Whenever we book a provider, we go through all kinds of things like place, services, rates ect.. But do you guys feel that sometimes a provider may be a little pushy in trying to get you to spend more? Let me give you an example: There was this one time when I tried to book a very high end escort and I wanted to book for 1 hour but she said that she only would consider seeing clients that are new for 2 hour max. Her hour rate was 400/h. So for two hours my balance would jump to 800. Ok fair enough, shes super hot! I'll work to pay that off in the next week. Then I ask her if there would be a possibility to get a service such as greek during the session. She says it would be 100 extra with a smiley face... Ok new balance 900... Great, why not. I then request for a evening booking at 7pm incall. She says sorry but outcall only! I am not the person to do outcalls so she suggests I book a place just for her... So a hotel would cost me another 200..New balance 1100!! The thing is that none of these things were mentioned on web so it was through communication that I found out. I'm sure you guys have had similar experiences to my example.
Have you ever felt that a provider was being too pushy?
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The thing is that the provider could be your best experience yet and you wouldn't know until you see her. But I get a turn off when they feel very very business oriented. Some of my best encounters were with high end escorts but I did found many locals who weren't charging a crazy rate but delivered an exceptional experience!
These kinds of things are not unusual at the very high end so it really comes down to what your budget is and how much you want to see the lady. The good news is if you click you can do a 1 hour booking the second time. I would not call it being "pushy" so much as being selective in screening first time clients. She probably wants to remain very exclusive, which is her right. I am a little surprised she does not mention outcall only on her website. It's not clear to me why any SP would impose an outcall only restriction on first time clients; I would kind of expect the opposite, an incall only restriction for safety reasons. I assume she is outcall only for all clients and that should have been noted on her website.
It really does come down to what your budget can absorb and just how much you want to see her.
I have seen one in particular where I only see her for an hour ( I prefer 90 minutes) because her rates jump way too much for 90 minutes, and have not seen others as I draw the line at $300-$350h.
I am not saying that I may not make the occasional exception if I truly find her irresistible.
Then again if my ATF would raise her rates to beyond that mark I would still see her but maybe less often.
It really makes no difference if they are pushy or not because like they have a choice who they see, so do you.
I have seen one in particular where I only see her for an hour ( I prefer 90 minutes) because her rates jump way too much for 90 minutes, and have not seen others as I draw the line at $300-$350h.
I am not saying that I may not make the occasional exception if I truly find her irresistible.
Then again if my ATF would raise her rates to beyond that mark I would still see her but maybe less often.
It really makes no difference if they are pushy or not because like they have a choice who they see, so do you.
Personally ill admit i have a bit of an issue with the outcall overcharge. I get that its a bit more "work" for her and she does spend a bit of time in transportation but seeing a 100$ upcharge for a 3$ 3 subway station max ride rub me the wrong way. Especially when the price is already "prenium". I get its not an issue for richer guy but average joes like me already need to rent a room (120$) + book minimum an hour and then there would be 100$ more... yikes.
I know some of you will say "just go incall" but im not joking this litteraly is not the same for me. It makes sessions so less enjoyable. Not to mention im nervous about other stuff like cameras and such. I could be fine with an incall with a provider i already know and seen a few time, but a new one, done it a few times and im positive i could had so much more fun if it would had been outcall.
I know some of you will say "just go incall" but im not joking this litteraly is not the same for me. It makes sessions so less enjoyable. Not to mention im nervous about other stuff like cameras and such. I could be fine with an incall with a provider i already know and seen a few time, but a new one, done it a few times and im positive i could had so much more fun if it would had been outcall.
From the feedback gathered from Independent SPs, it all stems down to targeting a certainly type of clientele (i.e.: selective screening) and creating an exclusive image (affiliations with Eros, Indy Companion, etc.). Most will prefer their own incall for security issues and minimize travel costs to go on outcalls.
Most of these clients will book more than 1+ hour and downtime (talking, showering) will be about 30 mins...hence maximizing revenue for the SP.
Most of these clients will book more than 1+ hour and downtime (talking, showering) will be about 30 mins...hence maximizing revenue for the SP.
Has anyone read SuperFreakonomics? I've read the first one but I haven't read SuperFreakonomics yet. One of the authors (Levit I think) spoke at an event I was at a few years back. In Super, he did a series of interviews with a Chicago call girl. The escort was charging a certain price and she was booked solid. I don't remember the price. I wrote the numbers down somewhere but I can't remember what they were. Let's say it was $300/hour. Levit asked her if she was excited to get up and answer the phone when it rang. She looked at him and said definitively "no." He said well raise your price 100$/hour. So she did. The next time Levit saw her for an interview, she thanked him for the suggestion and she was ecstatic about it. At the end of the interview she charged him $400/hour. Doh!
I wonder if he was fucking her?
I wonder if he was fucking her?
They are sales people, they want max earnings, what do you expect, just say no.
Question to the OP... Do you have a fascination for watches, just courious.
Question to the OP... Do you have a fascination for watches, just courious.
Just remember one thing ottawaguy the price you pay is absolutely not a guarantee of a great outstanding sessions.
I have no problem with girl asking high end price its 100% their choice. But of all that i tried the experience turned a bit meh...
maybe its just you... and me...
I have no problem with girl asking high end price its 100% their choice. But of all that i tried the experience turned a bit meh...
maybe its just you... and me...
613ottawaguy,
Your story sounds totally familiar.
Several years ago, on a biz trip to Frankfurt, I tried to book this popular escort at a high end German agency.
The rate was published at 1200 Euros for 3 hours minimum. Kinda high but not unreasonable for these high end agencies so I went ahead. Shortly, the agency sent me an email saying that because the escort recently moved from Frankfurt to a small university town, I also had to pay for her train ticket. Not great but what the hell ..... I’m already shelling out 1200 Euros for the appointment.
Then came another email saying that because my appointment would end after the last train, I would also have to put her up at a hotel in Frankfurt for the night. All in, this 3-hour appointment quickly increased from 1200 Euros to 1500+ Euros.
Then came the final email which suggested that instead of all this unnecessary costs, why don’t I just book a 12-hour overnight appointment so that I won’t need to pay for the escort’s hotel room?
Needless to say, I cancelled the appointment which pissed off the agency but hey, I may have been born at night but it wasn’t last night.
Your story sounds totally familiar.
Several years ago, on a biz trip to Frankfurt, I tried to book this popular escort at a high end German agency.
The rate was published at 1200 Euros for 3 hours minimum. Kinda high but not unreasonable for these high end agencies so I went ahead. Shortly, the agency sent me an email saying that because the escort recently moved from Frankfurt to a small university town, I also had to pay for her train ticket. Not great but what the hell ..... I’m already shelling out 1200 Euros for the appointment.
Then came another email saying that because my appointment would end after the last train, I would also have to put her up at a hotel in Frankfurt for the night. All in, this 3-hour appointment quickly increased from 1200 Euros to 1500+ Euros.
Then came the final email which suggested that instead of all this unnecessary costs, why don’t I just book a 12-hour overnight appointment so that I won’t need to pay for the escort’s hotel room?
Needless to say, I cancelled the appointment which pissed off the agency but hey, I may have been born at night but it wasn’t last night.
There are a couple of Indies in TO I want to do. On e requires newbies to book her 2-hours. The other is Carmen Flavia. She recently changed their policy for new customers to book a minimum of 1.5 hours for a newbie and a deposit! Can you imagine paying a deposit and getting turned away at the border?
https://www.carmenflavia.com/honorarium
I booked Maria Styles in Vegas about 6 or 7 years ago. I believe that she was $500/hour. We had spoke on the phone, texted, e-mailed over and over. The morning of our appointment I asked her to do her eyes up and wear one of several outfits that she wore in her advertisements. She said that that would be an extra $100. I said now way. She never showed and she was the first girl not to try to contact me with an excuse. she never returned my emails or texts. She just ghosted me. If she wanted $600 then just fucking say so up front. Don't nickel and dime me to death. I wonder if someone made a better offer?
https://www.carmenflavia.com/honorarium
I booked Maria Styles in Vegas about 6 or 7 years ago. I believe that she was $500/hour. We had spoke on the phone, texted, e-mailed over and over. The morning of our appointment I asked her to do her eyes up and wear one of several outfits that she wore in her advertisements. She said that that would be an extra $100. I said now way. She never showed and she was the first girl not to try to contact me with an excuse. she never returned my emails or texts. She just ghosted me. If she wanted $600 then just fucking say so up front. Don't nickel and dime me to death. I wonder if someone made a better offer?
There is knowing that you prioritize the experience of a high-dollar lady over value you'd find at an agency-- and then there's nickel and diming. 613Ottawa, DonBusch and Hungry, your stories reek of nickel and diming. But given that Hungry and Don backed out, you guys realized they were trying to squeeze more out of you. 613Ottawaguy, if you can afford it and you really want to see her then go for it.
I'm in agreement with Jalimon that SP price doesn't not reflect quality at all, especially in a city with overall solid service like Montreal. I'm not applying Montreal value for niche demands, just typical GFE. But I also understand when you have your heart set on someone. In a few weeks, I hope to see two women I really want to see, despite the fact that they are considerably more than your typical $220 tier. The amount of money I'll spend one of them would cover 3.5 hours with one agency woman (versus 2 hours with her), or one agency woman at 2hrs and a second one at 90 minutes. Seeing them won't send me to the poor house and I already know I could have even more women if I chose others, but hey, gotta meet them.
I'm in agreement with Jalimon that SP price doesn't not reflect quality at all, especially in a city with overall solid service like Montreal. I'm not applying Montreal value for niche demands, just typical GFE. But I also understand when you have your heart set on someone. In a few weeks, I hope to see two women I really want to see, despite the fact that they are considerably more than your typical $220 tier. The amount of money I'll spend one of them would cover 3.5 hours with one agency woman (versus 2 hours with her), or one agency woman at 2hrs and a second one at 90 minutes. Seeing them won't send me to the poor house and I already know I could have even more women if I chose others, but hey, gotta meet them.
I am a firm believer that (1) in most cases, there are no bargains. Pay the going rate. Going after girls on Leolist for a discount is like playing Russian Roulette. Some of my biggest disappointments are girls falling into this category. I am also a firm believer in that (2) paying above the going rate does not guarantee a better experience.
In the case of Marie Styles, I was able to call 100Proof and get an agency girl for $400. I told the booker what happened. I made an outfit request (requesting that she select from one of several outfits that she had in her photos on the website.) The booker said "She's got to wear something." And he told me that he was going to tweet the following: 100Proof: Where outfit requests [are always accepted]
In the case of Marie Styles, I was able to call 100Proof and get an agency girl for $400. I told the booker what happened. I made an outfit request (requesting that she select from one of several outfits that she had in her photos on the website.) The booker said "She's got to wear something." And he told me that he was going to tweet the following: 100Proof: Where outfit requests [are always accepted]
Some chic tried to get me to book an entire weekend for € 5000 during the session, lol! DDG girl, probably one of the best looking SP’s I’ve seen. Very pushy and was really annoying. Service was average @ best. Not trying to come off as an A-hole, but for sure she was being really lazy with certain aspects of the service. Kept saying how she prefers longer sessions, 6 hours + and you don’t get the best out of each other in two hours? Gee, I wonder why? There have been times where I’ve had absolutely nothing to talk about with some providers, little chem, but wow, unbelievable service, and in a lot shorter time span than 2 hours, lol.
I agree that higher price does not always equal exceptional service. You see, my max budget to spend is 500 on a lady, not including tip. This women was a super hot Brazilian goddess I couldn't resist. The issue was that it racked up soo much more then I ever expected that I had to back down and politely decline the appointment.
I know guys who will only stick to 140/hh budget and seem to be just fine in Ottawa! They had regulars or would TOFTT and sometimes run into what they call gems! It all depends on the person and what they could afford. In my case, I could afford her at 500/h which was advertised on her ad...and I was even willing to pay 800 max but she kept raising it to 1100, and that for me felt a little pushy from her end. I would have completely dismissed her if her ad included the following:
-First time clients max 2H
-Greek extra 100
-Outcall only
It was only through communication that I found those out.
I know guys who will only stick to 140/hh budget and seem to be just fine in Ottawa! They had regulars or would TOFTT and sometimes run into what they call gems! It all depends on the person and what they could afford. In my case, I could afford her at 500/h which was advertised on her ad...and I was even willing to pay 800 max but she kept raising it to 1100, and that for me felt a little pushy from her end. I would have completely dismissed her if her ad included the following:
-First time clients max 2H
-Greek extra 100
-Outcall only
It was only through communication that I found those out.
My worst experience was last week. An escort offered a certain rate. I accepted her offer. An hour after we were supposed to meet, she texted that she was running late. Three hours later, she told me that I was lucky that she was willing to come at all as she had asked practically nothing, but she absolutely promised to come. (I didn't offer more as, at that point, I had ceased to care if she showed up and didn't want to reward her for stringing me along.)
She never showed up nor did she contact me again.
She never showed up nor did she contact me again.
Why would a hotel cost $200? There are plenty of cheap options (including siesta rates, which is about $60 for 4 hrs - Chabrol, etc). Also some ppl use Airbnb as well (I don't though...not for seeing SPs).
Ok hustler/hustling... Just like you CLOUD 500, it's not my thing. Which is why I ended up not seeing her.
Every escort/provider is different. If that's how she rolls then I'm fine with it....
Man I just love the way Sonia von Sacher books lol. We got it straight to the point and I remember how she threw all the long laundry list of acronyms I loved at me... Some providers never even ask you what you want unless you bring it up. Not Sonia lol she was great!
Every escort/provider is different. If that's how she rolls then I'm fine with it....
Man I just love the way Sonia von Sacher books lol. We got it straight to the point and I remember how she threw all the long laundry list of acronyms I loved at me... Some providers never even ask you what you want unless you bring it up. Not Sonia lol she was great!
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