You are starting some serious, bad rumors. Shame on you! I did not ask for BBFS nor do you have any idea of the statement I made. Since I didn't get a lifetime ban it was obviously an innocent statement. If you continue you reading that post it says, "...writing about it in any other context".
Danger of bbfs
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I used to work at a MP where a girl was rumored to offer BBFs but there's no way of knowing if it's true or not.. In general I think it's probably not the agency or spa owner's fault generally and they probably aren't aware of it, but I have no idea. Maybe some turn a blind eye. I think these threads kinda create a climate of fear and paranoia hence our reactions earlier.. Particularly since last summer, I and a few other colleagues were constantly harassed over text by random people who found us here for BBFs and these people were very rude and bragged about assaulting agency girls and doing bbfs with them. We ended up finding this forum where guys actually promote providers who offer them.
Ultimately we can't prevent anybody from offering them, but yeah from the little bit of investigating I've done, it seems like people are aware of who offers them..
I truly apologize, I made a big mistake.
But if you look at the screenshot, it's very ambiguously phrased. It says you promoted somebody who offered BBFs. I see now that you just made an innocent statement, and it wasn't your fault. It just seemed like a strange coincidence that this screenshot was posted but you commented here, that's all. We know people are seeking BBFs so we are all kind of worried about it. This is about everyone's health.Also should mention this and I tell sps this, if a client is pushing you for bbfs, genital rubbing( pussy slide for example others) etc trying to remove the condom, let them know the legal implications. Ask them if they want to be arrested for aggravated assault, have their face in major news publications, or put on a sex offenders list. Many sps I know now stand their ground and tell these clients the implications if any client is smart they won't ask for even a pussy slide, genital rubbing which is also bbfs and is assault.Don't ask and their won't be any reproductions.
Also, I mentioned this before but there are nasty clients who will start rumours about girls who refuse it, I know one who quit before because it was not true and getting ambushed by bbfs requesting clients. I am sure there are sps that offer it too but they should be permanently banned and blacklisted from this industry too.
Also, I mentioned this before but there are nasty clients who will start rumours about girls who refuse it, I know one who quit before because it was not true and getting ambushed by bbfs requesting clients. I am sure there are sps that offer it too but they should be permanently banned and blacklisted from this industry too.
Glad you mention pussy slide and genital rubbing as many don't realize the risks involved.
The reason talking about this practice was strictly prohibited is that accusing someone of engaging in this without solid proofs can seriously impact one’s reputation whether they’re a provider or a client. While it seems to now be tolerated and could be beneficial for the sake of bringing awareness, I will still respect the former rules and refrain from talking about it in the future. I have writing a post in the health section about where you can get tested in Montreal (and around).
Enjoy the weekend loves
Enjoy the weekend loves
Here are a few points I want to make about this subject before the thread gets closed. And I apologize again to the gentleman I offended.
1- Reporting an assault to the police can backfire against a provider and the client risks only being arrested for seeking the services of a sex worker, not for violence. Also girls who don't screen and people who work for establishments that don't screen are not protected in this case.
2- There's a lack of transparency about the rules in regards to this topic, and about the language used when someone is suspended for discussing it. There is a huge difference between "promotion of a provider who offers BBFs" and someone trying to warn others that someone is not being careful. I accused someone by mistake yesterday and I feel really bad for it, but the language used is ambiguous.
3- Like Lena said one of the reasons why this rule is in place is to avoid rumors and hearsay, and unless multiple clients have reported they have been offered BBFs by a client we can't know for sure if it's true. Another reason is that some bad actors who don't care about their health and everyone else's will try to find out who the person is so they can book her, or if she is named it gives her publicity.
(Example: last year there was a similar controversy around BBFs. Since I commented on the thread to de-escalate, I was bombarded with questions from clients who wanted to know if I had a list of providers who offer them, then I was harassed and sent death threats over text and so was another provider here who had initially expressed concerns. One client I had never interacted with reached out through my X account to accuse a very popular and well reviewed provider of offering BBFs, hoping I would spread the info)
4- It's not up to us to deal with providers who offer BBFs at spas and agencies in my opinion. Agency and spa owners have a lot of experience in the industry and I trust that those who want to protect the reputation of their establishment will deal with it. I recommend reaching out to this specific provider's boss or booker if you have concerns...
Being a provider I definitely feel concerned for my health finding out how common this so maybe this will bring more awareness.. have a nice weekend.
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Replying to the topic of “dangers of bbfs”
From my understanding, bbbj carries nearly all of the same risks of bbfs except for HIV. I would imagine that if one or both parties have received the Lenacapavir shot, then bbfs would carry nearly the same risk. Maybe the increased cases of bbfs being offered is due to the lenacapavir?
From my understanding, bbbj carries nearly all of the same risks of bbfs except for HIV. I would imagine that if one or both parties have received the Lenacapavir shot, then bbfs would carry nearly the same risk. Maybe the increased cases of bbfs being offered is due to the lenacapavir?
Hi,
I've been participating in this industry for 5+ years and I want to share my experience/perspective on this. I always have and will always avoid any SP offering bbfs. However, if I was meeting an SP and realized she offers it once on site (happened 3-4 times), I would go through with the booking, obviously using full protection (not even do bbbj) and I figured the risks weren't that different then other SPs which you can never really know what they do professionally or in their personal lives. Recently, I had a incident in a booking where the condom slipped. I noticed almost immediately and put another one on. The SP was a little unhappy which is reassuring but it made me reflect on my position regarding this. From now on, I will leave any booking immediately if bbfs is offered or if I realize it's an option. Furthermore, I am on a little break (waiting 3 months to test due to the slippage) but I'm thinking of changing from agencies to well reviewed Indies. Probably will be more expensive but feels safer right now.
As a sidenote, if anyone contacts me for references to bbfs, I will forward the message to mods.
I've been participating in this industry for 5+ years and I want to share my experience/perspective on this. I always have and will always avoid any SP offering bbfs. However, if I was meeting an SP and realized she offers it once on site (happened 3-4 times), I would go through with the booking, obviously using full protection (not even do bbbj) and I figured the risks weren't that different then other SPs which you can never really know what they do professionally or in their personal lives. Recently, I had a incident in a booking where the condom slipped. I noticed almost immediately and put another one on. The SP was a little unhappy which is reassuring but it made me reflect on my position regarding this. From now on, I will leave any booking immediately if bbfs is offered or if I realize it's an option. Furthermore, I am on a little break (waiting 3 months to test due to the slippage) but I'm thinking of changing from agencies to well reviewed Indies. Probably will be more expensive but feels safer right now.
As a sidenote, if anyone contacts me for references to bbfs, I will forward the message to mods.
Maybe. But these types of preventive drugs give a false sense of safety.
While they're quite effective at preventing infection with most types of HIV-1, they're not equally effective against all variants.
And they are almost completely ineffective at preventing HIV-2. While HIV-2 is only really common in Africa, HIV-2 is increasingly spreading to Canada because we have a lot of immigration from Africa, especially in Quebec and Ontario.
I don't think so. Nobody has proven that there's an actual increase of BBFs being offered.. and in my opinion if there is, it's more likely to be because of the economy. I'm on prep but only as a preventative measure, not so I can offer BBFs. In my humble opinion if someone is careless or desperate enough to offer them chances are they didn't think of getting it prescribed ...
Also the reason why we avoid BBFs isn't only to prevent HIV.. it's also because all other STIs are much more easily transmitted that way, and there's the possibility of getting pregnant for a lot of people.
The reality is some offer BBFS because there are clients who want it and will pay for it.
I personally will not do BBFS, and if a provider offered it I would not accept their offer for it.
I personally will not do BBFS, and if a provider offered it I would not accept their offer for it.
That's my whole point. BBFs would probably be way less common if clients didn't ask for it. Particularly new girls get pressured for it.. my first year I remember multiple clients were asking, not only over text but in person. Some would show up and say "I have a vasectomy, we don't have to use a condom do we?" And they played dumb. It's far from being most clients who seek that but there is a group of them..
And let me tell you something. Most of the time I was asked for BBFs I wasn't even offered extra money for it. I've heard of high end very low volume providers offering it for an even higher rate and a test in other provinces, and in the context of arrangements. But we're talking about mid range indies, leolist girls and agency & spa girls right now. These clients just assume we are desperate and have no bookings so they think we will give them what they want. And honestly if someone is in a desperate financial situation she may say yes.
Because of the way things are in Montreal the more services you offer the more clients you will have even if they're dangerous or things you hate doing.
