has anyone ever tried a 'pre-meeting'??

[2fast2slow]

I have had a lot of doors slammed in my face lately...you never know what you are going to get until you get to the location and meet the sp. Even if there are reviews and you examine the pictures carefully, there are still surprises when you arrive. I have been doing this for a good while now and I instantly know when the door opens whether or not I am attracted to the person in front of me. Too many times I have stayed and payed and regretted it. Good face pictures would help a lot, but not many want to send face pictures over teh web.

I have often thought of proposing a 'pre-meeting' (especially for independants, dont think agencies would go for that). $20, we meet and talk for 5 min, and that`s it. No if I like I stay. 5 min, that`s it. If I like, I set up another appointment through texts. If I don`t like, well at least there is not that awkward moment where you are basically telling a girl to her face I am not attracted to you.

Anyone ever try something like that?

 

[jalimon]

I completely understand girl that hide their face, completely normal.

I would definitely go for 5 min 20$ meeting, just to meet and greet. I find it a very good idea!

I understand Lily's point on having to prepare... Well the thing is I would much prefer that the girl do not prepare at all! Completely natural in street clothes, how can you beat that?

Cheers,

 

[cloudsurf]

Over the years I`ve met several Inies for a social pre-romantic date.
Its like any blind date.
While some have told me that their time is valuable and they should charge the same for social as romantic encounter...they didn`t.
In most cases I enjoyed the social encounter so much that it led to a romantic date.

 

[Julia Sky]

Lily is very right when it comes to outcalls. Since I only provide incalls I would totally do it though, no time loss on my end. I think incall girls would be a lot more open to the idea because outcall does involve way more time and the cab fee and everything... Not worth it.

 

[jalimon]

My street clothes are a dress or a skirt

Exactly what I mean If you like the girl in just her regular clothes, you will like her for sure once you meet for a sexy encounter!

And hey if I show up for a 5 minute brief and your little summer dress excite me who knows we might just extend right there for a full hour Of course, if schedule wise we can do.

Cheers,

 

[UncleBob]

Ok for a 5 min 20$ to "qualify", I don't think she will reserve a whole hour in case you want to go further for an hour or more.
You may have to rebook at another time if you want to see her longer after the qualification.

I also believe for a Incall girl, it's not a big deal and it's better than when the guy books an hour and decides not to stay and leaves without giving anything and even if he gives a 20$, she still lost an hour!

Of course, when this is a case a B&S (totaly different than the ad's pics), I'm not shy to leave with no compensation.
But here we are talking of the case of lack of face attractiveness or chemistry...


I think the idea might be good and agreed by some ladies, but for me, I don't think I would do pre-meeting.
I'm not so picky for the face... And for a first meeting, I often go with half hours...

I think many MP's offers you to see the girls live to help you making your choice...

 

[luvdozer]

I would never ask this of a provider. I have zero tolerance for any girl who uses fake pics, but that is exceedingly rare in montreal among agencies and established indys. Yes nearly all of the girls obscure their faces, but nearly all of them have extensure body pics. I only book a girl who has a body I know I will like.

Yes, it has happened that a girl has shown up at my hotel and her face is not pleasing to me. It's not fun, but it happens occasionally. I just focus on the hot body. If I was super turned off I would give her 40 and send her away, but she would have to look like kahlid sheikh mohamed for me to do that.

Time is money for these girls. Asking for a 5 minute face check for $20 is kind of like booking a plumber and saying that you want to inspect his van when he arrives and will send him away with $20 if it's dirty. It costs money to come and meet you.

If montreal were a city that was chick full of bait and switch providers and ugly girls charging sky high prices I might feel differently, but it's not. Context matters. The island is literally overflowing with gorgeous young women providing fantastic service at low prices compared to just about any other market in North america.

If you are that picky about a girls face, then it would probably benefit you to stick to a regular one who has already passed your visual inspection. The idea of a 5 minute face check for $20 seems like a great idea for you, but it offers no appeal to a provider. If I were a provider, my reaction would be "I don't want to waste my time with this chuckle head when I could be available to a client who is excited to see me. "

 

[EagerBeaver]

I totally agree with luvdozer's post. What he basically said was that the OP's post was a cheapass approach, but he did it in a very kind way. In my book any lady who accepts the offer is probably not worth seeing because she would have to be desperate to take $20 to have a guy gawk at her for 5 minutes. To me it's basically putting out a sign and saying, "women who have no self respect, please step forward." No self respecting professional in ANY business accepts such offers. Maybe I can see this being allowed at an MP (some do charge for lineups, but more than $20) or other incall, but forget about it on outcall scene.

I do recall one MP telling a client to leave because he came back a second time asking for a lineup after he did it previously that week and did not pick a girl. They got the message, that he was a cheapass and wasting their time, so they sent his ass packing the second time. They told him pick a girl, no lineup. He walked out. I witnessed it in the lobby. The MP shall remain nameless. I agreed with what they did because the guy is just wasting time if he is gawking and not paying. The fucking dude is also wasting my time because I want one of those girls to be paid for servicing me and not playing catwalk for a cheapass.

 

[UncleBob]

I think there are lots of clients that are face picky.

I know for a fact that many guys asks girls for more pics (and face pics) by sms during the booking process.
They also ask to Agencies for face pics. I know that many agencies send their girls face pics to their clients (I think they send to their regular clients only...).
I'm not sure though they do this with the girls consent !?

 

[cloudsurf]

In my book any lady who accepts the offer is probably not worth seeing because she would have to be desperate to take $20 to have a guy gawk at her for 5 minutes. To me it's basically putting out a sign and saying, "women who have no self respect, please step forward." No self respecting professional in ANY business accepts such offers.

I don`t see it like you at all.
Girls who accept a pre=date are self confidant and have a great personality. They know that the guy will find them hard to resist.
All the girls who accepted social dates with me were high end providers who not only looked as good or better than their pics....but had really interesting and endearing personalities. Out of 4, I ended up seeing 3.
For me its no different than meeting a girl at a GT.

 

[Sol Tee Nutz]

At first it read like you got the door slamed in your face not the other way around. I have walked out on 4 in my da6s and mostly because of age and size, never for looks. I see many reviews here and claim a 8 or 9 some even claim 10 but when you see them they look ok but not not great, everyone has their own tastes.
Attitude and personality should be ahead of looks and if they have all
three bonus.
Just for myseld I can not go through the trouble of a 5 min meeting to see if her looks are ok, if it was for a multiple hour dinner maybe to see if we had anything to talk about. As long az she does not look like Hillary Clinton all is good.
Just my opinion.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Cloud surf,

What's under discussion here is a 5 minute gawk for $20. If you met HDH escorts who accepted such terms please identify them.

 

[jalimon]

Cloud surf,

What's under discussion here is a 5 minute gawk for $20. If you met HDH escorts who accepted such terms please identify them.

HDH? High, drunk and horny?

Cheers,

 

[EagerBeaver]

HDH? High, drunk and horny?

Cheers,

Come on Jalimon you should know what this means - it's in the glossary- HDH= High Dollar Hottie. That's what Cloudurf was posting in comparing apples and oranges. Most HDH gals do a premeeting but it's $100. I go back to luvdozer's post. He had it right.

 

[2fast2slow]

Hum,you do realized that to go spend 5 min with you ,I for one will have to: pampered (1h only to dry the hair) + 1h to go see you then the 20$ for 5 min and then 1h to come back home...

So 3hrs I could have work in real life for a way better salary the 20$,I am not even comparing that to a Lily meeting,just real life work...

The reason I do not meet for less then 1h is that a 2-1 ratio travelling versus meeting is acceptable...more is not,hence no 15 min,no 30 min...

Mind you some do offer social rate so you can ''sample '' but 20$ is what you give a agency girl to cover the driver so all is not lost...

I'll tell you what I tell the gentleman you insist for a face pic as the face is a deal breaker, go for the one that do show theirs,
it isn't used to be the case bit nowadays they are plenty to chose from...

If a lady hides her they're a reason...and no it is not because it is not pretty...

of course it is for incall....I only do incall, so I did not think to specify...I would never expect someone to come to me all dolled up so I can 'judge' them...I am not a moron. At least I hope not

 

[2fast2slow]

At first it read like you got the door slamed in your face not the other way around. I have walked out on 4 in my da6s and mostly because of age and size, never for looks. I see many reviews here and claim a 8 or 9 some even claim 10 but when you see them they look ok but not not great, everyone has their own tastes.
Attitude and personality should be ahead of looks and if they have all
three bonus.
Just for myseld I can not go through the trouble of a 5 min meeting to see if her looks are ok, if it was for a multiple hour dinner maybe to see if we had anything to talk about. As long az she does not look like Hillary Clinton all is good.
Just my opinion.

Yes i DID get the door slammed in my face, or more accurately in my ass as I left. I have had to politely decline about 6 or 7 RDVs in the last months (I have accepted many more than that during that time). I always explain politely that I do not want to go through the meeting, that I apologize for their lost time, and offer $20 as a compensation. Some take the $20 without saying anyhing and don't seem to be fazed, some look totally bewildered and others get angry. I dont want to make people angry anymore. Looking for a better way.

I recently went to meet an sp that has very positive reviews here. The pics were not convincing but the reviews were. There are comments like 'looks better than I expected' a couple of times in the thread. All positive reviews, not one negative...So, I set up an appoitment. Firstly, I was told next availability is 1 week later. Ok, don't like that, but I accepted. One week later I confirm and go. I arrive, walk-in and know the feeling right away: this aint going to work for me. I politely explain that it is not going to work and she got angry. 'I got all prepared, I took a shower, I could have seen other clients, no false representation on my part..''. All bullshit excuses, except for the latter. I lost my time also, traveled to the location, and missed out on one of my favs who became suddenly available. When I offered the $20 she said, you owe me minimum $50 compensation! I gave partially in and gave $40 and left...but I regret it. I should have left nothing.

there has got to be a better way. I feel like 'outing' the sp in question, but I wont.

 

[charmer_]

I lost my time also, traveled to the location, and missed out on one of my favs who became suddenly available. When I offered the $20 she said, you owe me minimum $50 compensation! I gave partially in and gave $40 and left...but I regret it. I should have left nothing.

For this situation, assuming that the SP has done absolutely nothing wrong and her rate is ~200/hr, I'd say...

- 50 should be the absolute max
- 40 seems the most reasonable (to both the client and SP)
- 20 is the absolute minimum (but still seems a bit cheap)
- 0 in this situation is unacceptable imho. You've wasted her time, and she should at least be compensated for that. And no...it doesn't matter if your time was wasted too, because that was your choice to begin with.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Personally i never refused an SP. First the trouble it would be to find a plan B alone... But i am an outcall guy, and an outsider as well from MTL, so its different. There is a couple times when i saw the ladies she didn't look as hot as i hoped for, but i never got a down right ugly girl i didn't want to sleep with. Often those SP that may had not been stunner in my eyes gave me one hell of a meeting tough so its fine...

I disagree on the payment issue tough. Both clients and SPs have the right to refuse a client. If an SP would refuse me, do you think she would pay my hotel, pay my traveling fee, and compensate my time? Or even give me a 50$ that wouldn't even cover a tier of that?

If i was a local and would go incall, i could be a little more picky to say the least... I know agencies probably don't like at all when a guy does that. They probably have a tolerance degree to it. I guess 2fast didn't refuse 7 girls at the same agency lol.

Now that being said on the social meeting aspect. There is something that work like a charm for this and its the parties. I know not all agencies participate but thanksfully trough the years i was able to see many indies in person and therefore have an opinion on there full look as well as the chemistry.

I wish agencies would offer at least one party a year. In a way i can understand XO and Euphoria for instance does not need those party, they are always fully book and the girls make max money. Im sure when they have cancellation they probably fit somebody else in the spot lol.

Its a little sad tough, i would LUUUUVVV to see some of these girls in person.

During the GG party years it happened so many times girls came on and off my list... some girls where pictures didn't inspired me where like "wooooowww" and other that there pictures where totally my style there faces where not to my liking as much.

Unicorn is making one along MTL GFE in October so thats cool. Dunno if indies are again invited but knowing Jasmine style i would think so (don't quote me on this) so it may be a good ocasion to see some new faces. I know for a fact i can't wait to see Sonia in person, heard so much good and she seem so fun on Twitter Reviews are great as well. She is already on my list.

 

[charmer_]

I disagree on the payment issue tough. Both clients and SPs have the right to refuse a client. If an SP would refuse me, do you think she would pay my hotel, pay my traveling fee, and compensate my time? Or even give me a 50$ that wouldn't even cover a tier of that?

No...but then again, nobody is booking you for appointments (since you're the client). When you book with a SP, you're potentially taking away a timeslot from someone else. Time = $. Plus its your choice to come all this way and pay travel expenses just for the sake of seeing a SP.

 

[Cruiser777]

I think there are lots of clients that are face picky.

Me being one of them as I love beautiful faces.

Had I seen the faces of the SPs before the encounters, maybe 50% of them I wouldn't have booked.***

***Having said that, some the GND ladies that I met were some of the best encounters, providing, super
GFE, PSE, unrestricted and passionate service that I had to repeat with few of them multiple times.

I see many reviews here and claim a 8 or 9 some even claim 10 but
when you see them they look ok but not not great, everyone has their own tastes.

Just for myself I can not go through the trouble of a 5 min meeting to see if her looks are ok,

Depending on standards, different people, some of the 8, 9, and 10 mentioned here at MERB and that
I have met I wouldn't give more then 5 or 6s. 9 and 10 are supermodel quality for me and there are not
too many girls that fit that category.

Also, I need just few seconds to decide if the face is beautiful or not, the rest of the 5 min will be very very long
minutes if you stick around but decide not to see the provider after all..

I wish agencies would offer at least one party a year.

I think this is some of the better ways to meet the ladies.
(Of course with the amount of the traffic of the ladies coming and going, you will never see the present or up to date
line up of the ladies the time you are making your booking).