lcn/infos/faitsdivers/archives/2007/03/20070307-173948.html
No matter what they yell, what they say and what they wear last night we got a good example that you should not trust someone only cause he wear a uniform and say he's from police.... (this append last night after the cop shot).
The police have to clearly identify themselves. It was meant to prevent this kind of situation (if it happened the way he claimed). The alleged shooter "could've" mistaken the police for a disguised intruder, but it is unlikely. A regular person would've got down on the floor and surroundered, but I believe the test in this case is subjective (I think?). I don't think he could be charged with (and convicted of) first degree murder. It's very hard to form a proper Intent (mens rea), when 30+ officers are rushing into your home in the dead of the night.
Edit: Cases where the people have to prove continuous intent with a subjective test are notoriously hard (to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt).
Do I think the police should've done it differently? Maybe. Should the alleged shooter spend some hard time in jail if convicted? You bet.
Final words: I blame the hyper-violence in the media and video games...
Edit: Cases where the people have to prove continuous intent with a subjective test are notoriously hard (to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt).
Do I think the police should've done it differently? Maybe. Should the alleged shooter spend some hard time in jail if convicted? You bet.
Final words: I blame the hyper-violence in the media and video games...
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I heard some weirdo journalist entered the house after the fact and "recreated" the scene, filming the dead cop's blood on the walls and all. It was then aired on TV. What an annhole with no respect for the dead guy's family!
If it was a home invasion, chances are they would not have made so much noise to ensure neighbor would not disturb them. And, house invasion crew would have shot the guy as soon as a gun was spotted. The guy would have been beaten into submission, so as his family, before they could even react, kids or not. All home invasions recently were not done by a large amount of peoples at same time either so, a swarm in your house is trouble but more of a legal type than purposely violent. Plus, if you're dealing drugs, you're bound to get uninvited visitors and the guy proved he knew that. The loaded gun is a proof of the guy's guilt for me, no question. He was prepaired to kill and willing to. There's no self defense here possible.
If it was a home invasion, chances are they would not have made so much noise to ensure neighbor would not disturb them. And, house invasion crew would have shot the guy as soon as a gun was spotted. The guy would have been beaten into submission, so as his family, before they could even react, kids or not. All home invasions recently were not done by a large amount of peoples at same time either so, a swarm in your house is trouble but more of a legal type than purposely violent. Plus, if you're dealing drugs, you're bound to get uninvited visitors and the guy proved he knew that. The loaded gun is a proof of the guy's guilt for me, no question. He was prepaired to kill and willing to. There's no self defense here possible.
metoo4 said:
Bro has soon you pointing a gun to a policeman you can be sure that the policeman is allowed to shot too... and from what I understand this cop was at the front of others so Im 100% sure he had his gun in his hand... Usually the first one shooting have the best chances to survive...
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