I personally don't want to have a roommate with a guy named bubba soley because I'm a failure with women.
Do any of you dare try to hobby in the US?
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Not worth it to me. Montreal is a reasonable drive for me, and I would rather do that. And LE is all over the place in the NY Metro area, where I live.
Plus in parts of Nevada, where it is legal, the prices for incalls are highway robbery!
Clark
Plus in parts of Nevada, where it is legal, the prices for incalls are highway robbery!
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Lucky you live close on Montreal. The cheapest flight I've ever had was $240 and hotel is gonna be at least $120 for both nights I'm there. But yeah, I don't want to take the risk here. Oh well, so I guess I have sex less than those sexless marriages that are defined as 12 or less times per year! hurray for me!
JackBauer2 said:Try jetblue...they have cheap airfare to Burlington and then rent a car...cheap way to coming for hobby in Montreal...
JB2
Everytime I've driven over the US border in a rental car I've been detained for well over an hour, but I'll check out those prices.
$240 for a flight ticket to Montreal? What airline was that?
The cheapest price I've EVER seen was $300, and even that is history, because Air Canada has just jacked up their fares by A LOT.
The cheapest price I've EVER seen was $300, and even that is history, because Air Canada has just jacked up their fares by A LOT.
JackBauer2 said:
That's all irrelevant now as a lot has changed since last summer. Gas prices have shot up. Airlines have reduced capacity, flights are fuller and fewer discounted seats are available.
Babes
Well, besides the LE risk, I'd say another compelling reason to not hobby in the States and save your dough for the ex-US SPs are the babes themselves, both in the looks and service departments. I'd take Quebecoises, European and Argentinian babes over American chicks every time.
Well, besides the LE risk, I'd say another compelling reason to not hobby in the States and save your dough for the ex-US SPs are the babes themselves, both in the looks and service departments. I'd take Quebecoises, European and Argentinian babes over American chicks every time.
Have crossed in Vermont on Rt 89 onto 133 in Canada many times. Never had a delay. he Canadian customs have been great (professional and efficient) and have questioned but never caused a delay. After an adventure in Montreal, I like to return to Burlington before the flight, head to Church Street and have a great meal. (Forget smoking a Cuban - Burlington restaurants are all nonsmoking).
Too expensive anyway.
Hello Gamelessdork,
I live in southern New England and I have not always been able to wait for my trips to Montreal before I want a meeting. But it was scarry to see the U.S. escorts who have sometimes been fake; used as disguises for police stings. So I stuck to seeing a few ladies from traveling Montreal ladies I could be sure came from Montreal agenices. Later I took the risk of seeing some American escorts a few times when the little head was dominating the big one. In the end I stopped not because of fear of arrest, but because it was just too damn expensive compared to Montreal. Handled with caution and sense I don't think the threat of arrest is much worse than in Montreal. Money was the deciding factor not the fear.
Happy meetings,
Korbel (Yikes...c'mon baaaaaby! It's not a cigar. Stop trying to bite the end off...HUH).
Hello Gamelessdork,
I live in southern New England and I have not always been able to wait for my trips to Montreal before I want a meeting. But it was scarry to see the U.S. escorts who have sometimes been fake; used as disguises for police stings. So I stuck to seeing a few ladies from traveling Montreal ladies I could be sure came from Montreal agenices. Later I took the risk of seeing some American escorts a few times when the little head was dominating the big one. In the end I stopped not because of fear of arrest, but because it was just too damn expensive compared to Montreal. Handled with caution and sense I don't think the threat of arrest is much worse than in Montreal. Money was the deciding factor not the fear.
Happy meetings,
Korbel (Yikes...c'mon baaaaaby! It's not a cigar. Stop trying to bite the end off...HUH).
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Like Korbel I live in southern New England, well actually central New England, well to tell the truth the hub of New England, ah hell the hub of the universe! Ok, sorry about that ...
For years now I've only hobbyied in Canada and Europe, but recently the scene in Boston has changed for the better, and I've found a couple of indies and also a couple of agency girls who provide GFE+ services for $600 or less for two hours. So I'm cautiously increasing my local hobbying, but only after careful and painstaking research. And instead of experimenting as I might in Toronto or Montreal, I only return to girls who are reliable and provide my desired services. But I almost never hobby when I travel to other cities in the US. The risk of scams and stings is just too great.
For years now I've only hobbyied in Canada and Europe, but recently the scene in Boston has changed for the better, and I've found a couple of indies and also a couple of agency girls who provide GFE+ services for $600 or less for two hours. So I'm cautiously increasing my local hobbying, but only after careful and painstaking research. And instead of experimenting as I might in Toronto or Montreal, I only return to girls who are reliable and provide my desired services. But I almost never hobby when I travel to other cities in the US. The risk of scams and stings is just too great.
I am also from Southern New England and agree with what Korbel has said above. I would add to what Korbel said that service is much better in Montreal, on the GFE scale, than it is in the USA. Unless you are dealing with a well established upscale agency in the USA - which as Korbel noted can be a very expensive proposition - your chances for having a good time are far less than what they are in Montreal.
local scene
Although the prices are much higher than in the Mecca if you do the research that MadMax refers to, you can find the quality. There are the Montreal ladies (FKS, CN/IN, FC) that tour, a few Florida agencies that I trust and some local agencies that bring in ladies from other parts of the US. It is very rare that I see a "local" lady, unless she's well reviewed.
As long as you stay away from CL, do your homework, and rely on your instincts to avoid LE, hobbying can be enjoyable here in the States. That being said, driving the 318 miles to Montreal can't be beat.
Regards,
Voyager
(in planning mode)
madmax said:
Although the prices are much higher than in the Mecca if you do the research that MadMax refers to, you can find the quality. There are the Montreal ladies (FKS, CN/IN, FC) that tour, a few Florida agencies that I trust and some local agencies that bring in ladies from other parts of the US. It is very rare that I see a "local" lady, unless she's well reviewed.
As long as you stay away from CL, do your homework, and rely on your instincts to avoid LE, hobbying can be enjoyable here in the States. That being said, driving the 318 miles to Montreal can't be beat.
Regards,
Voyager
(in planning mode)
Mostly
Hello EagerBeaver,
Yes, the service is far better in Montreal than in the U.S on the GFE scale in any definiton. Though I did find one beautiful blonde Polish lady who would speak greek like it was going out of style. Yet, there is one noticeable perk of seeing visitors in Boston. If you have ever gone to the website Eros Boston you can see all the ladies visiting the city, and they are the cream of the crop. I mean many of them are just drop dead spectacular looking, and almost everyone shows their faces. That compensation is not too bad when they fail to be GFE. But overall...vive les femmes de Montreal.
Good hunting,
Korbel (So many beautiful women and so few me).
EagerBeaver said:
Hello EagerBeaver,
Yes, the service is far better in Montreal than in the U.S on the GFE scale in any definiton. Though I did find one beautiful blonde Polish lady who would speak greek like it was going out of style. Yet, there is one noticeable perk of seeing visitors in Boston. If you have ever gone to the website Eros Boston you can see all the ladies visiting the city, and they are the cream of the crop. I mean many of them are just drop dead spectacular looking, and almost everyone shows their faces. That compensation is not too bad when they fail to be GFE. But overall...vive les femmes de Montreal.
Good hunting,
Korbel (So many beautiful women and so few me).
bond_james_bond said:Usually, legalization decreases prices, but the weird thing about the US is that legalization actually INCREASED prices. Go figure.
Prostitution is legal in only 11 of the 17 counties of Nevada and only 10 of those have any brothels in them at all. Sure its legal, but its the only place in the USA where it is legal so they have a virtual Monopoly. Prices are sky high! And although the girls may look okay, the Service is minimal because of the lock they've got on the market. I mean, dont expect anything. Youre mileage wont vary, your'e going to get basic suckey/fuckey/get out.
Get this. Although I'm only about 13 miles from the nearest brothel, If I get a good deal on air and hotel for 5 days or less, It is cheaper for me to fly to Montreal and have an SP come to my room than it is to have the same visit at the brothel down the road! Of course since I go to Montreal for other things, it makes an SP in Montreal even more of a good value.
If you visit Nevada, the way to get the best deal you can is go during the offseason, (not spring/summer) and during weekday mornings or afternoons (not Saturday night). But still youre paying alot more than you would if you stick with Canada.
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Tax man
Well, that's because you're also paying the government when you visit those legal brothels in Nevada. The IRS and the local tax authorities get dibs in the pussy business in NV too!
bond_james_bond said:Usually, legalization decreases prices, but the weird thing about the US is that legalization actually INCREASED prices. Go figure.
Well, that's because you're also paying the government when you visit those legal brothels in Nevada. The IRS and the local tax authorities get dibs in the pussy business in NV too!
picasso said:
That reminds me of some interesting recent US History:
There used to be a Nevada brothel called the Mustang Ranch. The place was mobbed up. The owner, IIRC, went to South America to hide from the Mafia. The brothel was about to declare bankruptcy and close.
The Feds, wanting to obtain more info on the Mafia, decided to keep the brothel operational. At the time, the President was George Bush Sr. About this time, Arsenio Hall's show was in its heyday, and Arsenio had a running joke where he would refer to George H.W. Bush as a "pimp."
picasso said:
Actually thats not totally correct. The business itself may be taxed Federally, but not by the state nor the counties. The industry actually supported a measure in the state assembly last session which would have slapped an entertainment tax on the brothels because that would have given the business some credibility and make it that much harder to some day abolish the brothels. The measure failed. There is no state income tax in Nevada. As far as federal income tax goes,the girls who work at the ranches (Nevada for brothels) are not employees, they are independent contractors exactly for the reason the house then does not have to screw with witholding,social security,medicare, etc.etc. It would be hard to determine how much if any the girls report on their federal income tax. So any of your dollars for the SP that goes to taxes is minimal. Prices are high because of the lack of competition.
bond_james_bond said:
It was funny, I remember the local paper had the headline "Uncle Sam's Ranch". The bankruptcy trustee was charged to keep it going as a profitable business, but because of what it was, it did'nt last too long. They did hold an auction and sold all the logo merchandise and fixtures and whatever else. I remember there was a plan to turn it into an actual "MUSTANG" ranch. To be run by the Bureau of Land Management, it was going to be a Horse ranch where families could come out and see the wild horses that are rounded up every year in Nevada and put up for adoption. But they havent carried through with it.
In the meantime about 100 yards away the Old Bridge Ranch is still in operation and a newer place called the wild horse ranch opened up a couple years ago at the next freeway exit.
Hello all,
Prostitutes want no part of Martha Coakley’s crackdown on johns
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/re...kleys_crackdown_on_johns/srvc=home&position=5
Well, it looks like outrage against child prostitution is being leveraged for a sweeping cleanup/attack on any adults participating on either side of the sexual services industry.
Is this crackdown on the adult sex industry an understandable and justified extension...or an opportunistic exploitation of a tragedy to impose an old agenda???
The state’s top law-enforcement officer is pressing for huge fines and even jail time for johns under a sweeping new human-trafficking law — but some online hookers tell the Herald they aren’t victims and don’t need the government doing them any favors.
The law, which hits the books Sunday, is largely aimed at protecting child prostitutes but also hits adult hookers’ clients with fines of up to $5,000 and up to 21⁄2 years behind bars, as part of a broad crackdown aimed at snuffing out prostitution by turning up the heat on both pimps and end-users of the illicit trade. Women of the night, conversely, are treated as victims of human trafficking, still facing the same misdemeanor charges but with new rights to sue those who exploited them.
“The penalties we’ve had have been far too low,” Attorney General Martha Coakley, a chief proponent of the law, told the Herald yesterday. “All we’ve done by the increase is make them appropriate for the kinds of offenses we’re talking about.”
“You’ll see more arrests, and more convictions and fines, if not jail time,” she said. “The message is: This activity is illegal.”
But one high-priced online hooker said she’s no victim — and she doesn’t know any women who are.
“If you are an escort, you go into it of your own free will,” she said. “Absolutely no one is forced into doing this. You don’t have to be affiliated with any agency. I’m not forced to do anything I don’t want.”
What’s more, the new law’s focus on johns, she said, will hurt her lucrative-though-lawless trade.
“If that’s the law that’s been written, then yes, it’s going to impact business,” she said when read the new penalties.
Another call girl who’s happily hooking online said she doesn’t feel like a victim either. Her johns even provide references from other prostitutes.
“I don’t think it’s going to affect someone like myself because I have so many regulars,” she said of the new law. “Most of these guys don’t go to providers they don’t know.”
The law, signed in November, calls for at least five years in prison and a fine of up to $25,000 for the new state crime of human trafficking for sexual servitude. Anyone convicted of trafficking children for sex or forced labor faces life in prison, and anyone who agrees to pay for sex with someone under 18 faces up to 10 years behind bars. Coakley has said the law is aimed primarily at those who exploit children or engage in forced prostitution, but will also target consensual pay-for-sex between adults.
Coakley said the law brings equity to enforcement that for decades targeted streetwalkers almost exclusively, often letting their clients and pimps walk away scot-free.
“This is about leveling the playing field and making it fair,” Coakley said.
Sen. Mark C. Montigny (D-New Bedford), the law’s chief sponsor, said it views prostitutes “as a potential victim of a much more serious crime than prostitution. Human trafficking, human slavery. People are drugged, they’re raped, they’re enslaved. Once you take away their spirit, they’re not going to run away, even if they can.” Prostitutes younger than 18 will, on first offense, be protected under a safe-harbor clause allowing them to avoid penalties.
Will Korman, who specializes in defending those accused of sex crimes, said he salutes the law’s overall intention but doubts its power as a deterrent.
“It’s naive to assume that simply because penalties are increased for a crime, that the numbers of people who commit that crime will go down,” he said. “An individual who’s likely to solicit a prostitute already knows or should already know they’re inherently running a risk.”
Anyone else think this crackdown linkage between child sex slavery and the adult prostitution is little more than an attempt to vilify the entire sex industry regardless of any situation?
ish,
Merlot
Prostitutes want no part of Martha Coakley’s crackdown on johns
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/re...kleys_crackdown_on_johns/srvc=home&position=5
Well, it looks like outrage against child prostitution is being leveraged for a sweeping cleanup/attack on any adults participating on either side of the sexual services industry.
Is this crackdown on the adult sex industry an understandable and justified extension...or an opportunistic exploitation of a tragedy to impose an old agenda???
The state’s top law-enforcement officer is pressing for huge fines and even jail time for johns under a sweeping new human-trafficking law — but some online hookers tell the Herald they aren’t victims and don’t need the government doing them any favors.
The law, which hits the books Sunday, is largely aimed at protecting child prostitutes but also hits adult hookers’ clients with fines of up to $5,000 and up to 21⁄2 years behind bars, as part of a broad crackdown aimed at snuffing out prostitution by turning up the heat on both pimps and end-users of the illicit trade. Women of the night, conversely, are treated as victims of human trafficking, still facing the same misdemeanor charges but with new rights to sue those who exploited them.
“The penalties we’ve had have been far too low,” Attorney General Martha Coakley, a chief proponent of the law, told the Herald yesterday. “All we’ve done by the increase is make them appropriate for the kinds of offenses we’re talking about.”
“You’ll see more arrests, and more convictions and fines, if not jail time,” she said. “The message is: This activity is illegal.”
But one high-priced online hooker said she’s no victim — and she doesn’t know any women who are.
“If you are an escort, you go into it of your own free will,” she said. “Absolutely no one is forced into doing this. You don’t have to be affiliated with any agency. I’m not forced to do anything I don’t want.”
What’s more, the new law’s focus on johns, she said, will hurt her lucrative-though-lawless trade.
“If that’s the law that’s been written, then yes, it’s going to impact business,” she said when read the new penalties.
Another call girl who’s happily hooking online said she doesn’t feel like a victim either. Her johns even provide references from other prostitutes.
“I don’t think it’s going to affect someone like myself because I have so many regulars,” she said of the new law. “Most of these guys don’t go to providers they don’t know.”
The law, signed in November, calls for at least five years in prison and a fine of up to $25,000 for the new state crime of human trafficking for sexual servitude. Anyone convicted of trafficking children for sex or forced labor faces life in prison, and anyone who agrees to pay for sex with someone under 18 faces up to 10 years behind bars. Coakley has said the law is aimed primarily at those who exploit children or engage in forced prostitution, but will also target consensual pay-for-sex between adults.
Coakley said the law brings equity to enforcement that for decades targeted streetwalkers almost exclusively, often letting their clients and pimps walk away scot-free.
“This is about leveling the playing field and making it fair,” Coakley said.
Sen. Mark C. Montigny (D-New Bedford), the law’s chief sponsor, said it views prostitutes “as a potential victim of a much more serious crime than prostitution. Human trafficking, human slavery. People are drugged, they’re raped, they’re enslaved. Once you take away their spirit, they’re not going to run away, even if they can.” Prostitutes younger than 18 will, on first offense, be protected under a safe-harbor clause allowing them to avoid penalties.
Will Korman, who specializes in defending those accused of sex crimes, said he salutes the law’s overall intention but doubts its power as a deterrent.
“It’s naive to assume that simply because penalties are increased for a crime, that the numbers of people who commit that crime will go down,” he said. “An individual who’s likely to solicit a prostitute already knows or should already know they’re inherently running a risk.”
Anyone else think this crackdown linkage between child sex slavery and the adult prostitution is little more than an attempt to vilify the entire sex industry regardless of any situation?
ish,
Merlot
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