GF used to be an SP

[Doggyluver]

Sorry to burst some of you guys' bubbles, but working as an SP does define who you are. It's not just "another job". A woman who does that for a living has personality issues. I'm not saying you shouldn't date her. Just like I wouldn't say that you shouldn't date a single mother (I probably wouldn't). I'm saying you should accept the fact that she does have a personality issue but date her knowing that. Don't lie to yourself.

And the sorority girl who slept with 20 guys in college is completely different from an SP. She also had offers from 300 other guys to have sex that she rejected because she didn't like them. That's a big difference psychologically from someone who has sex with everyone who offers you money even if you find them disgusting.

As I read your response my first thought was , wow this is a narrow minded moron who puts everyone into boxes. I thought about it for a few minutes and then thought, you must be young and unable to have a real relationship to make you hate women so much. I have met more women in this "business" than you will ever meet in your life. Some become SP's out of necessity. They have limited education due to a VERY bad upbringing and see this as a way out. Many turn to drugs to mask the way they feel about themselves and then must work to pay for the drugs, not a personality issue Eric23 ( Dr. Freud ) rather a means to an end.
Others, intelligent, educated and able to or have other jobs ( some excellent high paying jobs ) but they enjoy this life. They meet successful individuals who like themselves are educated and able to add to the life of the SP and not just in a monetary way. I have had long deep conversations with an SP, off the clock ( no sex ) where we both benefitted from the conversation intellectually.
Be careful who you classify in ways that do not fit. The women in this business do not fall into a .1% category as you put it but I would challenge you to back up your number with an actual statistic.
I sense that you have had a real problem finding a woman to date you and have a relationship with you outside of this hobby but I wish you well in re-educating yourself with regard to an SP and why she works and hey there are plenty of single mothers out there who would make fine partners, why would you ever make your list shorter.
Have a look at the women around you, in your family, your neighbours, your co-workers, your friends and acquaintances some of them are or have been SP's at some point in their lives, this I guarantee.

 

[Fradi]

^^^^^
Now you are jumping to conclusions and assuming he is a narrow minded moron and has trouble attracting women and as a result has a low opinion of SP.
Life is far more complicated than that.
Do I think SP are different than civilian women, yes I do.
They may have the same wishes and dreams as any other women and they have feelings no different than any other.
It does however take a special kind of woman to be able to separate her feelings face all the stigma or be able to hide what she is doing as definitely not all do this openly with full knowledge by their friends, family coworkers if they also have civilian jobs.
It also takes a special kind to be able to sleep with anybody regardless if they have no feelings for them or attraction simply for money and to be able to do it as a job.
As you have perfectly explained they have many different reasons for doing this from having no other avenue to supporting an addiction or simply because they enjoy the experience, the monetary rewards and the better lifestyle it can bring.
You might say that we as clients are no different, but that is not entirely true because we are definitely attracted to these women and I think given the opportunity most would be more than willing to form a closer relationship whether we admit that or not.
I don’t mean this to come across that I don’t value them or their profession quite the opposite I consider myself extremely lucky to have found one in particular who has been like an angel to me she is not only gorgeous but one of the kindest, most thoughtful and intelligent women that I have ever met.

 

[liloudallas]

It also takes a special kind to be able to sleep with anybody regardless if they have no feelings for them or attraction simply for money and to be able to do it as a job.

Yes it does, indeed. As I also think that it takes a special kind of man to be able to pay to have sex with tens or even hundreds of different woman. In my book, both got issues!!!

 

[Fradi]

Yes it does, indeed. As I also think that it takes a special kind of man to be able to pay to have sex with tens or even hundreds of different woman. In my book, both got issues!!!

I think you are way too judgemental and probably still have a lot of living and learning to do.
Everybody has issues lol. the one that I just mentioned seems to be yours.

 

[Flyingby]

My wife used to be a sugar baby for some guy. Just one guy. Not many at the same time.
she did not see herself as an sb. She was sleeping with a married guy who paid her appartment. Bought her jewelry and took her on trips and dinners.
Was she an sp? …little bit!
She is a terrific mother, woman and has a great carreer.
i think many ladies are SP at some point. But the difference with an sp who sleeps with guys directly for money is the psychological scars that they have. An so told me that on a civie date she had to stop herself from giving a bj on the first date

 

[Fradi]

Was she an sp? …little bit!

Minuteman X already answered that lol.
Is someone a little bit pregnant?

 

[Flyingby]

Minuteman X already answered that lol.
Is someone a little bit pregnant?

Not the same. Physical condition compared to personal lifestyle?
you lose a finger. Are you handicapped? Little bit handicap. Versus losing both legs.
i think minuteman x used a poor example that does not compare to what he is talking about

 

[Fradi]

Not the same. Physical condition compared to personal lifestyle?
you lose a finger. Are you handicapped? Little bit handicap. Versus losing both legs.
i think minuteman x used a poor example that does not compare to what he is talking about

Sorry I disagree someone who provides sex in return for rent, jewelry and trips knowingly and really has no emotional
attachment is a SB ( little a lot etc.. makes no difference) and my version of a SB really is an SP that just doesn’t like the name or thinks she is better than one.
Again, I have absolutely nothing against that we all have a past and it should not be held against anyone.

 

[Flyingby]

@Fradi i agree. Sb is a sex provider. A luxury good in exchange for sex. But there are various degrees of sex work. So gf used to be an sp has various degrees of answers.

 

[minutemenX]

Sorry I disagree someone who provides sex in return for rent, jewelry and trips knowingly and really has no emotional
attachment is a SB ( little a lot etc.. makes no difference) and my version of a SB really is an SP that just doesn’t like the name or thinks she is better than one.
Again, I have absolutely nothing against that we all have a past and it should not be held against anyone.

Not the same. Physical condition compared to personal lifestyle?
you lose a finger. Are you handicapped? Little bit handicap. Versus losing both legs.
i think minuteman x used a poor example that does not compare to what he is talking about

Just to be clear. With the pregnancy example I was not talking about woman side but here boyfriend. In my observation, in multiple life situations many women occasionally trade sex for some real or imaginary benefits. This does not make them professional service providers.

 

[Fradi]

i agree. Sb is a sex provider. A luxury good in exchange for sex. But there are various degrees of sex work. So gf used to be an sp has various degrees of answers.

There are always various degrees and many types of sex work some never even see a client I agree.
I was not the one that brought up the fact that she was an SB…. a little

 

[liloudallas]

I think you are way too judgemental and probably still have a lot of living and learning to do.
Everybody has issues lol. the one that I just mentioned seems to be yours.

Manifestement j'ai touché un point sensible, désolé si tu te sens visé.

 

[Fradi]

Manifestement j'ai touché un point sensible, désolé si tu te sens visé.

I have no idea what you are talking about. What sore spot or why I would feel targeted.
I have never dated or been emotionally involved with an SP or had one as a girlfriend.
I have not seen many escorts I see one repeatedly who I am very fond of and maybe 6 or 7 on and off but have no illusions or want to date any of them, I have lived a fabulous life, I have kids, grandkids they take up most of my time, I am perfectly comfortable with who I am the life I have lived and what I am doing now.

I agree that it takes a special kind of woman to be able to be an SP but not for the same reasons as you.
Some have issues some don’t like the rest of us, they are women that have the same dreams and wishes and feelings like all the others, yes it is not an easy profession to be in that is for sure.

 

[liloudallas]

I have no idea what you are talking about. What sore spot or why I would feel targeted.

Chill-out Fradi, your comment "It also takes a special kind to be able to sleep with anybody regardless if they have no feelings for them or attraction simply for money and to be able to do it as a job." simply sounded bad and irrespectful. Maybe it's because my first language is French and I got it wrong and didn't understood properly what you were saying. I'm in a relationships with a woman that is actually a part-time SP. So believe me when I say that I do not judge them and that I can understand what they are passing through. At least for this one. Peace man.

 

[Flyingby]

@Fradi @liloudallas i think fradi is right. It takes a some kind of shell to be sp. not necessarily just for the having sex part. But having sex with a stranger. Having sex with someone who you have zero physical attraction for. Acting out fetishes and fantasies. Scenarios that could make people cringe. You need to be quite mentally strong to get past it. Or do a lot of drugs to erase the mental anguish. We might all be gentleman. But we each push sp to our own needs

 

[Fradi]

Chill-out Fradi, your comment "It also takes a special kind to be able to sleep with anybody regardless if they have no feelings for them or attraction simply for money and to be able to do it as a job." simply sounded bad and irrespectful. Maybe it's because my first language is French and I got it wrong and didn't understood properly what you were saying. I'm in a relationships with a woman that is actually a part-time SP. So believe me when I say that I do not judge them and that I can understand what they are passing through. At least for this one. Peace man.

I think you totally misunderstood, if anybody respects these ladies I certainly do.
I will always be grateful to the lady I have been seeing for the past 3 years, she has been a total angle to me and I can say that I have never had a bad experience with any.
Anyway it is all good.

 

[Jordd]

@Fradi @liloudallas i think fradi is right. It takes a some kind of shell to be sp. not necessarily just for the having sex part. But having sex with a stranger. Having sex with someone who you have zero physical attraction for. Acting out fetishes and fantasies. Scenarios that could make people cringe. You need to be quite mentally strong to get past it. Or do a lot of drugs to erase the mental anguish. We might all be gentleman. But we each push sp to our own needs

I don’t think ‘special’ was used in a negative way. All women are strong and stronger than men in many ways. For example, when going through childbirth.
I believe almost all women are capable of being "SPs", because of mental toughness. It is a personal choice.

 

[TheQuestion]

I wonder why no hobbyist/SD ever tries to get a stripper/escort GF. The same way it seems sex workers seem to try to find someone outside of that world.

What I mean is instead of looking for monogamy, you could have an "agreement." For instance, I met a stripper(outside her work), and I made her my GF. Still, we made a deal that I would continue seeing other girls outside of the relationship, and as long as we could have threesomes with other women, she could continue working at the club, making money, or she if would have SD's I would not get involved. I haven't done the threesome part yet but I do plan on doing it in the future.

We would hang out on the weekends, like going for dinner etc. It was like a relationship, but I didn't have to pay her since I wasn't her customer.

 

[GreyPilgrim]

A lot of misreads going on, I think.

This was all good until you got to the part where you perceive that he is taking advantage of girls by paying. Here you are making the very same kind of judgement.

A lot of misreads going around.

I think all of us can agree that we share a common appreciation of the ladies who choose to join this business. We realize that sex work can take a toll on the providers, especially if they don’t engage with the industry on their own terms. As such, we have developed a deeper respect for the individuals behind the facades.

Well, most of us have. Probably not Eric23, though.

To simply consider that all the ladies involved in sex work have « personality issues » is quite demeaning. So many girls engage in sex work in one form or another, that such a generalization is as misinformed as it is insulting to every single one of them.

As for my judgemental comeback at Eric23, well… In all my years of hobbying, never for a second have I considered sex work as me taking advantage of anyone. Ever. But it’s not a long stretch to guess that a guy who basically considers all sex workers as « damaged goods » might feel otherwise. And if that’s the case, what does that make him? The guy who willingly takes advantage of poor little girls with daddy issues who don’t know any better?

I’m sorry, but if that’s how he sees things… as far as I’m concerned, he’s the one with the personality issues!

 

[No_Church_InThe_Wild]

Have a look at the women around you, in your family, your neighbours, your co-workers, your friends and acquaintances some of them are or have been SP's at some point in their lives, this I guarantee.

It was a very interesting post until I got to the “guaranteed” part ...