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Obvio-0bvio

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The increase in HIV infections may be linked to the COVID-19 vaccination . This connection seems logical since the immune system becomes highly vulnerable and weak following vaccination.

Evidence suggests that individuals who have received vaccinations have experienced occurrences of chickenpox and other infections typically associated with childhood and the corresponding vaccinations.

If this were indeed the cause, i would not be surprise to see a rise in HIV infections.
 

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The increase in HIV infections may be linked to the COVID-19 vaccination . This connection seems logical since the immune system becomes highly vulnerable and weak following vaccination.

Evidence suggests that individuals who have received vaccinations have experienced occurrences of chickenpox and other infections typically associated with childhood and the corresponding vaccinations.

If this were indeed the cause, i would not be surprise to see a rise in HIV infections.
Maybe, but another hypothesis for the surge of HIV is the massive immigration levels from countries with a high rate of infections.
Of course it is not politically correct, but we have literally millions of new people coming in a few years, at a rate not observed anywhere else at the present time. Maybe not, but we'll never know, nobody will be allowed to measure that.
 

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The increase in HIV infections may be linked to the COVID-19 vaccination . This connection seems logical since the immune system becomes highly vulnerable and weak following vaccination.

Evidence suggests that individuals who have received vaccinations have experienced occurrences of chickenpox and other infections typically associated with childhood and the corresponding vaccinations.

If this were indeed the cause, i would not be surprise to see a rise in HIV infections.
That's a pile of horse shit and you should be banned for even saying it.
 

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That's a pile of horse shit and you should be banned for even saying it.
I would like to remind you that we are in Canada, where I have the right to hold my own opinion. As I am not a doctor, I understand that my opinion may not hold much value. However, you are free to interpret it as you wish.
 

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I would like to remind you that we are in Canada, where I have the right to hold my own opinion. As I am not a doctor, I understand that my opinion may not hold much value. However, you are free to interpret it as you wish.
As much as I disagree with the initial statement (and I cannot emphasize how I disagree with the link between Covid vaccinations and rise in HIV...The debate would be long here, and I am sceptical about the business of covid vaccinations, but not agains the basic principles...that's an entire other thing), One cannot seriously want a ban for someone who expresses an opinion, especially, ironically, ona stite that promotes an activity that is very technically illegal....(not that it should be but that's also another story). Respectful opinions should be encouraged and not banned...That's how we evolve as a society.
 

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As much as I disagree with the initial statement (and I cannot emphasize how I disagree with the link between Covid vaccinations and rise in HIV...The debate would be long here, and I am sceptical about the business of covid vaccinations, but not agains the basic principles...that's an entire other thing), One cannot seriously want a ban for someone who expresses an opinion, especially, ironically, ona stite that promotes an activity that is very technically illegal....(not that it should be but that's also another story). Respectful opinions should be encouraged and not banned...That's how we evolve as a society.
I completely agree with you, my friend. It is important to express our own opinions and beliefs, and if others happen to agree, that's great. However, it is equally important to respect the opinions of those who may have a different viewpoint. It is truly astonishing when someone is criticized simply for having their own unique perspective and opinion. I want to emphasize that I did not intend to disrespect anyone with my statement, but rather to offer my own personal perspective.
 
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I completely agree with you, my friend. It is important to express our own opinions and beliefs, and if others happen to agree, that's great. However, it is equally important to respect the opinions of those who may have a different viewpoint. It is truly astonishing when someone is criticized simply for having their own unique perspective and opinion. I want to emphasize that I did not intend to disrespect anyone with my statement, but rather to offer my own personal perspective.
With all due respect, whether covid vaccination can induce HIV or any other viral infection is not a matter of opinion, but of FACT. If you are to make such an extraordinary claim, it has to be backed by fact (I.e. scientific proof).
 

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With all due respect, whether covid vaccination can induce HIV or any other viral infection is not a matter of opinion, but of FACT. If you are to make such an extraordinary claim, it has to be backed by fact (I.e. scientific proof).
With all due respect my friend. There have been some interesting cases where individuals who received the COVID-19 vaccine ended up getting chickenpox, which is quite unusual. What makes it even more surprising is that many of these individuals were vaccinated against chickenpox when they were young or had already contracted it as child.

Additionally, some people experienced the reactivation of viruses like Zona and shingles after getting vaccinated. It's important to note that I am not a doctor and I'm simply sharing what I have read or heard. If these viruses are spreading after COVID-19 vaccination, it raises questions about how HIV could potentially be more vulnerable to our immune systems.

However, it seems unlikely that the government would purposely spread these side effects, as it would lead to chaos and citizens blaming the government.

Personally, I have never been vaccinated and haven't experienced any sickness or side effects from the COVID-19 vaccine, but I do know people who have had various strange viruses after being vaccinated.

It's important to stay on topic and not let this discussion about COVID-19 take over the thread.
 

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That's a pile of horse shit and you should be banned for even saying it.
I don’t think the affirmation is true but why ban someone for saying it *may*.

Having read about the statistics today (including the interviews with Dr Thomas), am now convinced covid played a role in this: testing and risky activity were lower during the pandemic and some of the cases now are just spillover.

He did also mention that more and more cases are in very recently arrived people. Some come from areas where aids is endemic. I knew about the Central and Southern parts of Africa but not Ukraine and Russia.

A quick check shows that HIV is 10x more common in Russia per capita than in Canada and Ukraine has the highest infection rate in Europe at over 1% of the population (this number sounds almost too high to be true but it comes from the UN).
 
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With all due respect, whether covid vaccination can induce HIV or any other viral infection is not a matter of opinion, but of FACT. If you are to make such an extraordinary claim, it has to be backed by fact (I.e. scientific proof).
I have not seen any connection between aids and the vaccine (although I would be reluctant to get a vaccine in areas where Aids is endemic and injections standards are unclear - I understand this might be paranoid but I am like that, having worked in some of those area).

Here, the person who needs proof the most is the person who wants an hypothesis banned.

More importantly, none of us here are experts so let’s stay humble, let’s not make crazy assertions with certainty and please, check more scientific or reliable sources before making decisions about your life ;)
 
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I would like to remind you that we are in Canada, where I have the right to hold my own opinion. As I am not a doctor, I understand that my opinion may not hold much value. However, you are free to interpret it as you wish.
Of course you have the right to tell BS but anyone is entitled to remind you and others that it is still BS. Spreading false information with bad consequences for other's health is not part of the freedom of speach, more related to freedumb. It is not only obvious you are not a doctor but also that your scientific knowledge is close to zero in regard with immunolgy.
 

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With all due respect, whether covid vaccination can induce HIV or any other viral infection is not a matter of opinion, but of FACT. If you are to make such an extraordinary claim, it has to be backed by fact (I.e. scientific proof).
Ironically, contrary to your opinion, all scientific experiments start with a hypothesis which is often anecdotal arguments.

In a case where highly specialized and intelligent scientists would investigate any potential link between the COVID vaccine and HIV susceptibility, the hypothesis on the paper would read something along the lines of:
‘Covid vaccine negatively impacting immune system vs HIV’ along with a few anecdotal arguments as to why it would.

On the contrary, in the case one would claim that the covid vaccine does not have an impact, the hypothesis would read:
‘COVID vaccine does not negatively impact the immune system vs HIV’, they’d need a few anecdotal arguments as to why it wouldn’t. Since wtvmark lacked any sort of senseful anecdotal argument, he’s actually at a disadvantage in the conflict.

During either of their experiments, they’d need to either prove or disprove the hypothesis (based on how the hypothesis is worded) beyond scientific doubt, otherwise if a study is inconclusive, the hypothesis remains a possibility.

The key here is that the hypothesis is often a claim of sorts, and the purpose of scientific study is to prove whether the claim is true or false, otherwise, it remains a possibility.

So, in this case, since Obvio-0bvio’s hypothesis is that the covid vaccine could possibly have a negative impact based on his anecdotal arguments, scientifically, it remains a possibility until it is disproven. He doesn’t have to prove it — science needs to disprove it.

Scientific method is taught in the 9th grade, pals. Let’s try and remember it before carrying the pitchforks next time.
 
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Of course you have the right to tell BS but anyone is entitled to remind you and others that it is still BS. Spreading false information with bad consequences for other's health is not part of the freedom of speach, more related to freedumb. It is not only obvious you are not a doctor but also that your scientific knowledge is close to zero in regard with immunolgy.
While he may not necessarily be right, he’s not wrong either.

Insulting people’s intelligence and throwing pitchforks at them instead of actually disproving them with fact is a far greater show of freedumb.
 

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So, in this case, since Obvio-0bvio’s hypothesis is that the covid vaccine could possibly have a negative impact based on his anecdotal arguments, scientifically, it remains a possibility until it is disproven. He doesn’t have to prove it — science needs to disprove it.
You don't have a clue of the scientific method. You should at least have some basis to bring an hypothesis. Just getting one out of nowhere is not scientific. You should first observe than get numbers. Science is there to find the truth not to disprove fallacious hypothesis.
 
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High risk Exposure to HIV+ source with a high viral load is how you contract HIV. No exposure, no contraction. Not via a covid vaccine. It doesn't manifest HIV
Want to test that? ok, go expose a bunch of vaccinated people to HIV and see if they contract it, and then take a control group of unvaccinated people and expose them as well and see if they contracted it as well.
Then study the results. Except we don't do shit like that anymore cause of ethics. So if you're going to start spouting "scientific method", there was no test or study that shows that this is reproducible result, correlation vs causation, ect.

This part of the forum was Health Info, if people want to discuss covid vaccine and how its causes monkeys to fly out of your ass, there is already a dumpster fire of a section to go have that discussion in. There is a difference between reporting a health concern that might be good to know and providing opinions regardless of where you got them

mod: posts on this topic moved to the Covid subforum as suggested
 

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You don't have a clue of the scientific method. You should at least have some basis to bring an hypothesis. Just getting one out of nowhere is not scientific. You should first observe than get numbers. Science is there to find the truth not to disprove fallacious hypothesis.

Exactly. The burden of proof is on the person making the assertion. Otherwise one can simply assert anything without evidence and say "yeah? prove me wrong!"
 

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So if you're going to start spouting "scientific method", there was no test or study that shows that this is reproducible result, correlation vs causation, ect.
All I’m saying here is that there’s no proof that the COVID vaccine isn’t a factor (your stance), just as much as there’s no proof that it is a factor (his stance).

For the record, I don’t think the two are related at all, but it’s still a possibility considering we still don’t know what other negative effects the vaccine may bring (nor do I think we’ll ever truly know).

I think the increase lies more on societal factors such as recent mass immigration numbers, lack of preparedness (PrEP) caused by increased pharmaceutical hesitancy, or increased illegal IV drug use.

Regardless of what each of us think is the cause, you still don’t have the right to aggress the guy like you did just for expressing his logic/thoughts on the matter. Especially since it didn’t seem like he’d die on a hill for them in the first place.

Having now communicated your counter argument with logic and substance, we can get back on topic and remind each other that since we’re all members here because we have sexual encounters with (for some, hundreds of) strangers for money, it’s important we be extra careful considering the recent HIV case increase.
 

Obvio-0bvio

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Of course you have the right to tell BS but anyone is entitled to remind you and others that it is still BS. Spreading false information with bad consequences for other's health is not part of the freedom of speach, more related to freedumb. It is not only obvious you are not a doctor but also that your scientific knowledge is close to zero in regard with immunolgy.
Firstly, I kindly ask that you communicate with me in a respectful manner, just as i respectful in my responses to you.

Secondly, I would like to reiterate that in my previous statement, I clearly mentioned that I am not a doctor and that my opinion may not hold any value . However, based on the data available, it seems that there has been an increase in the number of cases of other viruses following the administration of the Covid-19 vaccinations. This observation suggests a potential connection .

It is entirely your choice whether or not you believe the information provided by the government, and I respect your perspective. Personally, I am more inclined to assess the situation based on logical reasoning and what seems to make sense. If the government were to assert that 1+1 equals 3, I would disagree, as I know that 1+1 equals 2.

Nevertheless, I have the right to express my own opinions regardless if it’s true or not , and I am confident that I am not alone in doing so.

While you may choose to place trust in the government and the media, I prefer to scrutinize the numbers and draw my own conclusions. Ultimately, it is my life, and I am responsible for the decisions I make.

I kindly request that you treat me with more respect in future interactions, as I have not shown any disrespect in expressing my opinions.

If you disagree with my viewpoints, you are free to ignore them and consider me delusional. However, based on my knowledge and judgment thus far, I believe that my assessments have been accurate.
 

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Nevertheless, I have the right to express my own opinions regardless if it’s true or not , and I am confident that I am not alone in doing so.
I expect people being trueful and not tell lies. Is it too much asking?
 
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