It was an empty idea of nation I think, just like their vision of asymmetrical federalism. It does not go further than a vague promise not to get over provincial jurisdiction.
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It was an empty idea of nation I think, just like their vision of asymmetrical federalism. It does not go further than a vague promise not to get over provincial jurisdiction.
David Lewis was 10 times the man that Jack Layton is. Layton is a 40 watt light bulb who thinks he is a chandelier. My prediction is that this will be exactly the "flash in the pan" in Quebec that the ADQ was.
Here's the problem as i see it. The Quebec NDP vote is the classic protest vote. They didn't like the Libs, Cons or their leaders, and they were fed up with the bloc's negativity. The good news is that Duceppe went from hero to zero in a heartbeat. It's safe to say that many of these protest voters will be looking to the NDP to advance Quebec friendly positions (read Nationalist) over the next 4years.
The NDP cannot implement any change as the opposition, but they will be listened to, and their policies will be examined. Gugu, I read the Sherbrooke declaration, and it will ruffle some feathers in the ROC when it becomes more widely studied. If we end up with an ugly split in Ottawa between the NDP and the Tory govt. over Quebec, the seps in The PQ will use it as another humiliation argument and wind up the separation/referendum machine.
I'm not anti NDP at all. I just think one of their big challenges will be to avoid the trap i have outlined.
sinbad
The NDP cannot implement any change as the opposition, but they will be listened to, and their policies will be examined. Gugu, I read the Sherbrooke declaration, and it will ruffle some feathers in the ROC when it becomes more widely studied. If we end up with an ugly split in Ottawa between the NDP and the Tory govt. over Quebec, the seps in The PQ will use it as another humiliation argument and wind up the separation/referendum machine.
I'm not anti NDP at all. I just think one of their big challenges will be to avoid the trap i have outlined.
sinbad
Ha ha ! You didn't see it coming did ya ?
Depressed Sinbad ?
You think I expect anything from the NDP ?
To defend Quebec's interests in Ottawa ?
You got to be kidding !
You think it's only a matter of French vs. English or federalism vs separatism ?
What is clear.. from you guys is the lack of interest and respect towards First Nations !
And you have Techman whining all about the immigrants being forced into french schools...
Poor Babies ! you've come to Canada and now you are forced to learn french ! that is so unfair !
Here...here ! Don't cry ! Here's my thumb to suck on it !
BTW I like your insult Sinbad ! An illiterate fool
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And, we're also tired of your constant whining about the lack of interest & respect towards First Nations.
It's always the white man's fault, right? You poor baby! :lol:
...Speaking of feathers... do you know what it means to raise an eagle one ?
Do you have any idea why the separation/referendum machine like you call it came back to life in the 90's ?
Are you as much ill informed as Techman and Doc to believe it's only a game of who wins a ref or not ? and that there is only 2 teams playin ?
I'll give you a hint !
Meech Lake was intended to persuade the government of the Province of Quebec to endorse the 1982 Canadian Constitution.
And here is second one ! It was negotiated in 1987 without the input of Canada's Aboriginal peoples.
It was a botched attempt to get Quebec in while leaving First Nations out !
And all along... english Canadians in other provinces arguing over Quebec's demands never to care for First Nations !
Now since you guys know more than me... tell me what is the signification to raise an eagle feather !
Give me a moment in time not long ago when this signification came into life about this land you call Canada !
Who did it, when, why and what are his origins ?
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The lack of respect like allowing them to run riot and doing nothing about it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caledonia_land_dispute
The lack of respect by doing everything to shut down anyone who dares speak out against them
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...free-to-drop-by-canadian-tire/article2010502/
The lack of respect by having special access to well paying jobs
Having special access to money for university
Being able to sidestep the usual requirements for admission to law and medical schools.
The lack of respect by making them expect from the Ontario HST, Income tax and GST on reserve income/purchases while still paying for everything
The lack of respect shown by having a double standard where Europe goes ballistic with the anti immigrant policies of the Freedom Party in Austria, yet Indians can shove out people who were married into their racially pure bantustans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantustan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kahnawake#Race-based_evictions
Spending 200 million dollars to move 680 people 15km away http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/aboriginals/natuashish.html [actually by moving them from one place to another place with no jobs where everyone knows the same problems will continue as opposed to expecting them to stand on their own two feet is a lack of respect, self respect on their part.
I could sure use some of that lack of respect.
Never mind that most people in this country are either descended from someone who moved from one part of the British Empire/Kingdom of France to another facing a long expensive and dangerous sea voyage, or who moved to a country with a different language and culture, or faced the discrimination of for example the Chinese and Japanese out west, yet they did so to try to improve their lives yet we have people living in isolated reserves with no jobs and nothing to do but drink or sniff gas, yet even though they have citizenship and have English or French they refuse to do anything to help themselves. [There are some exceptions of course but they just prove the rule.
Glad I could make you feel tired
Cuze... If we dig deep enough we always find this skin color sh*t everytime !
It's like wasisname rant ! wow First nations only drinking and sniffing gas ?
What a beauty !
JH Fan,
Apologies for the insult. It's not really my style. With everyone using anonymous "handles" it's easy to forget there's a real person at the other end. Sorry, I'll try to be more careful in future. sinbad
Apologies for the insult. It's not really my style. With everyone using anonymous "handles" it's easy to forget there's a real person at the other end. Sorry, I'll try to be more careful in future. sinbad
Ha ha ! You didn't see it coming did ya ?
Depressed Sinbad ?
You think I expect anything from the NDP ?
To defend Quebec's interests in Ottawa ?
You got to be kidding !
You think it's only a matter of French vs. English or federalism vs separatism ?
What is clear.. from you guys is the lack of interest and respect towards First Nations !
And you have Techman whining all about the immigrants being forced into french schools...
Poor Babies ! you've come to Canada and now you are forced to learn french ! that is so unfair !
Here...here ! Don't cry ! Here's my thumb to suck on it !
BTW I like your insult Sinbad ! An illiterate fool
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Isn’t that the case for Aboriginal people? Hasn’t that been stated in the Royal Proclamation of 1763? Hasn’t it been confirmed by the Calder decision in 1973, accepted in the 1981 Constitutional Act and confirmed in a series of Supreme Court decisions, most notably Sparrow (1990)? I understand your frustration about the Meech Lake Accord but it is not a reason to rewrite history and say the Aboriginals are a conquered people. Land title is unresolved in large parts of Canada, including all of Québec territory, most of BC, Yukon and Nunvut. Aboriginal rights are substantial. The governments of Canada and private interests have the obligation, imposed by the Supreme Court, to reach agreements with Aboriginal people when occupying territories and extracting resources on territories where Aboriginal people detain rights. That is not exactly my definition of a conquered people.
J’imagine que tu parles français, Royal. Je ne peux pas trop t’en vouloir de dire que les autochtones sont un peuple conquis. C’est ce que les livres d’histoire nous apprenaient. Je me permets de te suggérer un texte très bien fait et très accessible sur ce sujet http://www.autochtones.gouv.qc.ca/p.../publications/mythes-realites-autochtones.pdf.
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