Kissing: definitely required to repeat
BBBJ: dealbreaker
DATY: as a newbie, rather not DATY as still worried about STI, probably not logical to worry about this but still do.
Dealbreaker or not?
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BBBJ: dealbreaker
DATY: as a newbie, rather not DATY as still worried about STI, probably not logical to worry about this but still do.
As I said, it may be a wrong impression, however to me DATY would be like bareback FS, whereas BBBJ seems lower risk. If equivalent then why no bareback FS, always thought it was for STI risks?
daty is not the same risk as bareback fs at all. bareback anal and vaginal penetration are the riskiest sexual acts..
bbbj and daty have the same amount of risk for you. you can get an sti both from bbbj and daty..
I totally agree with you.
I will not book someone who doesn’t kiss or doesn’t do oral both ways.
I see ladies that I know well and consider as friends, for me it is not just about sex I genuinely like and care about the women I see.
While most men can have sex purely based on physical attraction me included it is so much better when you have a connection and a friendship with the escort you are seeing. Yes it takes time and it is rare to find this type of connection but well worth it when you do.
Excuse me but did you fail Biology 101? Kissing Definitely Required but no DATY due STI?
Did you know that HPV- which is the most harmful STI because (1) it's symptomless and (2) it's generally the only STI that will kill you and not be treatable with ABs because it leads to cancer, and (3) you can get it from kissing just as easily as you can get it from BBBJ and DATY?
If you guys can't post something about STIs that isn't totally moronic and not based on any science, please refrain from posting it.
Chlamydia is the most common STI and it is easily cured with a short course of Zithromax. It's bacterial, and any bacterial STI is potentially cured by antibiotics.
While it's true that 80% of us may have some form of HPV, it's delusional to think you can safely kiss escorts and refrain from DATY and never get it, if you are in the 20% that do not have it.
HPV is responsible for 70% of all oropharyngeal cancers. I saw my coworker die from it, very, very horribly. He went through 3 different wives and there were many girlfriends between his marriages. Lots of women in his life. Whether he got the cancer from kissing or DATY we will never know, but he did get throat cancer that was caused by HPV. His initial treatment at Sloan Kettering nearly killed him, but after a few months he was pronounced cancer free. He worked another 1.5 to 2 years before it came back. When the cancer came back, it came back very aggressive and was completely resistant to treatment. It quickly metastasized to his lungs.
I saw him in the hospital 24 hours before he passed, after getting word from his family that the end was near. He was being given morphine for his pain and something else for anxiety, but what was most horrible was I could tell he could not breathe. He was taking rapid breaths like he was struggling for air. Clearly he was slowly choking to death. As I neared his bed he looked in my eyes and tried to speak. His lips moved but there was insufficient air capacity to get any words out. He tried a few more times to speak but when it became clear he couldn't blow out the air sufficient to vocalize words, he gave up. Instead, he just grabbed my hand. To this day, I can only speculate what he tried to say to me by way of his last words. I like to think it would have been something like, "hey man, we had a great run." And we did. We worked together for 20 years.
I never saw anyone die as horribly.
Cancer is a terrible thing to die from, I know first hand I watched my wife die from lung cancer ( probably caused by smoking) but what is even worse is living your life in fear of it.
Most of us have or have had a form of HPV ( it does not effect the majority of people adversely) and throat cancer is a rare occurrence about 3% compared to other cancers.
Yes you can get it from kissing but your chances are extremely low probably about the same as getting lung cancer from second hand smoke so perhaps fear mongering is not what is needed.
One of the most famous cases is Micheal Douglas and he is still alive, he is now 80 with many years of Daty behind him lol.
Most of us have or have had a form of HPV ( it does not effect the majority of people adversely) and throat cancer is a rare occurrence about 3% compared to other cancers.
Yes you can get it from kissing but your chances are extremely low probably about the same as getting lung cancer from second hand smoke so perhaps fear mongering is not what is needed.
One of the most famous cases is Micheal Douglas and he is still alive, he is now 80 with many years of Daty behind him lol.
It’s a combination of things like many partners and a lot of data! Never heard of of anyone passing just from kissing!
Im really sorry about this. I got my HPV vaccine because I don't want my health to suffer from what I'm doing and I don't want to hurt anyone. I recommend other providers to do the same. What you're saying is true HPV can cause cancer...Excuse me but did you fail Biology 101? Kissing Definitely Required but no DATY due STI?
Did you know that HPV- which is the most harmful STI because (1) it's symptomless and (2) it's generally the only STI that will kill you and not be treatable with ABs because it leads to cancer, and (3) you can get it from kissing just as easily as you can get it from BBBJ and DATY?
If you guys can't post something about STIs that isn't totally moronic and not based on any science, please refrain from posting it.
Chlamydia is the most common STI and it is easily cured with a short course of Zithromax. It's bacterial, and any bacterial STI is potentially cured by antibiotics.
While it's true that 80% of us may have some form of HPV, it's delusional to think you can safely kiss escorts and refrain from DATY and never get it, if you are in the 20% that do not have it.
HPV is responsible for 70% of all oropharyngeal cancers. I saw my coworker die from it, very, very horribly. He went through 3 different wives and there were many girlfriends between his marriages. Lots of women in his life. Whether he got the cancer from kissing or DATY we will never know, but he did get throat cancer that was caused by HPV. His initial treatment at Sloan Kettering nearly killed him, but after a few months he was pronounced cancer free. He worked another 1.5 to 2 years before it came back. When the cancer came back, it came back very aggressive and was completely resistant to treatment. It quickly metastasized to his lungs.
I saw him in the hospital 24 hours before he passed, after getting word from his family that the end was near. He was being given morphine for his pain and something else for anxiety, but what was most horrible was I could tell he could not breathe. He was taking rapid breaths like he was struggling for air. Clearly he was slowly choking to death. As I neared his bed he looked in my eyes and tried to speak. His lips moved but there was insufficient air capacity to get any words out. He tried a few more times to speak but when it became clear he couldn't blow out the air sufficient to vocalize words, he gave up. Instead, he just grabbed my hand. To this day, I can only speculate what he tried to say to me by way of his last words. I like to think it would have been something like, "hey man, we had a great run." And we did. We worked together for 20 years.
I never saw anyone die as horribly.
I did the same before returning to SW. One of my aunts died from cervical cancer from HPV. Also threw my other job have seen patients who passed from throat and different cancers. But the vaccine doesn't cover every possible version of HPV just certain kinds, which adds to my reluctance to bbbj.
My coworker cited Michael Douglas as his inspiration during his treatment. He had the same specialist at Sloan Kettering that Douglas did. Douglas beat the cancer; my coworker did not. Same doctor and same treatment. Different result.
Your post is correct that most of us have HPV. I laud the younger generation that got the vaccination before age 25. It was not available before I was 25.
For those of us that have HPV in our bodies, it become a risk as we age and our immune system weakens. When you get into your 60s and 70s. Not really a concern for the young or those who have been vaccinated.
It's a complete mystery why some things work for some people and not others, or why some people get sick and not others. You almost have to think it's a universal randomizer. You watch people live through the most horrible sicknesses and accidents and then have others die from a scratch. There's simply too many mitigating factors and ways in which your body can be affected to spend overmuch time trying to protect yourself from everything, and ultimately all you can rely on is the odds and common sense.
On the lighter side, Michael Douglas rolled the dice by going down on Catherine Zeta Jones. Hard to blame the guy, really. lol.
This is all true, but the main point of my post was that insisting on kissing being a dealbreaker while excluding DATY based on a fear of STI is just illogical and confused thinking. The potentially most deadly STI is HPV because it will cause cancer, and it will come into your body just as easily from kissing from a saliva exchange as it will from tongue to pussy. This didn't seem to dawn on one poster and, I suspect, many others. While it's true you will not have anything to worry about very likely until you get much older- 60 plus- it's not the way you want to leave this world.It's a complete mystery why some things work for some people and not others, or why some people get sick and not others. You almost have to think it's a universal randomizer. You watch people live through the most horrible sicknesses and accidents and then have others die from a scratch. There's simply too many mitigating factors and ways in which your body can be affected to spend overmuch time trying to protect yourself from everything, and ultimately all you can rely on is the odds and common sense.
On the lighter side, Michael Douglas rolled the dice by going down on Catherine Zeta Jones. Hard to blame the guy, really. lol.
The illogic is what caused my post.
agree 100%. I was taking a slight tangent, in that there are so many things in the world that become potentially cancer causing that it becomes overwhelming trying to protect yourself from all of them, and that if you try then your life becomes hardly worth living, hence the common sense and odds comment. I just assume there is a certain amount of risk that I take just by virtue of being alive every day (accidents/sickness/zombies/whatever) and that I take reasonable precautions to minimize risk without being able to eliminate it completely.
every young person should get the HPV vaccine. if you are a female sex worker, then its a no brainer. likely you should also have Hep A and B vaccines as well.
life is risk: risk is life. We all have different risk tolerances. I do not judge those with either more risk or less risk than my self. I expect the same from others.
I also have a non judgemental attitude towards STD's. They are part of life, just like the flu etc. if you get one, likely it is curable. Seek treatment and ignore those who
put a stigmata on it.
Tor
life is risk: risk is life. We all have different risk tolerances. I do not judge those with either more risk or less risk than my self. I expect the same from others.
I also have a non judgemental attitude towards STD's. They are part of life, just like the flu etc. if you get one, likely it is curable. Seek treatment and ignore those who
put a stigmata on it.
Tor
I have seen an even more funny one some would do daty but only take a cbj. I say if your too scared be monagamous but even then it’s not a guarantee . Thanks for bringing attention to that and sorry for your loss
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Thanks for the numerous attacks , just being open about my way of rationalising about it as this was the poll questions, even though not that logical that is how I think about it.
, just being open about my way of rationalising about it as this was the poll questions, even though not that logical that is how I think about it.What you think is not important, only facts are. That's why being informed is important to be able to make a clear choice of what activities you are ready to partake in! Get informed, get tested regularly (minimum once a year, twice a year is even better, more often if you feel it's necessary), and use protection!Thanks for the numerous attacks
Back to main questions here..
Briefly answered: not, not, not ... BUT
On the other hand, why I'm looking into the SP world is that I feel there's a higher probability to deal with someone I can establish an intimate relationship (even if it's for a blink of an eye moment).. where there's actual interest from the provider to help (me) feel like a more natural situation.
And in such a natural situation, I would expect kissing to happen, and daty for sure cuz I can't stop to love see a women shiver when this is happening. Now for bbbj... if she offers reciprocal from daty I'll be happy for sure, but it's not mandatory.
As long as the overall experience makes Johnny .. cuz he can be stubborn like he'll (especially if it's purely transactional).
Now, I would be open to lite dominating queening and FF on the other side.. but that would be after a few repeat, cuz it would require some kind of mutual trust imho
