Crazy Michele Bachmann blasted by her former campaign manager for vicious accusations

[Merlot]

Hello Turbo,

What Bachman has going for her is that she looks good on camera and her divisive statements are brief and easily grasped onto by people that want to believe in.....something. She has a constituency.

I'm not sure if you mean this in a positive way or not. Having a constituency doesn't mean she has any real positive importance. In 1923 a funny little man obsessed with power used the same method of easily grasped simple statements full of ugly hyperbolic demagoguery to build a constituency among those who were also desperate to believe in something. So rose the Nazi Party.

Okay, putting away the extreme examples, every elected official at any level has a de-facto constituency. The problem with hers is any persons who would stick with such an unrepentant irrational fear mongering leader no matter what she says are probably as irresponsible and dangerous as she is. I'm not saying they are irrelevant, but the fact that people of this ilk on either side of the extreme political spectrum, who grasp at overly simplistic answers based on prejudice, ignorance, irrationality, and desperation worst of all...are a great risk to everyone and everything when they empower any kind like Bachman.

Unfortunately there are a lot of Bachmans with constituencies.

What's wrong with investigations? Nothing. If Abedin has no communication with her family or others that her family knows concerning the Muslim brotherhood, then there is no problem.

Why don't we investigate everyone for everything if there's nothing wrong with "investigations"? I have a first cousin who works for the IRS. I can have him investigate you thoroughly if you want to stand by your McCarthyite premise. Please submit your SS# and we'll get this going ASAP so you can enjoy exactly what you so blithely push on others.

Common sense would say that a key assistant to the Secretary of State, who also happens to be a viable Presidential candidate herself, as well as an ex-President's wife, has probably been vetted (INVESTIGATED) up the butt already till it hurts, and was certainly being watched as a matter of standard procedure before Bachman said anything.

God help us, :amen:

Merlot

 

[daydreamer41]

Why don't we investigate everyone for everything if there's nothing wrong with "investigations"? I have a first cousin who works for the IRS. I can have him investigate you thoroughly if you want to stand by your McCarthyite premise. Please submit your SS# and we'll get this going ASAP so you can enjoy exactly what you so blithely push on others.

Common sense would say that a key assistant to the Secretary of State, who also happens to be a viable Presidential candidate herself, as well as an ex-President's wife, has probably been vetted (INVESTIGATED) up the butt already till it hurts, and was certainly being watched as a matter of standard procedure before Bachman said anything.

God help us, :amen:

Merlot

Merlot, I knew someone like would respond the way you did.

The Muslim Brotherhood isn't anybody. They have terrorist ties. Do you know what terrorists do? Did you read what I wrote, Merlot? Do you know who the new leader wants to release? Of course not, you are trivializing it.

It never ceases to amaze me how liberals like you make everything a Conservative like Bachmann says trivial, no matter how serious what she is saying is.

So you marginalize what I say. You compare it to McCarthyism. What crap.

FYI, Bachmann and other Congressmen probably have access to reports of Abedin vetting. Her ties to her family may not have been looked into. Abedin's mother, brother and deceased father all have had ties to Muslim Brotherhood Operatives. These people are not innocents playing baseball.

Yes, God help us from Liberals like you.

 

[daydreamer41]

Michelle Bachmann's response and links to her letters

Bachmann Statement Regarding the Inspectors General Letters

Washington, Jul 18 -​

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Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (MN-06) issued the following statement today:

“The letters my colleagues and I sent on June 13 to the Inspectors General of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Department of Defense, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice and the Department of State – and the follow up letter I wrote to Rep. Ellison on July 13 – are unfortunately being distorted.

“I encourage everyone, including media outlets, to read them in their entirety. The intention of the letters was to outline the serious national security concerns I had and ask for answers to questions regarding the Muslim Brotherhood and other radical group’s access to top Obama administration officials.

“Most recently, the State Department shockingly decided to give Hani Nour Eldin, a member of an Egyptian designed terrorist group, a visa to not only enter the country in violation of the federal laws prohibiting material support for terrorism, but to be granted a meeting inside the White House with National Security Council officials.

“The terror group member used the opportunity of his White House visit to call for the release of the imprisoned leader of his organization, the “Blind Sheikh,” Omar Abdel Rahman, who is currently serving a life sentence for his role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and later planned terror plots inside the U.S.

“This is just the latest example of the dangerous national security decisions made by the Obama administration. I will not be silent as this administration appeases our enemies instead of telling the truth about the threats our country faces.”

Note: Click here for a PDF of each letter.

http://bachmann.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=303509

 

[Doc Holliday]

The Muslim Brotherhood isn't anybody. They have terrorist ties. Do you know what terrorists do? Did you read what I wrote, Merlot? Do you know who the new leader wants to release? Of course not, you are trivializing it.

I have news for you. Throughout its history, the American government itself has had ties to terrorists & has sanctionned terrorist acts against foreign governments they deemed to be 'unfriendly'. Just take the war that they created in Iraq (among others). A case could easily be made that this was a terrorist act in itself & that the real terrorists were named Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & company.

The Boston tea party....terrorist act. The bombing of Hiroshima & Nagasaki: terrorist acts. The US-sanctionned assassination of Chile President Salvador Allende: terrorist act. I could go on and on.

 

[Lovemaker]

Doc, you are on fire! You owned everyone in this thread, very impressive. I suggest that one of the agencies send over their hottest girl to Toronto for an entire weekend with Doc. We should reward his brilliance in this thread.:thumb:

 

[Lovemaker]

The Muslim Brotherhood isn't anybody. They have terrorist ties.

The Muslim Brotherhood is a product of Israeli terrorism. You should be more worried about Israel than the Muslim Brotherhood or any other "terrorist" organization.

America has a long history of false flag operations and terrorism. Stop watching FoxNews, start reading and learning. You seem very uneducated, which is exactly what the Republicans want and like to exploit.

 

[daydreamer41]

I have news for you. Throughout its history, the American government itself has had ties to terrorists & has sanctionned terrorist acts against foreign governments they deemed to be 'unfriendly'. Just take the war that they created in Iraq (among others). A case could easily be made that this was a terrorist act in itself & that the real terrorists were named Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & company.

The Boston tea party....terrorist act. The bombing of Hiroshima & Nagasaki: terrorist acts. The US-sanctionned assassination of Chile President Salvador Allende: terrorist act. I could go on and on.

Doc, you are sounding more and more like a Liberal moron. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are terrorists? Are you nuts? Terrorists TARGET innocent civilians. Sadam Hussein was not an innocent civilian.

Terrorists walk into a school and start shooting unarmed children. They blow up buses with innocent civilians. Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood do and sanction such acts.

Yeah, go on and on. Your rant is lame.

 

[daydreamer41]

The Muslim Brotherhood is a product of Israeli terrorism. You should be more worried about Israel than the Muslim Brotherhood or any other "terrorist" organization.

America has a long history of false flag operations and terrorism. Stop watching FoxNews, start reading and learning. You seem very uneducated, which is exactly what the Republicans want and like to exploit.

Israeli terrorism? You call me uneducated? You are ignorant as they come. What do you call what happened in Bulgaria? Israel has been subjected to so much terrorism, there is no way you can make such a dishonest statement.

It's just amazing to me how liberals like you, lovemaker and doc, twist things to make the good guys, like the Israelis, bad and the bad guys like the muslim brotherhood, hamas, Iran, Sadam Hussein, the good guys. It's twisted. But that's what Liberalism is - twisted.
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[gll]

lets get back to bachmann--it is very difficult to make a case for the greater intelligence of the right vs the left when the right wingers have as their champion idiots like bachmann

 

[daydreamer41]

Well, gil, if you are calling Bachmann an idiot, that leaves you pretty down low in the scale. She's much smarter than you.

 

[cloudsurf]

Both the extreme right and the extreme left are filled with destructive elements intent on destroying democracy.
My buddy Doc is a moderate liberal with (for the most part) good ideas and intentions.
LM on the other hand is a shit disturber who is rather ignorant of historic facts.
Extremist Islamist groups like the Taliban , MB and others in Africa and Asia, are home grown and came into existance for the sole purpose of dominating their own people.

BTW Doc, the nuclear bombing of Japan was not a terrorist act, but an act of self defense during war, meant to shorten the war and save American lives.

 

[gll]

Well, gil, if you are calling Bachmann an idiot, that leaves you pretty down low in the scale. She's much smarter than you.

considering that you dont know me, a pretty ridiculous statement on your part but good for a laugh. any more juvenile statements for my entertainment???

 

[daydreamer41]

No, Gil. I haven't made any juvenile statements. You have. You called her an idiot. And what do you know about Michelle Bachmann? She's was a tax lawyer with 2 law degrees. What's your pedigree?

 

[Tilt]

Really Doc? Michelle Bachman isn't crazy. QUOTE]

Really daydreamer?

"Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas." -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009

I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence. -Rep. Michele Bachmann, on the 1976 Swine Flu outbreak that happened when Gerald Ford, a Republican, was president, April 28, 2009

I will tell you that I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate. She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter. –Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), on the HPV vaccine, Fox News interview, Sept. 12, 2011

Really daydreamer??? This is a very, very small sample of lunatic ramblings by Michelle Bachmann. A strong case can indeed be made that she is a nutjob!

However, I do agree that no one can possibly be that crazy and stupid at the same time - clearly, her bizarre outbursts are largely calculated attempts to appeal to her electoral base. Who the fuck can say with a straight face that carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas???

If she truly believed the US was in danger, she would have brought it privately to the attention of the appropriate authorities. The fact that she chose to make a public spectacle of it shows it was nothing more than trying to appeal to her equally lunatic constituents and not a genuine national security concern. And, daydreamer, you are Exhibit A that her outburts actually do in fact appeal to the lunatic right.
Your liberal bashing sounds infantile and ignorant, so stop embarrassing yourself - seriously....

 

[Tilt]

BTW Doc, the nuclear bombing of Japan was not a terrorist act, but an act of self defense during war, meant to shorten the war and save American lives.

Self-defense? Was America in imminent danger from all those grandmas and newborns that were incinerated??? There is no justification for dropping a nuclear bomb on a civilian population. NONE!!!!!!!!!
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour, a military target, and America replied with a cowardly nuclear attack on women and children.

Your comment is disgusting.

And, by the way, American lives are not more important than Japanese lives or the lives of anyone else..

 

[Merlot]

Hello all,

It never ceases to amaze me how liberals like you make everything a Conservative like Bachmann says trivial, no matter how serious what she is saying is.

I find you an unthinking person as displayed here in your quote. On this issue I stand on the same side as some of the most venerated Conservatives in Republican history such as Ed Rollins, John Boehner; and semi-Conservative John McCain in saying:

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-aff...bachmann-charge-against-huma-pretty-dangerous

Boehner said he did not know Abedin well, but that “from everything that I know of her she has a sterling character. I think accusations like this being thrown around are pretty dangerous.”

Boehner is the latest high-profile GOP official to criticize the charges by Bachmann and four other GOP lawmakers that Abedin could be using her position at the State Department to aid the Muslim Brotherhood.

In a letter to the inspectors general at several government agencies, the five GOP lawmakers said Abedin’s position affords her access to Clinton, and that the State Department has “taken actions recently that have been enormously favorable to the Muslim Brotherhood.” - John Boehner (Republican - Speaker of the House of Representatives)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/john-mccain-michele-bachmann-muslim_n_1683277.html

"These allegations about Huma and the report from which they are drawn are nothing less than an unwarranted and unfounded attack on an honorable woman, a dedicated American and a loyal public servant," McCain said in a speech on the Senate floor on Wednesday morning.

........continued.....

"The letter alleges that three members of Huma’s family are 'connected to Muslim Brotherhood operatives and/or organizations,'" he said. "Never mind that one of those individuals, Huma’s father, passed away two decades ago. The letter and the report offer not one instance of an action, a decision or a public position that Huma has taken while at the State Department that would lend credence to the charge that she is promoting anti-American activities within our government."

"These attacks on Huma have no logic, no basis and no merit," McCain added. "And they need to stop now."

Abedin, a longtime aide to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, is married to former Democratic Rep. Anthony Weiner, who is Jewish and strongly pro-Israel. - John McCain (leading gov. authority on foreign affairs).

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/rollins-bachmann-muslim-brotherhood/2012/07/19/id/445869

“I have been a practitioner of tough politics for many decades,” he wrote on FoxNews.com Wednesday. “There is little that amazes me and even less that shocks me.”

But this does. “Her unsubstantiated charge against Abedin, a widely respected top aide to Secretary Hillary Clinton, accusing her of some sort of far-fetched connection to the Muslim brotherhood, is extreme and dishonest,” Rollins says.

“Having worked for Congressman Bachman’s campaign for president, I am fully aware that she sometimes has difficulty with her facts, but this is downright vicious and reaches the late Senator Joe McCarthy level.” - Ed Rollins (ex Bachman campaign manager)

These are some of the upper most leaders of the Republican party with Boehner and Rollins being utlra Conservatives. Rollins was Bachman's campaign manager and he referred to her accusation as "MCCARTHY LEVEL". So when you say I'm a "Liberal" for using that term and blasting Bachman as a demagogue you are putting all four of us, Boehner, McCain, Rollins, and Merlot in the liberal category. NOT thinking. BY agreeing with Bachman it's Rollins himself who puts YOU on the "McCarhty Level"!!!

According to Boehner, Bachman and the others not only accuse Abedin of association with the Muslim brotherhood, but also that the "State Department" has been "favorable" to them. This recalls how McCarthy attempted to impugn some in the U.S. Army.

Also, most Conservatives are very respectable and rational. But the Bachman's, Limbaugh's, Coulter's of the world and their ilk are extreme demagogues. The fact that three and more of the very top longtime leaders of the Republican Party condemn Bachman and the others shows the true Conservative stalwarts like Ed Roliins of Fox News finds them too extreme to support, and agreeing with her puts YOU outside of rational Republican Conservatism as being as "EXTREME AND DISHONEST" as her. So it's also YOU they are condemning.

Again, not thinking on your part.

BTW Doc, the nuclear bombing of Japan was not a terrorist act, but an act of self defense during war, meant to shorten the war and save American lives.

Sorry Cloudsurf, I understand the key finer differences between terrorism and what we think of as legitimate war, but what are the real differences? In 1945, Truman promised total destruction if Japan did not surrender, and decided to drop the atomic bomb because of the expected horrific effect on the people and government that should force them to end the war. That sounds like purposeful terror to me....however necessary or justifiable it may have been.

I really don't see a material difference beyond the legal niceties between war and terrorism. Even during that so-called Chivalric veneer of the Middle Ages the carrying out of war meant wanton destruction of materials and people.

"You people speak so lightly of war;.... men think that war is all glamour and glory, but let me tell you, boys, it is all Hell!" - William Tecumseh Sherman

There has never been a civilized war!



Merlot

 

[daydreamer41]

Really Doc? Michelle Bachman isn't crazy. QUOTE]

Really daydreamer?

"Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas." -Rep. Michelle Bachmann, April, 2009

I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I'm not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it's an interesting coincidence. -Rep. Michele Bachmann, on the 1976 Swine Flu outbreak that happened when Gerald Ford, a Republican, was president, April 28, 2009

I will tell you that I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Florida, after the debate. She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter. –Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), on the HPV vaccine, Fox News interview, Sept. 12, 2011

Really daydreamer??? This is a very, very small sample of lunatic ramblings by Michelle Bachmann. A strong case can indeed be made that she is a nutjob!

However, I do agree that no one can possibly to be that crazy and stupid at the same time - clearly, her bizarre outbursts are largely calculated attempts to appeal to her electoral base. Who the fuck can say with a straight face that carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas???

If she truly believed the US was in danger, she would have brought it privately to the attention of the appropriate authorities. The fact that she chose to make a public spectacle of it shows it was nothing more than trying to appeal to her equally lunatic constituents and not a genuine national security concern. And, daydreamer, you are Exhibit A that her outburts actually do in fact appeal to the lunatic right.
Your liberal bashing sounds infantile and ignorant, so stop embarrassing yourself - seriously....

Hey Tilt, you quote Michelle Bachmann, but can you explain what she is saying in the proper context? Probably not. Not because she doesn't make sense. She does. The problem is that you and your liberal brethren do not make sense.

 

[daydreamer41]

Hello all,



I find you an unthinking person as displayed here in your quote. On this issue I stand on the same side as some of the most venerated Conservatives in Republican history such as Ed Rollins, John Boehner; and semi-Conservative John McCain ...

Merlot

I'll get in trouble if I quote your 10 foot rant.

Listen, Merlot, Rollins, Boehner and McCain are all wrong on Bachmann. She is pointing out that Hillary's most closest assistant has relatives who have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and she thinks there should be an investigation on what connections Abedin has or does not have. That's it. It is not a silly issue. The Muslim Brotherhood is a dangerous group with an extreme ideology. And thanks to Obama's and Clinton's incompetence, the Brotherhood has gained power in Egypt's government. The sentence is my statement, not Bachmann's.

Just because Rollins, Boehner and McCain say something and they are Republican doesn't make it true in my eyes. I am thinking person, Merlot. I think Bachmann is right on this one.

By the way, I look at each issue independently.

 

[rumpleforeskiin]

The Council on Foreign Relations(CFR) is considered to be America's most influential foreign-policy think tank. Guess who its current chairman is, David Rockefeller! Its members have included politicians, more than a dozen Secretaries of State, former national security officers, bankers, lawyers, professors, former CIA members and senior media figures. Seven American presidents have addressed the Council, two while still in office – Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.

Nice research, but... The CFR is a private non-profit, with no real power or influence.

 

[amazona]

No, Gil. I haven't made any juvenile statements. You have. You called her an idiot. And what do you know about Michelle Bachmann? She's was a tax lawyer with 2 law degrees. What's your pedigree?

I am not going to make any comment M.Bachmann much all I know she is a jerk ,but I have a question.Don't you think being an idiot has nothing to do with a degree.