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I have seen El Duval to be honest Idid not have a good time at all .we had no chemistry and had booked her for two hours and very politley asked her leave after first hour.extremley beautiful tall attractive but not my cup of tee.yet she is consider one of the best indies..I am sure Hailey is wonderful sp but these days I am staying with my limits up to $200.

What this thread has caused me to do is to go & look up Hailey Mitchell's website. To be honest, i had no idea who she was until today. So if i see what i like & the research is very positive, who knows, i might decide to spoil myself the next time i'm in town. I usually like to spoil myself at least once a year (usually around b-day time) and who knows.....

As for Ms. Duval, a buddy of mine saw her at least 3 times. Maybe it was 4, but who's counting? To make a long story short, he liked her very much in terms of beauty & personality. However, he was left extremely frustrated when it came to sexual chemistry, so he threw the towel & gave up. This is why she is so intriguing to me.

However, the last time i felt this way, i decided to see Jacinthe of Eleganza, and it turned out to be one of my most disappointing encounters of all time. I had been warned, i had read all the crappy reviews about her, but i was mesmerized by Jacinthe's pictures & wound up getting burned for it. My curiosity got the best of me and i thought things could be different for me since i was an experienced hobbyist who got along very well with 99.9% of the sps that i had seen over the years. After she left my place, I actually began to chuckle loudly. How awful that 'date' had turned out could only make me laugh.

We all need to laugh once in a while, don't we? :nod:

Finally, if Ms. Hailey Mitchell is successful at her current rates, i tip my hat off to her and applaud her. If i were in her shoes, i would be charging as much as i could. These wonderful young women are in this business for money, and i have nothing against them taking advantage of the opportunities presented to them in order to expand their capital.

p.s. I just took a look at her post. Very enticing pictures, and i'm impressed by the dialogue. I'll take EB's word that she's a true HDH & I have no problem with the way her rates are set up. Sure, it's $500 for the first hour, but it's $700 for two hours, which makes it $350 per hour. Of course, someone wishing to see her would be foolish just to see her for one hour, considering it's only $200 more to see her for two hours. This is an old marketing scheme that's been around forever in order to encourage consumers into booking this young lady for two hours. Many women i've met over the years prefer 2+ hours bookings and this is the way to go to encourage multi-hour bookings.
 

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We certainly do, Doc. Frankly, I don't understand the point of this thread. If somebody is silly enough, or too lazy to do a bit of research, and wants to spend two or three times as much as he needs to gain nothing, who are we to sneer at him.

The simple fact remains that there is not an HDH girl working now, nor has there ever been, who has anything on Molly, who has anything on Naomie, who has anything on Elena, who has anything on any number of other girls who are working at regular rates. The only difference between the HDH girls is marketing and client ignorance. More power to them. Could Molly make it as an HDH if she chose? You bet. Could Elena make it as an HDH if she chose? You bet. Could Naomie make it as an HDH if she chose? You bet. Are there 20-30 more girls working in Montreal working at agencies who could make it as HDH? You bet.

I went to a Halloween "party" a couple of years back given by a well known local HDH agency. There was one (1) girl working there that night whom I would not have refused at the door. One of the girls, just the other day referred to on the board as a "legend" was wearing a kilo of makeup in an unsuccessful attempt to cover her acne scars.
 

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Its all perception as to how the client sees the girls. To many the gnd look will never be HDH material and thats fine. To others that same gnd is a knockout and could easily (in the clients mind) be a hdh if she so chose. Usually a HDH means beautiful everything! Face, body, attitude, style, "look" and outstanding service. Most sp's do not qualify for this yet as foreskin said above could be charging hdh rates, BUT they would not truly be a HDH based on the criteria mentioned. Truth of the matter is, it would be a very low % of all sp's who would fit under the catagory of being a true HDH. And if the girls are HDH's for real and are charging hdh rates, then good for them, each and every one of us would do the same if the shoe was on the other foot. In business you want to maximise profits and this is no different. If they can get hdh rates, then more power to them!
 

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Alyssa: I don't think anyone in the thread is trying to get a discount because someone else is cheaper. With all the discussion of rates going on the board lately I think many people have expressed what their limits are, but I haven't seen anyone try to haggle with an SP or agency. In short, if they don't like the rates, they will find someone cheaper not try to get a discount.

Besides for some people like there is something more important than money, and its time. Not all of us get to Montreal as often as we would like. If a 'date' does not go well you can send the lady away and try to get someone else on short notice. That never works out for me since all the good talent is either booked or needs a day's notice. So the choice is between sending the lady away and finding a way to amuse myself, or suffering until the end of the date.
 

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The concept trumpted by runmples et al is a bit of a head scratcher. The misconception that exactly the same type of woman and services is available for bargain prices as for HDH prices shows a lack of understanding as to what the the HDH punter wants more than anything else. Yes if all you want is a quick wick-dipping with some that looks like she is 19 then yes you can get that fairly cheap. If that's all you like then great, you won't have to cash in all of your empties. Best of luck to you. Carry on.

EB you were quite right even the old farts here have turned this into an HDH bashing thread. Indirectly insulting or putting down HDH customers as being lazy, "not having done their homework" or other implied difficiencies .....well i can only conclude that this makes those that can't afford HDH providers feel better about themselves. Otherwise why bother commenting if its not a market segment that you frequent? Really after all these years you would think maturity would bring some common sense and manners.

One of the side benefits that seems to be being brought clear by this thread is that one of the many attractions of HDH also includes the likelihood that the girl you are seeing hasn't just left the room of one of these whiney mopes.
 

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I went to a Halloween "party" a couple of years back given by a well known local HDH agency. There was one (1) girl working there that night whom I would not have refused at the door. One of the girls, just the other day referred to on the board as a "legend" was wearing a kilo of makeup in an unsuccessful attempt to cover her acne scars.

I was at the same party.
I was attracted to 4 of the women there and saw them all....3 on multiple occaissions.
I don`t regret 1 minute of my time with them.
Different strokes for different folks.

PS ....Doc Istill have you cowboy hat....want it back?
 

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Doc Istill have you cowboy hat....want it back?

LOL!!!

Nah, i bought another one last year. You can either keep the one you currently have or give it away to one of your favorite sps & tell her that this used to belong to the infamous Dr. John Henry Holliday, the boozing gambler, womanizer & gunslinger extraordinaire himself! :lol:

I only wore this one once, when i attended the Montreal Girlfriends halloween party a couple of years ago or so.

On another note, i fully agree with Possum Trot on all accounts. I couldn't have said it any better myself. :thumb:
 

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EB you were quite right even the old farts here have turned this into an HDH bashing thread. Indirectly insulting or putting down HDH customers as being lazy, "not having done their homework" or other implied difficiencies .....well i can only conclude that this makes those that can't afford HDH providers feel better about themselves. Otherwise why bother commenting if its not a market segment that you frequent? Really after all these years you would think maturity would bring some common sense and manners. One of the side benefits that seems to be being brought clear by this thread is that one of the many attractions of HDH also includes the likelihood that the girl you are seeing hasn't just left the room of one of these whiney mopes.

I agree PT. From my own perspective, I have 10 years experience in Montreal seeing escorts at all price levels. I generally have a higher batting average with the HDH ladies especially in finding ladies who are sophisticated and classy looking and speak well. These qualities are attractive to me and I should not have to apologize for that, or be called a lazy researcher, because I am anything but. It's true I have met many LDL gems, some of whom later became HDH escorts. In my case I just feel I can financially afford it, I am not seeing a high volume of escorts like some, and quality is more important than quanitity. For this reason most of my recent meetings have been with the HDH escorts. The last 3 ladies I saw in Montreal were all FKS ladies. I am not saying everyone should do the same thing but for me and what I want or desire, and for the batting average that I am compiling based on what I like in women, it's the prudent way to go. I do not like seeing people post sweeping generalizations about those who use HDH escorts, that is what hits the "personal nerve" as Merlot said. I have 10 years experience at all levels, good and bad experience at all levels, and I get to choose how I spend my money and I have a wealth of experience do draw from in doing that. So anyone who comes on board and basically says I am a know-nothing who falls into tourist traps, is himself a know nothing.

I also do not understand why people who say that HDH escorts are too risky, and ask for too much info, are even posting in this thread. If you want to see LDL escorts, fine, move on and post in those threads!!!!!! I have always concluded that the HDH-bashing posts makes the basher feel better about himself, but accomplishes nothing else and nothing constructive as far as providing real information on what is actually out there. In this thread we have 3 people who have provided real, actual information, Possom Trot, me and orchidee.
 
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Thanks for your feedback on your time with Hailey, EB. It definitely influenced my decision to send her an e-mail. If the purpose of this thread was to receive information on this SP, then it should be locked before it degenerates further.
 

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The misconception that exactly the same type of woman and services is available for bargain prices as for HDH prices shows a lack of understanding as to what the the HDH punter wants more than anything else.

EB you were quite right even the old farts here have turned this into an HDH bashing thread. Indirectly insulting or putting down HDH customers as being lazy, ``not having done their homework`` or other implied difficiencies...

One of the side benefits that seems to be being brought clear by this thread is that one of the many attractions of HDH also includes the likelihood that the girl you are seeing hasn`t just left the room of one of these whiney mopes.

Well PT,

Your post fails on two major points. First, no one did any of the personal bashing of the typical clients of HDHs as you did in your crass stereotyping which seems to have come out of some kind of touchy over-sensitivity. Second, attack is all you did. No enlightenment or counterpoint backing up the HDH at all. If the character of the client you project in your post as a presumed HDH client yourself is what you want to typify for this niche, then you`re the one insulting your group.

Your inference that those who now question the value of seeing an HDH are only interested in a quick wick dip is a pretty low character insult. I don`t know if you were around back between 2001-2005, but in my case your assessment shows your post is sadly lacking in facts.

In my first few years I was the typical HDH client. So lack of references or money is not the issue. I dealt with Montreal Girlfriends and Frenchkiss Society frequently considering how often I saw escorts. I also met Independent HDHs like Miss Samantha, Bianka of Montreal, and of course Lily Lombard (under various other names) and others. I was very interested in the refined companion of intelligence, cultural sophistication, grace, charm, refined sensuality and sexual intimacy; in finding those with whom one might develop an extended relationship and enjoy quality companionship time with (without sex) as well as share mutually happy sensual and sexual gratification. NOT just fuck!

What I found too many times was an often sterile assembly line scheme with very pretty or beautiful women good at packaging a fantasy image, while providing a very superficial fast food-like experience. Exactly as befits the same criticisms you accuse the clients in this thread of wanting. The same thing you accuse us of wanting is the same thing these women provided that often makes them no better than those who charge much less. Several Montreal Girlfriends I met back then were very inadequate, except for Emmanuelle. Frenchkiss with Melanie Cherie, Rebeka and Kiyoko, and Independents like Miss Samantha and Lily Lombard were real companions. But Frenchkiss also had it`s fast food escorts along with Independents like Bianka of Montreal.

I have to confess that just being with beautiful women in the early days, and lacking the experience back then of what should be expected, led me to writing reviews that over-glorified sub-standard pretended companions with their fast food services. EXPERIENCE with HDHs is what had led me to question the general worthiness of HDHs.

Possum Trot your post is pretentious, and hollow. Personally, I`ve applauded all HDHs who have the worthiness to keep their clients coming back happily for the rates they ask. But you`ve been too short-sided and/or biased about this to see that what is being challenged in this thread is an apparent trend by some agencies to charge more based only on the fear of losing their ladies rather than their worthiness for those rates.

I`m thinking about taking the plunge, but I am weary of self-descriptive ads where the woman focuses on how exquisite and poised she is as opposed to how much fun she is to be around. Makes me feel like I am making an appointment with a statue.

There`s really nothing wrong with asking around about an HDH (or any other SP for that matter) before taking the plunge. The high rates make the asking around more critical, and there is nothing wrong with that.

I share your thoughts Doc. I too had a nightmare scenario with a $300/hour HDH agency. I myself have been curious about Paris Chan (Toronto FKS). But with her comically high prices its never been an option

I agree with the comments brought forward by Alyssa Roze, Eager4beaver and Rolling Stone.

One of my most disappointing experiences as a hobbyist was the last time i paid $300/hour to see someone. I probably wouldn`t even have paid $150 to see her. When our time together was over, i litterally felt like i was giving her money to leave.

Well Doc agrees with you PT, while also having making what you call ``whiney mope`` sharp criticisms himself.

I agree with Rolling Stone who takes my overall perspective that the ladies are entitled to what the customer will pay, but...``high rates make the asking around more critical, and there is nothing wrong with that.``

Yeah EB, it`s now become what you said.

Cheers,

Merlot
 

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I agree PT. From my own perspective, I have 10 years experience in Montreal seeing escorts at all price levels. I generally have a higher batting average with the HDH ladies especially in finding ladies who are sophisticated and classy looking and speak well. These qualities are attractive to me and I should not have to apologize for that, or be called a lazy researcher, because I am anything but.

Okay,

No one has criticized any client in this thread until Possum Trot. I have no idea why any client of an HDH, including myself mainly in the first 4-5 years, and a number times later, should seem to feel uncomfortable about this thread. As I just stated, my focus is what at least one agency owner stated as his purpose for inflating rates, which is fear of losing a lady instead of her worthiness. This has nothing to do with criticizing ladies who justifiably charge what clients are willing to pay. Is there some insecurity in you that makes you perceive an attack where none was made? If an owner or owners keep(s) raising rates just to keep ladies from leaving are you still going to feel defensive instead of looking at the real issue? Do you think it`s fine to pay for owner insecurity?

EB, your tactic of imposing disingenuous labels shows your impulses and tastes aren`t any more refined than mine or most others. I`ve always touted research and making connections with creditable sources (members) as the best insurance for a successful encounter. The preference for seeing HDHs more often has nothing to do with research habits, in fact the skill in finding the same companion qualities among non-HDHs takes more work and shows a lot more wisdom than those who feel somehow that paying more for the same quality makes them better than others. I don`t know why anyone is being so defensive about seeing HDHs, but if they are THEY have the issue.

``EB is right; i always said; If someone is trying to bring you down, it only means that you are above him.``

This is nonsense in this case because the idea that clients were being criticized was a fake premise in this thread. Lack of value for the rate is the criticism. The defenders of HDHs starting taking personal shots at other members, and the defensiveness of doing that proves the opposite of your quote.

Frankly, this defensiveness looks like a tactic to get a thread you and others object to closed. EB has almost as much infered that intent.

Cheers,

Merlot
 

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Merlot,

I think you need to go back and re-read this thread. There is no need for you to personalize this and imply that I have some insecurity about this issue. I previously said that I did not have a problem with HDH bashing but this thread was not started as an HDH bashing thread, it was started as a thread seeking info on Hailey Mitchell. It later became a HDH bashfest as far as rates, risk/reward, informational requests by HDH escorts. This is not the thread for that discussion, or for the various issues you have raised. There are dozens of other threads on these issues and I have no problem dumping all the posts in this thread, except the ones made about Hailey, into the proper receptacle thread.
 

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Merlot,

I think you need to go back and re-read this thread. There is no need for you to personalize this and imply that I have some insecurity about this issue. I previously said that I did not have a problem with HDH bashing but this thread was not started as an HDH bashing thread, it was started as a thread seeking info on Hailey Mitchell. It later became a HDH bashfest as far as rates, risk/reward, informational requests by HDH escorts. This is not the thread for that discussion, or for the various issues you have raised. There are dozens of other threads on these issues and I have no problem dumping all the posts in this thread, except the ones made about Hailey, into the proper receptacle thread.

EB,

You and PT shot in personalized labels against other members as "mopers", "lazy" etc, as if there is some silly class war going on. That's a very disingenuous diversion from the real criticism. You are right that 90% of these posts belong elsewhere, but to say it is "HDH bashing" when the issue is challenging value is to infer all ladies charging HDH rates are worthy...and that's nuts. Even Doc and Rolling Stone have cited disasters, and you have noted your own experiences with poor HDH encounters....and those bad encounters are not always about poor connections between the parties. Sometime escorts at any level are just bad!

BTW...I saw Hailey Mitchells website yesterday. She looks like a beautiful doll, and I like her nose very much. That's all I can justifiably say about her.

Cheers,

Merlot
 

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EB,

You and PT shot in personalized labels against other members as "mopers", "lazy" etc, as if there is some silly class war going on. That's a very disingenuous diversion from the real criticism. You are right that 90% of these posts belong elsewhere, but to say it is "HDH bashing" when the issue is challenging value is to infer all ladies charging HDH rates are worthy...and that's nuts. Even Doc and Rolling Stone have cited disasters, and you have noted your own experiences with poor HDH encounters....and those bad encounters are not always about poor connections between the parties. Sometime escorts at any level are just bad!

Cheers,

Merlot

I did not use the label, I responded to someone else using it to say I am not a lazy researcher. However, I am not uncomfortable with what PT said and am in full agreement with it.

All of the issues raised by you have been discussed many times on this board in many other threads. The answer is still the same, which is there is no right or wrong answer, and everyone has their own concept of risk vs. reward and value. As I said previously virtually this entire thread is a rehash of everything said many times, in many other threads, and I do not feel any of it is topical or original. People are mainly speaking in terms of subjective conclusions, and everyone has a different opinion. Opinions are also being offered by people who have no extensive experience at the HDH price level.
 
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Reading the advertising from Miss HAILEY that $500 first hour but you can only book her if you provide reference.what the hell is happening in this city?any one have any info about this wonderful high price sp?

Seriously, three pages of threads, and only THREE THREADS about her. We should leave this thread rest. Start a new thread called " The Goods, The Bads and The Ugly of HDHs"
 

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One of the side benefits that seems to be being brought clear by this thread is that one of the many attractions of HDH also includes the likelihood that the girl you are seeing hasn't just left the room of one of these whiney mopes.
I've got a bridge that you might be interested in. Do you know how many HDH girls are working at agencies on the side to fill in the hours? The girls working at the agencies and the HDH girls are one and the same. The only difference is marketing.

You should have been at the MGF incall party last year. They were doing back to back half hours at 200$ per. You'd think you were in Tijuana. Ha. HDH, my sweet Irish ass.

It is, however, true that there are some indies who only see one or two a day, but you don't have to spend a kings ransom to see one.

By the way, I've seen more than my share of HDH girls, only I saw them when they were working at agencies.
 

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This is hilarious and is possibly the best comment I've seen on the HDH hoax. I found it on the donations page of the very attractive website of an HDH indy advertiser who posted this morning. The bottom line is in dark text on a dark background.

unnamed merb HDH advertiser said:
Details In-Call
2 hours - Cocktails and Companionship $750
4 hours - Dinner & Desert $1200
6 hours - Dinner & Night Out (Old Montréal) $1600

12 hours - Ceaser's Dream $3000
24 hours - Pharos’s Delight $5000


1 hour - available ONLY upon request
Subject to schedule and availability $200
 

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Sorry Merlot I cannot respond to your posts as I haven't read them. Far too lengthly and, if the past is any indication, likely to contain views not worth considering - other than in a roundabout way perhaps reinforcing my point :D

In any event Ms Mitchell is a very nice young lady who has been successful in this segment for a while and if any of you are interested in this segment you could do worse.
 

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Hello Gentlemen,

``Sorry Merlot I cannot respond to your posts...``

Sorry they intimidate you so much PT.

One of the side benefits...
Do you know how many HDH girls are working at agencies on the side to fill in the hours? The girls working at the agencies and the HDH girls are one and the same. The only difference is marketing.

You should have been at the MGF incall party last year. They were doing back to back half hours at 200$ per. You`d think you were in Tijuana. Ha. HDH, my sweet Irish ass.

It`s too bad PT. We can`t know if you were talking about HDHs who are Independents. In that case you would be right. However, your statements show a big lack of knowledge on agency HDHs. One of the elements that turned me off of HDHs was the same common back to back assembly line appointment system agencies use that he implies does not exist.

In one specific case Emmanuelle of the old MGF/companions explained after the main course how she absolutely refused to be...I can`t remember the precise quote after 7 years or so...but it was something like...being sold like a product to the next guy right after another. Once I had arrived at the incall room about 5-10 minutes late and when I knocked I heard some kind of scramble going on. Then Alexandra, the owner herself, came to the door in a towel to say the previous client had not left yet. So much for PT`s presumption.

24 hours - Pharos’s Delight $5000

1 hour - available ONLY upon request
Subject to schedule and availability $200.

So she prices herself slightly high for one hour, then like 3 times the rate of Miss Samantha for a full day. lol.

Cheers,

Merlot
 
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