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The National Guard is stationed in the U.S. Capitol with up to 15,000 members to be deployed in Washington ahead of Joe Biden's inauguration on January 20. Internal FBI reports say armed protests by Trump loyalists are expected across America as Congress moves to impeach the president for a second time.

Who is going to pay for this? it's all Americans.

Trump is going to cost the state a fortune, think of all the collateral costs.
 

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OOPS... Just a small misstatement. Move along , nothing to see here.
CORRECTION: A previous version of this story misstated that Rep. Ted Lieu grabbed a crowbar before leaving his office. He grabbed a ProBar energy bar.
 

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John Sullivan, a Black Lives Matter activist, was arrested for allegedly participating in last week’s rioting at the U.S. Capitol.


Utah activist John Sullivan was booked at the Tooele County Jail on a warrant Thursday for allegedly participating in last week’s rioting at the U.S. Capitol.
Sullivan was charged in federal court in the District of Columbia with civil disorder, being in a restricted area and disorderly conduct.


For lovers of legalese, here are the details of the criminal complaint against him.
 

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John Sullivan, a Black Lives Matter activist, was arrested for allegedly participating in last week’s rioting at the U.S. Capitol.
I don't know if you noticed but I posted Sullivan's video of the events at Post #98 which include the most graphic video available of Ashley Babbitt's fatal shooting (you can see her body flying through the air after being shot off her climb up the door). Ironically, Sullivan's video could be a key piece of evidence in the investigation of that incident. As well, he is a key witness and his pending charges may compel him to testify against others/strike deals with prosecutors to get rid of them. He has already given interviews with the press in which he stated that he did not think Ashley Babbitt deserved to be shot. From my own viewing of both his video and another angle of the shooting that is more heavily focused on the shooter (Sullivan's video just captures the extended arm and gun and the lean into the shot), I think it's a very close call but prosecutors will err on the side of not bringing charges based on self defense and defense of property. I do think the Capital Police officer flat panicked, as is evidenced from his body language in both videos.

Sullivan is also a front and center witness to the destruction of that door. He does not appear to do anything other than film the event, and pretend to be a right wing nutjob like the others. However, he exposed himself to criminal charges by becoming part of the mob in order to film the mob.
 
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He does not appear to do anything other than film the event, and pretend to be a right wing nutjob like the others.
Except maybe making a few innocent remarks.
In the footage he provided to the FBI, Sullivan can be heard saying as rioters climb a wall, “You guys are f—–g savage. Let’s go!” prosecutors say.

Once inside the Capitol, he tells the protestors, “We gotta get this s–t burned. He also says, “it’s our house m———–s” and “we are getting this s–t” as he roamed the building, according to court papers.
 

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I'm pleased that you have elevated this discussion in using a latin phrase. (even if you don't appear to know its meaning). Are you a graduate of Trump University or were you not able to continue your education as you donated all your money to the Trump "charity"?

You want Bezos to be put into prison "for a long time", yet you seem blind to your hero's crimes. Surely, punishment should have some relationship to the gravity of the crimes committed. Do you now understand how my comment is relevant to yours?
Save your breath anon_vlad, "To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead". -Thomas Paine
 

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Except maybe making a few innocent remarks.
He said in interviews that he was pretending to be a right wing nut job. I don't think that constitutes a valid legal defense of any kind to a charge of creating a public disturbance by inciting a mob. However, I don't think you understand why he was charged. It's not about politics, it's about winning in Court. Prosecutors were pissed when they heard him giving interviews to the press that he should be giving to them. He will likely plea bargain away for favorable testimony against the others. The prosecutors only want to win and the charges were leverage to present a winning case. They would have charged any knucklehead in these circumstances regardless of political beliefs because: (a) he broke the law, (b) he is a key witness, and (c) he was giving his eyewitness statements to the press when he should be talking to LE and the prosecutors.

In his interviews, Sullivan said he was initially treated hostilely by his fellow mob members who chanted "Antifa" and "BLM". This due to him being black. He then started chanting right wing slogans and they allowed him to join. He will likely argue he needed to do so for his own self protection, but since he inserted himself into this mess and became an active part of it, it will not fly, and he will have to bend over, spread his butt cheeks and do what prosecutors ask to get rid of the charges.
 
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I don't think that constitutes a valid legal defense of any kind to a charge of creating a public disturbance by inciting a mob. However, I don't think you understand why he was charged. It's not about politics, it's about winning in Court
Of course, I don't understand, how could I. In any case, he has an ironclad legal defense as he is a BLM activist and was taking part in a peaceful protest.
 

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I guess rightwingers proudly view this individual as not only a fine American patriot but also a very well-dressed and sensible gentleman. Those who are not rightwing nutjobs might, however, choose to disagree. They might even think that the QAnon mama's boy is a traitor. Trump probably thinks he is a very fine person.

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He said in interviews that he was pretending to be a right wing nut job. I don't think that constitutes a valid legal defense of any kind to a charge of creating a public disturbance by inciting a mob. However, I don't think you understand why he was charged. It's not about politics, it's about winning in Court. Prosecutors were pissed when they heard him giving interviews to the press that he should be giving to them. He will likely plea bargain away for favorable testimony against the others. The prosecutors only want to win and the charges were leverage to present a winning case. They would have charged any knucklehead in these circumstances regardless of political beliefs because: (a) he broke the law, (b) he is a key witness, and (c) he was giving his eyewitness statements to the press when he should be talking to LE and the prosecutors.

In his interviews, Sullivan said he was initially treated hostilely by his fellow mob members who chanted "Antifa" and "BLM". This due to him being black. He then started chanting right wing slogans and they allowed him to join. He will likely argue he needed to do so for his own self protection, but since he inserted himself into this mess and became an active part of it, it will not fly, and he will have to bend over, spread his butt cheeks and do what prosecutors ask to get rid of the charges.
I may not be an attorney, but to me, the second he illegally walked through the doors of my nations capitol building he committed a crime just like everybody else. Peaceful rallies and protests are totally fine. If at anytime the crowd decides to do something stupid it's time to just walk away.
 

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I may not be an attorney, but to me, the second he illegally walked through the doors of my nations capitol building he committed a crime just like everybody else. Peaceful rallies and protests are totally fine. If at anytime the crowd decides to do something stupid it's time to just walk away.
Did I not say exactly that? But the prosecutors want testimony from him. He was blabbing statements to news media that should have been discussed privately with police and prosecutors. He might have even avoided being charged if he had gone straight to police/prosecutors with his video and cooperated. His testimony and video is key in a lot of the criminal cases and certainly in the decision whether to charge the Capitol Police Officer with shooting and killing Babbitt. I see it being a very close call in favor of no charge.

If nothing else they stopped him from talking to and giving interviews with the media. He now has to lawyer up and will be told to STFU.
 
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Did I not say exactly that? But the prosecutors want testimony from him. He was blabbing statements to news media that should have been discussed privately with police and prosecutors. He might have even avoided being charged if he had gone straight to police/prosecutors with his video and cooperated. His testimony and video is key in a lot of the criminal cases and certainly in the decision whether to charge the Capitol Police Officer with shooting and killing Babbitt. I see it being a very close call in favor of no charge.

If nothing else they stopped him from talking to and giving interviews with the media. He now has to lawyer up and will be told to STFU.
I guess my “I may not be an attorney” intro was taken the wrong way. I do agree with you and you did say pretty much that. I was reinforcing your comment.
 
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Thoses morons will end up fucked thrice: prosecuted, let down by the politicians who incited them, and the whole fight was not for what they tought it was anyway: the Guardian has an interesting view on who's behind that whole thing... as usual, follow the money. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/15/trump-republicans-election-defeat-club-for-growth
Interesting point. I think the chances of "QAnon Shaman" getting his requested pardon by Trump, even as unpredictable as Trump is, are pretty close to zero.

Some of these guys are facing the prospect of serious jail time. Many of them will contend that they were peacefully engaged, but this will be a problematic argument in many cases because of all the video evidence out there, especially Sullivan's video. It made me wonder if they arrested the kid in Sullivan's video seen bashing the Capital door window with what looks like a rock moments before Babbitt is shot. I am curious to see what charges he will face. I really think he is the guy that spooked the Capital Police officer who then fired that kill shot.
 
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I guess rightwingers proudly view this individual as not only a fine American patriot but also a very well-dressed and sensible gentleman. Those who are not rightwing nutjobs might, however, choose to disagree. They might even think that the QAnon mama's boy is a traitor. Trump probably thinks he is a very fine person.

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Give him a drum to bang on and send him to a Democratic rally and you guys would welcome him as a fine upstanding Native American and would have no problem with the way he is dressed.
To me he is a nut job no matter where he goes.
 
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QAnon Shaman's Attorney Seeks Pardoon From Trump:
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I guess rightwingers proudly view this individual as not only a fine American patriot but also a very well-dressed and sensible gentleman. Those who are not rightwing nutjobs might, however, choose to disagree. They might even think that the QAnon mama's boy is a traitor. Trump probably thinks he is a very fine person.

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..and plus ---if i remember well--;) he said.....LOVE YOU.
 
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