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FTX Crypto Debacle: 1 to 2 Billon Dollars in Crypto Customer Funds Missing

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Something similar happened in Canada after the previous crypto boom in 2017/18.
 

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I have a friend who works at Morgan Stanley and he told me he had steered his clients away from FTX and compared them to Theranos, nothing but a massive Ponzi type scheme. It's amazing that shit like this continues to happen. FTX even had Tom Brady and Steph Curry as pitchmen. Curry's commercials were memorable as he appeared as a Mime.
 

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Simply put the digital asset space needs to be regulated. Without that not a good idea to put your money in there. An unregulated asset trading in an unregulated exchange and no all of this is NOT FDIC insured.
 

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An FDIC-type insurance probably won't work for something as volatile as crypto. Cryptocurrency valuation is closer to a stock than a simple bank deposit. There is no insurance for stock investments either. I feel bad for regular people that get roped into fancy new ways to be essentially fleeced. I've never understood the appeal of crypto.
 

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An FDIC-type insurance probably won't work for something as volatile as crypto. Cryptocurrency valuation is closer to a stock than a simple bank deposit. There is no insurance for stock investments either. I feel bad for regular people that get roped into fancy new ways to be essentially fleeced. I've never understood the appeal of crypto.
The appeal of all this is because crypto kept going up and up beating the returns of many other assets and typical FOMO takes hold so people ignore the underlying bs and shaky ground underneath.

Well a good number of people who bought into this thought that this is FDIC/SIPC insured. Just goes to show folks didn't do their proper homework and due diligence. Simply put if you are an idiot then you deserve to lose your money.

This FTX debacle just adds to the lists of the crypto failures and scams. FTX is nothing compared to if Tether and so-called stable coins get into some trouble. Just gotta watch on this one.
 
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FTX even had Tom Brady and Steph Curry as pitchmen.
If you can't trust Brady and Curry, then who can you trust? I don't know, maybe Fetterman?
 

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Well a good number of people who bought into this thought that this is FDIC/SIPC insured.
If anyone actually believed that, then they deserved to lose their money.
 

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SBF gave $40M to the Democrats in 2022. Maybe that's why the feds have been reluctant to regulate the crypto market. :rolleyes:


Gary Gensler blew it again. After his agency failed to warn investors about Terra and Celsius—whose collapses this spring sparked a trillion-dollar investor wipeout—the Securities and Exchange Commission chair allowed an even bigger debacle to unfold right under his nose. I’m talking, of course, about the revelation this week that the $30 billion FTX empire was a house of cards and that its golden boy founder, Sam Bankman-Fried, is the crypto equivalent of Theranos’s Elizabeth Holmes.

To be fair, Gensler was not the only one suckered by SBF. Nearly everyone else—myself included—fell for the narrative that SBF, with his cute afro and aw-shucks demeanor, was exactly the savior crypto needed to shake off its dodgy reputation and emerge as part of the mainstream financial system. The problem is that cop-on-the-beat Gensler not only failed to spot the crime—he appeared set to go along with a legislative strategy that would have given SBF a regulatory moat and made him king of the U.S. crypto market.

According to Washington insiders I spoke with, the reason behind SBF’s decision this summer to obtain control over BlockFi was to benefit from the troubled crypto lender’s recent settlement with the SEC—basically extending the amnesty BlockFi had received to FTX. Meanwhile, FTX’s recent tie-up with securities exchange IEX (of Flash Boys fame) would also help SBF’s empire come under the U.S. regulatory umbrella. All of this would clear FTX to have the U.S. market to itself as the company lobbied for legislation that could have torpedoed competitors like Binance as well as the emerging DeFi sector.

This appears to be what prominent House member Tom Emmer (R-Minn.) was referring to when he tweeted on Thursday that “@GaryGensler runs to the media while reports to my office allege he was helping SBF and FTX work on legal loopholes to obtain a regulatory monopoly.”

Gensler, a former campaign finance chair for Hillary Clinton, is of course not the only prominent Democrat who may have been willing to flex his influence on behalf of FTX. SBF, you may recall, was one of the biggest donors to President Joe Biden, while his parents—both Stanford law professors—have ties to the party. His mother, Barbara Fried, leads a group called Mind the Gap that helps raise Silicon Valley cash for Democrats, while his father, Joseph Bankman, drafted tax legislation for the powerful Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass). It’s not a stretch to imagine SBF sought to exploit these political ties to his benefit.

All of this does not mean SBF, Gensler, and other higher-ups in the Democratic party sat around plotting an explicit scheme to hand the crypto industry to FTX. That reeks too much of a wild conspiracy theory. Nonetheless, at a time when Gensler is already shrieking for more money and power to address the latest crypto crisis, this would be a good time for skeptics to ask why he failed to stop FTX in the first place—and if anyone else in high places had a role in enabling this debacle.


Even before polls closed, one of the year's biggest Democratic donors had a very bad Tuesday.

Sam Bankman-Fried's cryptocurrency exchange FTX -- valued at $32 billion in January -- suffered a sudden liquidity crunch and was taken over by its rival Binance.

Mr. Bankman-Fried, 30, might not fare much better today in politics.

This year he invested about $40 million mostly on Democratic candidates and causes. That makes him the election cycle's sixth-largest donor, according to Open Secrets, a nonpartisan platform tracking money in politics.
 

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I never understood crypto and I’m glad that I never invested in it!!

I’m always sceptical of these investments that go up crazy amounts in a short period. It’s usually too good to be true!
 

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Gary Gensler is very pro-Crypto. His lecture on it when he was at MIT is very impressive and can found on YouTube. This whole crypto, blockchain and digital asset space have promise but this needs to be regulated. Crypto is no different when stocks first came into the scene because stocks were not regulated as well. Regulation is and always will be playing catch up and something is done when this costs enough damage. In this case as Crypto is a global Type 1 Society phenomenon the world has to come together and regulate this.

 
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He also donated to republicans
Yeah, it was pretty much equal :rolleyes: --tens of millions of $ to the Dems and a few hundred thousand to the Republicans.


According to Open Secrets, a platform following the money in politics, SBF is the sixth largest political contributor. The platform reports that he has made a total contribution of $39.8 million for the 2021-2022 cycle.

Of that total, 92% has gone to the Democrats, with the remainder going to Republican candidates and campaigns.

 

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SBF needs to recoup those political donations so he can pay for his attorneys fees in order to deal with the various investigations he is about to be subjected to. He also needs to have counsel tell him to stop making posts about this on Twitter which was really really dumb. Social media silence is necessary right now.
 

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SBF needs to recoup those political donations so he can pay for his attorneys fees in order to deal with the various investigations he is about to be subjected to. He also needs to have counsel tell him to stop making posts about this on Twitter which was really really dumb. Social media silence is necessary right now.
It is going to be interesting to see how all this unfold and the kind of contagion that is happening if that is going to spread to other asset classes. If people go on a liquidating spree across other kinds of assets that is going to be an issue for some and an opportunity for those who sat on the sidelines looking for bargains.
 
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Before this story became so big, I thought Gen Z Americans and their favorite political party, the Democrats, understood the meaning of the phrase "Ponzi Scheme." I guess not, but now they understand. :D



Amid all the jubilation and gloating by Joe Biden, Chuck Schumer and pals over the Democrats’ better-than-expected showing in the midterms comes a disturbing story that may explain something about how they won such a curious election.

Biden’s second-biggest donor, cryptocurrency billionaire wunderkind Sam Bankman-Fried, a k a SBF, saw his business file for bankruptcy days after the election, but not before pumping $40 million into the Democratic Party to spend on “get-out-the-vote” and other shadowy ballot-harvesting mechanics for the midterms.

The shambolic 30-year-old whiz kid, once said to have been worth $16 billion, had spent $10 million helping get Biden elected in 2020.

SBF’s mother, Stanford law professor Barbara Fried, also is co-founder of left-wing political action committee Mind The Gap, which has raised a reported $140 million to help Democrats win elections through the same “get-out-the-vote” grift.

A more unlikely billionaire you could not find — and of course his money was built on thin air. A math genius with poor social skills, SBF reportedly lived in a “polycule” — a polyamorous relationship with multiple people — in a luxury penthouse with about 10 co-workers in the tax haven of the Bahamas, where his collapsed crypto exchange FTX was headquartered.

Otherwise, he was sleeping on beanbags in his office, eating vegan fries and, according to his own Twitter feed, popping amphetamines and sleeping pills to regulate his chaotic sleeping habits.

Now Reuters is reporting that between $1 billion and $2 billion of customer funds have vanished from FTX, conveniently after the Democrats safely spent his money.

At last report, SBF and his mysterious co-founder, Gary Wang, were being held “under supervision” by Bahamian authorities after reportedly planning to flee to Dubai, according to fintech publication Cointelegraph.

It is a stunning fall to earth. The financial media and big investors have feted the young billionaire as a saint who shunned earthly pleasures like Lamborghinis and Rolexes, but lived only to give away all his money and make the world a better place.

He was the most famous millennial adherent of a cult known as “Effective Altruism,” which originated at Oxford University, found fertile ground in Silicon Valley — and now has gone down in flames along with him.

EA is a disguised form of socialism, because all the “good” that is done just happens to match up perfectly with the left’s obsessions, whether climate change, social justice, equity, banning meat or his favorite, “pandemic preparedness.”

In a Nas Daily online video, an awkward Bankman-Fried was featured this year as a role model of altruism for young people: “Sam is not a traditional billionaire because he believes in the concept of ‘earn to give’ … Next decade he will probably give away more than $10 million … He wants to get rich in order to impact the world and change it.”

SBF certainly “impacted” the midterms, funneling his millions into the Democratic National Committee and Democrat-friendly PACs such as Protect Our Future and Guarding Against Pandemics.

He donated to committees aligned with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer to help Democrats win races.

He lavished his largesse on “pro-crypto Democrats” like New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, who was sponsoring a bill to lock the Securities and Exchange Commission out of regulating the crypto market.

He also visited the White House, meeting with top Biden adviser Steve Ricchetti on April 22 and May 12, according to the Washington Free Beacon.

No wonder the Biden administration has been weak on regulating the crypto market. It was the goose that laid the golden egg.

Meanwhile, the media massaged his profile.

Both Forbes and Fortune had him on the cover. “The next Warren Buffett?” asked Fortune.
Never mind that the actual Warren Buffett consistently ripped SBF’s product, cryptocurrency, as worthless.

“It draws in a lot of charlatans,” said Buffett, “where people who are of less-than-stellar character see an opportunity to clip people who are trying to get rich because their neighbor is getting rich buying this stuff that neither one of them understand. It will come to a bad end.”

But what would he know.

SBF appeared with Bill Clinton and Tony Blair at international crypto summits, and with Tom Brady in glitzy TV ads and social media videos.


Larry David did a big Super Bowl ad for FTX, all designed to trick unsuspecting Americans into losing their shirts on what was quite simply a Ponzi scheme.

“I’m all in. Are you?” said the celebrities.

Another “altruistic” venture by SBF was having FTX back a cryptocurrency donation website launched by the Ukrainian government. There wasn’t a woke cause he didn’t hit.

The sinister neo-socialists at the World Economic Forum (WEF) loved SBF so much, they made FTX a “corporate partner” — but that page on the WEF website has vanished in the last 48 hours, leaving an error message.

Venture capital firm Sequoia was a big backer, investing over $200 million in SBF, a lot of which he then invested back in Sequoia, whose chairman and managing partner Michael Moritz is a big donor to the Dems as well as to anti-Trump hate group the Lincoln Project, and reportedly is a neighbor of Nancy Pelosi in San Francisco.

Six weeks ago, Sequoia hired a freelance writer, Adam Fisher, to write a puff piece on SBF, depicting him as a “future trillionaire … I don’t know how I know, I just do. SBF is a winner … I couldn’t shake the feeling that this guy is actually as selfless as he claims to be.”

The article, which was replaced on Sequoia’s website over the weekend with a somber note to investors, describes how SBF wowed Seqouia’s partners into giving him $1 billion during a Zoom meeting throughout which he played multiplayer online video game League of Legends.

“I LOVE THIS FOUNDER,” typed one partner.

“I am a 10 out of 10,” pinged another.

“YES!!!” exclaimed a third.

Fisher visited Bankman-Fried in the Bahamas, describing a man who does not make eye contact, plays video games all day and is constantly plugged into his computer with a headset. All his meetings are by Zoom — with people in the same room.

The author concludes that the FTX founder is “neurodiverse,” but not “spectrum-y or Asperger-y.” SBF says he has “some ADD,” and never has read a book, as information should be in “a six-paragraph blog post.”

The article describes Bankman-Fried’s recruitment into the EA cult when he was a young man at MIT as being “nerd-sniped,” which is “the practice of attracting brainpower by presenting problems as puzzles.”

In other words, SBF’s analytical IQ and social ineptitude made him a prime recruit for the cause of hijacking capitalism to divert money to left-wing causes.

Like Greta Thunberg, the teenage eco-evangelist, SBF was manipulated into serving a useful purpose.


In his case, it was money made from nothing that arrived in Democratic coffers at exactly the right time.

The very least the Democratic Party should do is refund the $40 million to the people who were ripped off by their crypto benefactor.
 

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This crypto and all that is going on is not a Right or Left/Democrat or Republican thing. They are all at fault because many promotors/hucksters/scammers come from both the Right and the Left. These folks kept yapping about the fall of US dollar and other currencies. Their message is crypto will keep you safe and liberate you while keeping you above inflation and other upsells. Because how digital assets skyrocketed in price everyone is going to ignore the fundamentals and want to get involved. This FTX is not the end more fiasco is going to show up.
 
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This crypto and all that is going on is not a Right or Left/Democrat or Republican thing. They are all at fault because many promotors/hucksters/scammers come from both the Right and the Left. These folks kept yapping about the fall of US dollar and other currencies. Their message is crypto will keep you safe and liberate you while keeping you above inflation and other upsells. Because how digital assets skyrocketed in price everyone is going to ignore the fundamentals and want to get involved. This FTX is not the end more fiasco is going to show up.
It's not political at all. If anything Republicans and Democrats alike are culpable for not lobbying to regulate this area and instead allowing scammers and hoaxsters to operate with impunity. As a friend of mine in the financial services industry texted me:

"Most of the crypto area is unregulated. He had a crooked auditor and no board. Total scam and millions of ppl lost money. This happens every time a new technology or “shiny object” comes along. One thing I will assure you is now there will be regulators."

From what he told me it was basically a Ponzi scheme. It should be noted that SBF did manage to snooker some major venture capitalists who should know better. In that regard he has a lot in common with Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos. If you guys have not seen "Dropout" on Hulu, I recommend. It explains in detail how Holmes pulled off a very similar scam. Her scam involved faking the technology on blood drop tests, and how she pulled it off is an interesting watch. It is a dramatization, but mostly historically accurate. Amanda Seyfried (who is incredible as Holmes) was awarded an Emmy for her performance in Dropout, which I would say was a career defining performance. Brilliant. What's most impressive about her performance is how she seems absolutely convinced that her own lies are true.
 
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