Houston, j'crois que j'ai un problème !

[SStriker]

Belles échanges les ami(e)s !

Merci !

Effectivement, si je pratique ce hobby c'est justement parce que la relation maitresse-amant est difficile à gérer, dans le sens ou la maitresse en connait trop, les sentiments s'entremêlent...
Comme disait Miss Lizzy, le contrat se signe lorsque tu remets l'argent et tu es libéré de ce fameux contrat lorsque la rencontre se termine, c'est génial.
Pour ma part, je n'ai pas l'impression de profiter de ces femmes, mais je profite des bons moments qu'elle m'apporte.
Il n'y a jamais été question d'amour dans mon premier post, mais plutôt comme plusieurs l'on dit, d'une relation escorte-client ouverte.

On s'sent bien quand même après ce genre de rencontre en !
Moi ça me boost l'estime, la confiance... j't'aller signer un beau contrat avec le gros sourire dans le visage un peu plus tard en après midi.
Merci mesdames muack xx

 

[Maria Divina]

Belles échanges les ami(e)s !

Merci !

Effectivement, si je pratique ce hobby c'est justement parce que la relation maitresse-amant est difficile à gérer, dans le sens ou la maitresse en connait trop, les sentiments s'entremêlent...
Comme disait Miss Lizzy, le contrat se signe lorsque tu remets l'argent et tu es libéré de ce fameux contrat lorsque la rencontre se termine, c'est génial.
Pour ma part, je n'ai pas l'impression de profiter de ces femmes, mais je profite des bons moments qu'elle m'apporte.
Il n'y a jamais été question d'amour dans mon premier post, mais plutôt comme plusieurs l'on dit, d'une relation escorte-client ouverte.

On s'sent bien quand même après ce genre de rencontre en !
Moi ça me boost l'estime, la confiance... j't'aller signer un beau contrat avec le gros sourire dans le visage un peu plus tard en après midi.
Merci mesdames muack xx

Je suis bien contente de lire que tu fais parti de la majorité qui ont des belles rencontres stimulantes et qui te rendent heureux!

Souvent, nous avons l'occasion de lire du négatif, mais je peux dire ici que les gentlemen que je rencontre m'ont le plus souvent qu'autrement affirmé avoir rencontré que des femmes géniales, gentilles, qui avaient une tête sur les épaules.

Mettons que les stéréotypes négatifs prennent plus la place, évidement. Mais le type de rencontre que nous faisons, SStriker, Miss Lizzy, Sapman et beaucoup d'autres, ainsi que moi-même, ne s'apparentent à rien de négatif... Comme tout partout ailleurs dans la vie, les "pas bons" sont une minorité et peuvent donner mauvaise presse aux autres, c'est tout.
J'avoue que ce ne sera pas demain la veille que la perception générale de ce que nous faisons sera vu d'un oeil positif.

Mais peu importe, nous, nous savons ce que nous vivons, au diable les autres!
"L'enfer, c'est les autres" Jean-Paul Sartre.

 

[Merlot]

Elle semble avoir du plaisir a etre avec moi, d'autant plus que j'ai du plaisir a passer du temps avec elle. Mirage ? Strategie pour que je continue d'utiliser ses services ? Surement, c'est quand même une femme d'affaire. Mais la bookeuse me repete continuellement que cette perle prend son pied, qu'elle aime nos echanges, qu'elle aimerait faire un outcall prochainement pour une session plus longue, pour sortir.

SStriker

Hello SStriker,

It is difficult for me to read French well. Excuse me if someone has said this already. I will write in English to be clearer.

Be very careful. Don't confuse talent with real feelings. The escort probably likes you, and has a lot of fun with you. The rest is probably skill at doing the job. In my opinion, as long as cash is exchanged to keep this "relationship" going...it's nothing more than business.

Escorts and bookers have told their clients stories to keep them interested. I know one case vividly where the escort made vague promises, and allowed extra sexual bonuses to keep the payments flowing, while the booker kept pushing how much the escort and client liked each other. When the client stopped paying she lost interest.

I also remember one incident where I met one escort from Frenchkiss who was visiting Boston with another escort I had an appointment with. They were in connecting rooms and when my meeting was over the other escort stopped in for an introduction. We were chatting when a name came up. It was a name of a very well known member here. I'll never for get the look on her face when she said. Oh Xxxxxxxxx, we know how to handle him.

As I said, be careful. Don't get carried away emotionally. Try to observe what is really going on, and notice if you always have to spend to see her.

Be happy you are having a lot of fun, but don't lose your head...the one above your belt. :nod:

Good luck,

Merlot

 

[Siocnarf]

When the client stopped paying she lost interest.

Not to be cynical, but that also applies to many wives/mistresses/etc. At least you know where you stand with an escort-client relationship and there are probably more people getting cheated and manipulated by their SOs then by their SPs.

 

[SStriker]

Every advices are helpful.

Thanks Merlot, you're one of my favorite merbiest here and I appreciate your words.

I will all let you know what will happen during next meeting.

Thanks everyone for your support and your time.

SStriker

 

[gugu]

the thing i hate about canadian guys they think if we become your girlfriend you have to pay less it should be the contrary you should pay more ... also if you work in the same field you should help her move up a position so then she will have more money to stop doing her job!

Wow! Amazing comment! Are who suggesting that any girlfriend should be bought? Are you suggesting that it is a condition to give money to any girls if you are to be in love with her? Are you suggesting "hooker one day, hooker forever?" Are you suggesting that an escort that falls in love and decides to quit her work should not try to make a living otherwise and live off her lover's money? Are you sure you can make a difference between your life as an escort and a woman's life in real world? Are you sure you don't live in the pre feminist era before the sixties?

I know it is a common comment here to say that it is less expensive to pay for an escort than to get a girlfriend. That has never been my experience. I have always dated woman who provide for themselves and a few restaurant bills once in while do not make any significant difference. I would never date a girl who can't provide for herself.

 

[EagerBeaver]

Exclusivity only happens if there is a Sugar Daddy arrangement, meaning the exclusivity has to be purchased. And this is no different than any other business.

My friend who was in the US Navy was stationed in the Phillipines and the way it works there is all the ladies work at bars near the base. If you want to leave with a lady and have sex with her, you have to compensate the bar owner for the loss of the lady who if she was at the bar, would be enticing other customers to purchase drinks for her. So in effect you are paying the bar owner for exclusivity. The payment you make compensates the bar owner for a lost business opportunity for you taking the girl away to have sex.

In the typical Sugar Daddy arrangement there is a payment for exclusivity but a setoff for security in the arrangement. These are things that have to be negotiated.

I recall some years ago a very popular HDH lady was taken off the market suddenly and the agency owner reported to me it was a Sugar Daddy, who was his own client. He could not compete with the offer that was made, nor could I.

It amazes me how many hobbyists stupidly and naively believe that the laws of economics are somehow suspended or do not apply to business transactions with escorts. If you look at the transaction in terms of business and economics, which is the only way that one should look at it, then sensible decisions can be made if properly negotiated giving consideration to all factors encompassing supply and demand and compensation for lost business opportunities.

 

[Mod 11]

Instead on speculating on Tia's post, maybe waiting till she clarify herself? That would allow the thread to get back on topic.

Thanks

 

[pat98]

Débat bien intéressant entre autre grâce aux filles qui commentent ! Merci à vous ! :thumb:

Puis aussi que cela ait été relancé de la mi-juin à presque mi-septembre par un post tombé comme une météorite :lol:

Par contre moi là là ... Justement !!!
ça va faire trois mois que ce thread est lancé et j'aimerai tout particulièrement avoir des nouvelles du tout premier intéressé à savoir mister SStriker !
Alors si ça te tente... Moi je serai vraiment curieux (lollll) de savoir ou ça en est ta romance avec cette fille au printemps dernier???
merci de nous faire partager si tu le fais ... bien sûr ! :nod:

PS moi aussi je trouve ça amusant le fait que si ça devient de l'amourrrrrr ça doit boum! devenir complètement gratuit ! lollll
Il y a des réalités dans la vie... surtout si la fille n'a pas vraiment d'autres moyens de subsistance... et je sais de quoi je parle après deux sugar babies :amen:

 

[gugu]

It amazes me how many hobbyists stupidly and naively believe that the laws of economics are somehow suspended or do not apply to business transactions with escorts.

Apart from the fact that the laws of economics have big defects, the main being they assume the economic agents always make rational maximizing decisions, they apply whenever it is a pay for sex relation. There may be a language confusion here. A fuck friend is someone with whom you have occasional sex with no money involved. A girlfriend, at least in the Québécois sense "ma blonde" is someone with whom you are in love AND who is in love with you. Part of it is sex with no money involved. The difference between a girlfriend and a wife is that the relations with the second is sanctioned by the society through the institution of marriage while the mutual commitment with the first, exclusivity being one of them, is a private matter.

Maybe she used the word "girlfriend" in an other sense that do not imply mutual love.

 

[gugu]

jnutz, it amazes me how many business owners stupidly and naively believe that regulations is what define the laws of economics. The free market fantasy of the economists is precisely one that is governed by and only by the buyers and the suppliers. Any government regulation is perceived as an obstruction to market efficiency. If there is any market that comes close to the real "free market" fantasy of the economists, it is precisely the black market. Such black market come even closer to the perfect market when you have boards like this one that permit transparency of information, what you call expectations of performance. I am not saying it is a good or a bad thing, but that is certainly how microeconomics works.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I agree with Gugu, the Black Market is true and pure supply and demand without governmental interference. Governments throughout history have tried to artificially tamper with supply and demand in various legal businesses and regulate various businesses with mixed results. The Black Market is the true market in which the forces of supply and demand dictate the "real" price, free of government artifice.

The best example is the airline industry. Very highly regulated, and you pay a higher price due to the pervasive regulations. And need I say anything about the oil industry and the pharmaceutical industry?

The business of prostitution in Montreal is unregulated by any government. What regulates it is you, and me, and the escorts. We determine supply and we determine demand. Nobody else.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I recall some years ago a very popular HDH lady was taken off the market suddenly and the agency owner reported to me it was a Sugar Daddy, who was his own client. He could not compete with the offer that was made, nor could I.

Ah, i know whom you're referring to. Beautiful young woman, but a bit on the strange side. If i remember correctly, she sometimes had a knack of getting lost on her way to 'dates', between the time she stepped out of the vehicle & all the way to the potential client's room.

Didn't you screw up your back while carrying her to your bed?

 

[gugu]

Thanks for the honest response, Tia. I understand very well your drive for arts. There are indeed numerous artists in that trade, many of them because it is very difficult to get steady incomes. I also understand that you may want to live with someone who is able to provide for you as an artist. I wish you the best of luck to find him. However, I disagree on the very last sentence you write. Gaging a guy's real love and interest by the amount of money he is willing to spend is using a wrong indicator. The money a guy is willing to pay correlates essentially with the money he is able to spend, not with his attachment to you. The sex industry is all about that, and to some extend, the real world correlates to the sex industry on that matter. It is certainly true that guys and women are not wired the same way on these matters. The problem of men in an asymmetrical money relation is always to find whether she is in love with them or simply after his money. I have found an easy solution to that problem: I refuse to throw money in the equation. If she is in love with me, money should not make a significant difference. I guess we don't fit together! But I love determined women like you and certainly wish you for the best both professionally and in love.

Kisses.

 

[MtlNewbie]

Holy crap. So much to read! All I can say is I generally always agree with Alyssa.

I think most of the discussion is based on what Tia is saying about a girlfriend being compensated, and in general, I think most people find that a bit weird. In her defense, we are trying to say we have different defnitions of "girlfriend" but the more the conversation continues, the more it looks like we all have the same definition of girlfriend. Personally, I think paying your actual girlfriend to not sleep with other guys is a bit weird. Also, the 300 000 dollar example is exactly a regular guy...

 

[pat98]

Personally, I think paying your actual girlfriend to not sleep with other guys is a bit weird.

Heu nah from wat I understand in this thread... It's not simply about paying her...
It is more about to give her the ability to do what she wants to do as an artist, a singer, a dancer, whatever...
If the girl escorts, it is because it's easy money (and am not always so sure of this!) and that she needs it. Obviously !
in many cases if the girl could live without fucking random guys... Of course she wont sleep with other guys ! lol
Another "compensation" could be helping her in her professional goals ! Then ok there is no "money" involved
Escorting = work = money ... really simple equation !
no money then... how to compensate her ?

 

[MtlNewbie]

definitely to each his/her own. 5000 a month is a lot for me.

 

[anonguy]

ya i would give up being an escort but for a guy i truly love but that also supports me financially to be able to do my art and my clothing line - eventually in a year from now when im a super famous artist and designer i will be able to support myself but right now i got to pay my dues i got to work hard to get there!
there so many house wifes out there that are SOOO bored oh my god id be the best wife! id cook clean sex like 3 times a day and i would never be bored while hes at work cause id be doing my art and running errands! alot of those women hate their lives because they have no goals no ambitions nothing to do - wow that would be my dream life cause id have time for my goals!

I know these seems like a dumb question, but how do you meet men in your line of work? Because I would tend to think being a hobbyist automatically means someone isn't boyfriend material. Personally speaking I am faithful, I put my hobbying on hold when I am dating someone (even after first date, if I think there is potential), or otherwise in a relationship. But it is hard because hobbying is so easy and you don't have to put up with emotional bullshit. And quite frankly, if I'm looking for a physical relationship I think hobbying is more noble because there is an understanding emotions won't get involved. Lets face it, every relationship under the sun has emotional bullshit because humans are irrational emotional creatures that do things to hurt the people that love them... and it's so hard to not get addicted to not having to deal with that. Because the third or fourth time I feel like I'm being treated unfairly or my emotions toyed with... I think "fuck it, gonna call mike" :smile: And that is so dangerous.

 

[steveaustin0000]

buissnes is buissnes$$$$$$$

 

[UNDFTD]

Alyssa in dubai on the first day a guy meets you he will take you shopping 10 thousand dollars one shot in one store- the mentality is very different - a guy likes you he will proove it and he will spend on you.

Please stop.

I have heard this "dubai" excuse too many ignorant times recently that it's a sad state. Like somehow, just because the other side pays you more luxury or material wealth, you are a higher class woman. Truth is JD, the cinderella complex is manifested in you like it has in all the other "regular girls" as you call them. You want the dress, the shoes, and the prince...lol! Bainwashed by your american and arab clients i figure. Either that or still lost in the Sex and the City movies.

So you put the pussy on a pedestal. And i support that you can charge whatever you want for it. There are always guys that will pay the price and be happy as shit. Me included. Your delusion is using one market (dubai) to upsell the other (montreal). And quite insulting to use this rationale to hate on "Canadian guys".

I've paid the equivalent of 25 cents for a can of Coke in Honduras and 25 dollars in Sweden for the same can of coke. No problems here. It's the market value. When you escort in dubai, 10 gees per hour. Good for you. Here? Take your 3 bills and join the club of regular girls. Same can of Coke.

Now why can't the original poster or other member find his comfort level with the value of that pussy to him and professionally make an offer within the market value? Not worth it to you? Move on.