There are so many different arguments to this issue. One could say well you are getting a nice dinner at let's say an upscale restaurant, so you should not charge but as you point out if there are costs like maybe a babysitter or travel fees that would make sense to charge something, even the opportunity cost of staying home, doing things with friends or missing out on a booking because you have that time allotted to the diner date I suppose does warrant a fee, I think it's the gap between a social vs regular booking that is the issue
Dinner dates and overnights
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If I just wanted a nice dinner I could go on tinder and get that.
(Let me just start by saying I'm not arguing with you as I know you weren't talking about your personal views necessarily but just giving an example)
"One could say well you are getting a nice dinner" yeah a nice dinner that we could afford on our own and eat alone or with friends and family! Lol. We are still on the clock, with a man who hired us to spend time with him. So of course it makes sense to charge! But the meal and social aspect are why most of us have lower hourly rates for social/dinner dates.
It would make sense for a client to bring up the food cost if we were starving and begging for a meal. But the only reason we're having this meal at the restaurant in the first place is because someone wanted to spend an evening with us - we didn't seek that meal ourselves.
If one day a guy asks that he doesn't pay me for time at the restaurant, I will suggest that I can simply join him at his room after he's done enjoying his meal alone. OR I would offer to pay me and let me take care of my food (I hope he's embarassed once I show up to the restaurant with a sandwich from home).
100% agree with that.
On the other hand if the client is willing to pay for a fancy dinner he could also just go on Tinder and find a woman for a date. Maybe book an SP for afterwards. In fact, I am pretty sure people do that.
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Hahaha fair point. I guess it does not apply to people who have the personality of a wet towel or that of a concrete brick.
Funny how the reality of men and women on Tinder is so different
Not everyone is as good looking and charming as you, Apollo
Since I don't consider myself to have such a personality, I can safely say that Tinder is a confidence killer and an absolute waste of time and energy for 95% of men.
I've been avoiding Tinder like the plague for years. What a horrible way to meet people.
Fortunately for me, I'm still able to meet interesting women naturally every once in a while
Your outcall rate does not cover you leaving the house? In the first meeting I picked them up at a corner close to their place and went to the hotel I had and dinner was after. Then I drove them to their door as there was some trust.
I have things to pay in order to be able to free myself for an evening and get to the destination. Going there for free no matter how fantastic the dinner experience is, wouldn’t make sense for me financially.
I have in rare cases accepted to extend a dinner date free or charge but they still paid the dinner date rate.
At the beginning of my journey in this hobby I thought that paying for social time was ridiculous.
Then I started to book frequently 5h at normal rate in Montreal and I would bring some food and drinks. Cost of $1,300 + $100 for the food and drinks. Incall locations.
It was really fun. It was another experience to know someone and not being in the rush. It’s good to be the only client of the day basically
Yep! That’s why they are fully booked lol
Sometimes it’s just one guy like me.
So I started to like this type of booking more. And eventually I got bored and needed to diversify my activities. I started to go out for social time but at normal rate.
I was like damn. I became this type of client who do social time .
Now that I read some of Indy comments about pricing for social time I think I got overcharged but they are agency girls so it’s not flexible during the agency shift. I should have go more with indy for this type of booking but you like who you like.
Rate wise it seems like a better deal to book an Indy if you go over 4h. Under 4h agencies have a better pricing IMO
Anyways one of my best booking was a 8h booking at a 5 star hotel in NYC . We just kept on drinking pure vodka and having fun until the day was up. From midnight to 8 am basically. No sleep. I don’t remember eating something even beside of her V.
About actually sleeping I never done it, somehow I would be nervous and still think it’s ridiculous to pay for someone to sleep
that’s my mental limit but I respect clients who need another type of experience.
Have fun everyone !
Then I started to book frequently 5h at normal rate in Montreal and I would bring some food and drinks. Cost of $1,300 + $100 for the food and drinks. Incall locations.
It was really fun. It was another experience to know someone and not being in the rush. It’s good to be the only client of the day basically
Yep! That’s why they are fully booked lol
Sometimes it’s just one guy like me.
So I started to like this type of booking more. And eventually I got bored and needed to diversify my activities. I started to go out for social time but at normal rate.
I was like damn. I became this type of client who do social time .
Now that I read some of Indy comments about pricing for social time I think I got overcharged but they are agency girls so it’s not flexible during the agency shift. I should have go more with indy for this type of booking but you like who you like.
Rate wise it seems like a better deal to book an Indy if you go over 4h. Under 4h agencies have a better pricing IMO
Anyways one of my best booking was a 8h booking at a 5 star hotel in NYC . We just kept on drinking pure vodka and having fun until the day was up. From midnight to 8 am basically. No sleep. I don’t remember eating something even beside of her V
. About actually sleeping I never done it, somehow I would be nervous and still think it’s ridiculous to pay for someone to sleep
that’s my mental limit but I respect clients who need another type of experience.
Have fun everyone !
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But the dinner would include a session which is your hourly rate so you are not going for free. I have taken clients out for dinner and also have had contractors take me out for dinners all part of keeping a business relationship. Now I don't expect a no charge dinner but the 2 SP's I mentioned did get more sessions out of their no charge dinner rates. You can bet that if I saw a SP that advertised no charge dinners I would look into it.
So I’m basically volunteering for the dinner portion and being paid for the intimacy part? I’d rather stay home and show up only for the intimacy part.
I am not a clock watcher but I totally would become one if I was giving away my time.
That’s all hypothetical anyways because this situation has never happened to me. Anyone who wanted to have dinner with me paid for my time. I’m not really a clock watcher in that case and it happens more often than not that I will stay a little longer because we are having a good time and don’t want to leave so abruptly.
A free fancy dinner isn’t my thing. 2 hours that I could have spent napping, relaxing or seeing someone who pays.
In short: "Don't forget I'm running a business here"
Yep and I’d personally feel less insulted if someone asked for a discount than if someone asked for a free fancy dinner.
I might reconsider if it’s a place that’s out of my budget like Toqué!, Europea, Okeya Kyujiro or Mousso but unless I already know the man it’s very unlikely
I 100% agree with you, but as in your example these are existing clients with whom you already have a business relationship with. It's just partner management 101. I am sure that a lot of SPs will offer this to their loyal clients but they would not be advertising this publicly to potential new ones.
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One of the many reasons I enjoy repeating. I never expect a freebie of any kind at any time, but I do get the odd one once in a while, and it's very much appreciated.
There's also the fact that companionship is quite literally what our service is all about. Yes I'm sure people in all types of businesses go for free dinners with clients, but that's because companionahship isn't part of the service offered. If a programmer had a business meeting/dinner with a client, I highly doubt that would also come with two free websites and a free app. It's just different businesses, in our case a free dinner IS free labor/service. Lol
And you're spot on - we are human beings, of course some escorts do go eat with their favorites "off the clock". It's just not advertised because it's at the discretion of everyone involved, and it isn't about client retention, as that typically would only happen with clients we trust and are already quite close with and have seen often.
Julia, I go the extra mile for my business partners.
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