How Can an Escort Tell your Ethnicity?

[EagerBeaver]

There is no legal context lol. Its illegal for us to buy, its legal for them to sell. By law thats it. But if no buyer then there is no seller ...:/. Its not rocket science. Races/colors/weight/age has nothing to do with it.

I don't understand the legal context either. Hypothetical situation #1: an escort shows up at a client's hotel room. Upon the client opening the door, the escort observes that he is an Indian client, a group she doesn't service. She informs the client, bluntly, "sorry, but I do not service Indian clients." She then walks out, leaving the client holding his boner.

Can he sue for illegal discrimination? Of course not, because he was engaged in an illegal activity. There is no discrimination. Under the law, the transaction is "void ab initio"- void from inception due to illegality. Therefore, no illegal discrimination could occur. At most it was non--actionable prejudice against an ethnicity.

Hypothetical situation #2: an escort shows up at client's hotel room. She has advertised to the client her rate is $300 per hour. The client hands the escort $300. She says to the client, "thank you. I just need to go downstairs and pay the driver." She doesn't come back.

Let's assume the client knows the escort's full name and address. Can he bring a small claims lawsuit against her, for breach of contract?

Answer: No. This lawsuit would be dismissed by any Judge in any court of competent jurisdiction in the USA or Canada. Anyone who has studied law and taken a course in contracts knows that the consideration for a contract cannot be meretricious or for services not allowed under the law. There is no contract and the $300 may not be returned, nor the contract enforced, on a breach of contract theory.

Can the client pursue a misdemeanor theft charge with the police?

On these same facts in the USA, under no circumstances as you would be admitting to a misdemeanor in order to pursue a misdemeanor charge which, in all likelihood, would not be charged. More likely is that the client would be charged if he foolishly pursued this with the police.

On these same facts in Montreal, I suspect the same analysis would apply.

So bringing up laws and legal rights is all bullshit because none of it is enforceable in Court. If it's not enforceable in Court it's not only bullshit, but bullshit in its purest and most unadulterated form. It's Super Bullshit.

By the way, I have an actual law degree and I have passed the bar in 3 US jurisdictions. You would be surprised that questions like the ones I posted above make their way onto law school exams (contracts and criminal law) and in some form on bar exams as well. Law school professors try to trick you into allowing yourself to think like a civilian instead of a lawyer. That's what separates the lawyers from the civilians in the tested group.

 

[Fradi]

No, we cannot completely remove the legal aspect for the SP, as it is applicable under Canadian law.

To make it short:

The Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act (2014) does not explicitly state that a sex worker can refuse any client for any personal reason.

This right arises implicitly from a fundamental principle of Canadian law: the requirement of free and informed consent in any situation involving the body or sexuality.

Legal basis for the right to refuse a client

Criminal Code, section 273.1 → defines sexual consent as “the voluntary agreement to engage in the sexual activity in question.”
Therefore, there is no obligation to accept a client, for any reason whatsoever.

Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, section 7 → protects the right to life, liberty, and security of the person, including control over one’s own body.

Civil and commercial law → There is no enforceable sexual contract; a client cannot demand the service, and the refusal is always valid.

In summary: The right to refuse any client is based on the principle of free consent, not on an explicit clause in the 2014 Act.

It is likely for this reason that the founders of MERB wisely consulted legal opinions when drafting Forum Rule 21.

For the client, the thread’s question is:

“How Can an Escort Tell Your Ethnicity?”

You are quoting nonsense.
It is illegal for a client to pay an escort for sex period. Therefore she is not legally bound to provide anything especially an illegal act to anybody whether it is discrimination racism or whatever.
I believe EB explained it in better terms in post #47. I believe in simplicity.

 

[Fradi]

Oh really, paying for escort services is illegal in Canada?
I was reacting to your statement about completely excluding the legal aspect for the service provider, as if it didn’t apply.

So, not your claim itself, but it raises an interesting question: can the rights of sex workers be excluded simply because their clients are breaking the law?
No. The rights guaranteed by the Canadian Charter apply to everyone, without exception.

I agree, this law, passed in 2014 by the Conservative government, criminalized clients, created an atmosphere of insecurity, and concretely limited the exercise of sex workers’ rights.
The courts acknowledge that this tension raises important constitutional issues.
Thus, their rights are not excluded in law, but weakened in practice.

Why all the legal jargon nonsense, and why are you complicating things.
Simply put a sex worker can do whatever the hell she wants you cannot hold her legally responsible because you are in fact committing an illegal act by paying her for sex.

She can refuse you for whatever reason she wants and all you will get if you go to the police is arrested for admitting to soliciting a prostitute for sex which is illegal
It doesn’t get simpler than that.

You are free to try it out go and report an escort to the cops that she refused to give you a blow job which you paid good money for because you are Black, Russian, or old, or whatever and see what happens.

The law is on her side which is the stupidest law I have ever seen which allows you to legally sell sex but makes it criminal for the buyer.
This does not help clients or escorts.
Only politicians and lawyers can come up with BS laws like this.

 

[Fradi]

The thread is “How Can an Escort Tell Your Ethnicity?”

Because some clients believe that since it’s illegal, they can be discriminated against.
However, even if it were legal, sex providers would still have the right to choose and could lawfully refuse clients.

So, what you don’t want to hear is that women have rights — not just because it’s illegal and no one would be foolish enough to file a complaint.

I don’t know where you got that from that i don’t want to hear that women have rights.
Quite the opposite, in all my posts I have always said that an escort has the right to refuse you for whatever she wants, it is her body and she can provide service to who ever she chooses.
This is not like going into a supermarket to by bananas.

So basically yes she can refuse you for your ethnicity or anything else she wants and that is the way it should be. Would you agree to have sex with anyone that had the money to pay for it ? I wouldn’t.

 

[terrybogard88]

The service is litteraly her body, which she is still autonomous and sovereign of. It is already surprising that we even have to discuss about things like that

 

[Halloween Mike]

Tes paroles me font pleurer lorsque tu prétends que ce métier n’est pas fait pour moi.

Bin désolé c'est pas le but. Je suis juste honnête et le dit comme je le sens.

 

[Yourspicyasiangirl]

Bin désolé c'est pas le but. Je suis juste honnête et le dit comme je le sens.

Je te pardonne Mike tu vas voir quand je vais gagner le trophy tu vas être fière de moi. Question comme ca.. Si tu as des enfants.... Est-ce-que que tu essayes de les pousser dans la prostitution? Parce que ca semble quelque chose de tres honorifique pour toi.

 

[Halloween Mike]

Je te pardonne Mike tu vas voir quand je vais gagner le trophy tu vas être fière de moi. Question comme ca.. Si tu as des enfants.... Est-ce-que que tu essayes de les pousser dans la prostitution? Parce que ca semble quelque chose de tres honorifique pour toi.

Quand même une drole de question ... Mais bon je dit toujours que je suis un livre ouvert alors voila...

Non pas d'enfant. Mais si j'en avais (ou encore si j'apprenais que mes nieces poursuive cette avenue plus tard quand elle seront en age) je serais supportif envers elles. Je les "pousserais pas" la dedans comme tu dis, mais si par elles même sa arriverais qu'elle deviendrait escortes ...so be it. Je vois pas ce métier comme quelque chose de "mal" ou "mauvais". Apres oui il y a des mauvais client bien sur, mais bon c'est comme dans tout. Je me sentirais assez "hypocrite" si j'était contre le fait que quelqu'un choississe ce métier alors que j'en bénificie.

Sinon je veux pas péter ta bulle mais pour gagner l'escorte de l'année il faut que les gens votent pour toi , du coup en ayant un critere de selection tres réduis tu amincie tes chances disons... Les gens votent pour celles qu'ils rencontrent.

 

[Yourspicyasiangirl]

Je mets juste ca ici.
La prostitution peut être un libre choix uniquement si la personne agit sans contrainte économique, sociale ni psychologique.
Mais dans la réalité, ce libre choix est souvent limité ou illusoire, car beaucoup y entrent par nécessité plutôt que par véritable volonté.

 

[Yourspicyasiangirl]

Mike est-ce que tu joues dans mon jeu ou tu es juste un être sans humour. Mon cher le jour que je gagne un trophé de la meilleur indy ou escort 2025, c'est le jour que j'aurais decidé de m'auto détruire à vif. Cest comme ca que je vois les choses dans mon monde à moi. Alors si un jour tu me vois à 300$ pour 1h ca va etre un signe pour vous tous que dans ma vie ca va mal. Je repeated je parle de moi que de moi. Cest ma perspective à moi.

 

[Mod20]

Rappel du sujet de ce fil de discussion :

How Can an Escort Tell your Ethnicity?​

 

[Rebaynia]

How can an escort tell your ethnicity... they can guess, but they won't really know for sure unless you tell them, or there is very distinct mannerisms, or forms of dressing, that are distinct to your culture. Otherwise it is superficial guesses.

 

[terrybogard88]

How can an escort tell your ethnicity... they can guess, but they won't really know for sure unless you tell them, or there is very distinct mannerisms, or forms of dressing, that are distinct to your culture. Otherwise it is superficial guesses.

okay. So you are saying the shape and the length of jack, that dont give a clue about the ethnicity of the guy ? what about the nipples, a dude with erogenous nipples, he doesnt necessarily come from that country that i wont name ?

 

[CaptRenault]

My race is white but when girls feel the size of my zizi inside them, they often ask me if I am part black.

 

[terrybogard88]

My race is white but when girls feel the size of my zizi inside them, they often ask me if I am part black.

"the answer lies within you" is the perfect answer when they ask that. makes you look like Nicolas Cage... or more like Rocco Siffredi

 

[jmioffe]

I saw this and thought of this thread. Suing a WG for racial discrimination would go just as well and you'd sound just as foolish as this hero.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1983501273723719901

 

[Halloween Mike]

I saw this and thought of this thread. Suing a WG for racial discrimination would go just as well and you'd sound just as foolish as this hero.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1983501273723719901

Sacrament Ginette ! Lol

Dsl les "vieux" de mon age comprendront la références

 

[terrybogard88]

I saw this and thought of this thread. Suing a WG for racial discrimination would go just as well and you'd sound just as foolish as this hero.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1983501273723719901

No sex AND no money anymore in his pocket. That s the best way to get someone very angry very quickly

 

[Anwar]

They can usually tell your ethnicity by your name if it's not an English or French name. I've been asked about my ethnicity a few times, but it was more out of curiosity than exclusion. If your name is Michael and you don't speak with an accent, then you could be white/black/latino/Asian until you produce a photo ID or show up at the door.

As a non-white person, race-restrictions bother me at a personal level. I find it absurd that I could be excluded in spite of respecting all the meeting etiquettes of a provider but a white client can pass the filter simply by being white, even though he might not be a gentleman. I'm curious to know how often is it that a black or brown person would write a decent intro by text/email, pay the security deposit, then show up at the door and start haggling and abusing the woman. You would think that a lowballer would be abusive from the first contact!

Nevertheless, I don't fret over the few who exclude by race when the vast majority of providers in Montreal do not discriminate.

 

[EagerBeaver]

I'm curious to know how often is it that a black or brown person would write a decent intro by text/email, pay the security deposit, then show up at the door and start haggling and abusing the woman. You would think that a lowballer would be abusive from the first contact!

You are assuming that being an abusive lowballer is the main reason for some SPs excluding clients by their ethnicity. I don't think that's really the case. There are probably myriad reasons that are based on generalities or suppositions that do not apply to every individual. For example, the SP doesn't see that group because they are smelly, have big dicks, don't treat women well or behave like misogynists, act like thugs or other. And a large reason is probably privacy or security. I have had SPs tell me they do not see clients of their own ethnicity for privacy reasons. Once a black SP told me she didn't see black men because she felt they were disrespectful and/or gangbangers.

It can be complicated in some cases.