How common is GFE around the world?

[Firewire]

I used to hear that SPs as a rule don't kiss their clients on the lips because it entails crossing the line into emotional attachment. Outside of Montreal I've been with only 2 SPs, in London and Budapest. The one in London kissed on the lips very lightly (no tongue), and the one in Budapest didn't. It was CBJ with both.

So I was surprised when I found out about Montreal and all the liberal services offered there. To those of you who've hobbied in other places, is GFE/PSE a common thing or unique to Mtl? It's not something i plan to pursue actively, as it's a bit of a guilty pleasure for me, but I'm curious.

 

[korbel]

Perplexing.

I used to hear that SPs as a rule don`t kiss their clients on the lips because it entails crossing the line into emotional attachment. Outside of Montreal I`ve been with only 2 SPs, in London and Budapest. The one in London kissed on the lips very lightly (no tongue), and the one in Budapest didn`t. It was CBJ with both.

So I was surprised when I found out about Montreal and all the liberal services offered there. To those of you who`ve hobbied in other places, is GFE/PSE a common thing or unique to Mtl? It`s not something i plan to pursue actively, as it`s a bit of a guilty pleasure for me, but I`m curious.

Hello Firewire,

It has always been perplexing that SPs who perform , tc, or tcim and swallow would sometimes refuse to kiss. Unfortuntately the definition of GFE has never been settled. But from the sound of your adventures in Europe, it seems that GFE-like experiences are far more common in Montreal. All you have to do is read the reviews to find someone consistently willing, or just pay a little more.

Cheers,

Korbel

 

[jackyo8193]

Can I take it then that your definition of a GFE is DFK? Or is there more to your definition of what a GFE than just that?

Some guys have the tendency to write an equation which looks like: DFK + + CIM = GFE.

I look for certain qualities in women in real life and I don`t bend those criteria in defining a GFE in a professional relationship: she actually has to be a chick who I`d like to spend time with and not just in a physical sense but also because she is intelligent, articulate, funny and communicative. I don`t pay any attention to whether she performs certain activities which fall into one of those abbreviations.

If she has nothing to say, I get turned off. There is nothing less sexy than a dumb chick.

Having said this, if you are asking whether women kiss elsewhere, the answer is yes.

My primary hunting ground being Germany, I can confirm that they do there but: a) there is a distinction between deep tongue contact and light kissing with closed lips, b) it also varies depending on your chemistry with the chick.

This is where YMMV. If you get along and there is significant chemistry between you, it can seem like making out with a girlfriend.

There are two thoughts I will inject into this discussion though. First of all, the women in Germany provide as standard so if you are kissing her, be aware of where her mouth has just been. Secondly, sometimes their dental work is not in an ideal state.

I`ve been with chick from the former Yugoslavia who maybe had only three natural teeth in her mouth.

 

[montreal_monk01]

True, GFE in its technical definition (dfk, , etc..) is rare 0utside Mtl (tried Bangkok, Prague, Dominican Rep, Cuba, Amsterdam and some Eastern European countries). And in those countries, I was used to it and never bothered with the fact that it was not technical GFE. When I came in Mtl, I was first used to agencies like Fantasme where GFE is not included in basic service...but then came agencies and sps offering technical GFE service.
Well, like anyone, I prefer great companionship over average one with GFE...but let`s face it: between 2 great ladies (one who`s not GFE, and the other one that`s `GFE) you tend to go for the one that will go miles ahead with you.

 

[Firewire]

Some guys have the tendency to write an equation which looks like: DFK + + CIM = GFE.

Oops, I forgot to define it in detail but yes, that`s what I meant by GFE (at least the DFK and part).

I agree with you guys regarding the importance of the overall experience. Even when there was CBJ and no DFK, the chemistry was great and the safe sex aspect of it didn`t bother me at all. The whole thing otherwise felt like I`d been with a girlfriend who was crazy about me.

 

[Firewire]

When I came in Mtl, I was first used to agencies like Fantasme where GFE is not included in basic service...but then came agencies and sps offering technical GFE service.

So it sounds like technical GFE is a relatively new thing in Mtl?

 

[bond_james_bond]

I've heard that CIM is frequently available in London, which is just as well, considering the outrageous rates they charge.

As far as GFE ... yeah, it seems to be a norm in Montreal.

Heck, even when I used to hobby in the States years ago, GFE was available most of the time. Some of my best GFE's ever, were in the States.

But of course, Montreal has it available with the most regularity and consistency.

 

[montreal_monk01]

So it sounds like technical GFE is a relatively new thing in Mtl?

My 1st experience with sping in Mtl was lil bit than 10 years ago.
At that time, it seemed that technical GFE was not as popular as it is nowadays. Then, with agencies such as Eleganza, Devilish, XXXception, XXXtase, we started to see more and more of the GFE in action.

 

[chowhound]

It seems to be getting more common in the USA, and perhaps parts of Canada where it was not common in the past. And I think we can thank the availability of internet communications such as this one. Men find out who does or doesn't offer various services, and sp's learn what men want from an sp. Providers that are known gfe providers can count on attracting business. And those that advertise gfe, but are not, are quickly exposed as frauds.

 

[montreal_monk01]

So it sounds like technical GFE is a relatively new thing in Mtl?

In 1996, When I started hobbying in Mtl, you had agencies like
Fantasme, Ferrari with no GFE (I am talking here about GFE in it`s
technical merb`s definition) girls, and others such
as Superchoix, Caroline XXX, Femmes Mature enr that had very few ladies
who would provide GFE services.
It`s later on that I started experiencing more GFE in action with ladies from newer
agencies such as XXXception, XXXtase, Devilish ..etc
My real first ``all inclusive`` agency was actually XXXception (now closed):
not only the girls they used to send me were technically fully GFE (, DFK...etc),
but they were also hot young lookers.
Nowadays, GFE in Mtl depends on the agency and the girls as well:
Fantasme, Ferrari and some other agencies do not provide GFE by default.
At Devilish, XXXtase, Eleganza, Excentrix, a good percentage of their girls are GFE.

 

[picasso]

There is a good reason why

Montreal, Germany, Buenos Aires, Brazil are considered the top destinations for hobbying. Guess what? It's because GFE service is offered. So to answer the original post of this thread, yes it is quite common. It's not something any one particular locale has a monopoly on.

 

[John Legend]

I have experienced GFE in both New York and Pennslyvania, so it does exist in the States.

 

[jackyo8193]

In Amsterdam...

It depends where you go in Europe. I know that in Amsterdam stuff is pretty hot down there lol. my 2 cents.

... in the RLD the women are known for going into an upsell mode: "For 10 Euros more, I will do this. For 25 Euros more, I will do that."

This is sometimes after you've followed all of the precautions and have negotiated up front what you are getting and for how much.

I don't know about you but this ruins the mood for me.

This is why despite the reputation it is better to avoid the Amsterdam RLD.

 

[protagoras]

Montreal, Germany, Buenos Aires, Brazil are considered the top destinations for hobbying. Guess what? It`s because GFE service is offered. So to answer the original post of this thread, yes it is quite common. It`s not something any one particular locale has a monopoly on.

I can speak of hobbying in South America, espacially in Brazil.

For me there`s aworld of difference between a GFE in Montreal and a «namoradinha» in Brazil (the equivalent term for GFE). What are these differences?

1- In Brazil, when you go out with a «namoradinha» it means that she will never watch the clock. For example, if you pay $R200 - which is more or less $CDN110 - for 2 hours for a «completo» [it includes DFK, , DATY, DIGITS, 69, MSOG...and ANAL), you can easily spend up to 3 or 4 hours with the girl if there`s is chemistry rolling between you and the girl.
It is possible to do this because most of the girl are working for themselves and are drugs free (those who I know) : there`s no pimp around and they dont expect your money to buy a rock or smoke ganja.


2- In Montreal, you can never do this because most of the girls are working for an agency. An hour is an hour. When your time is up, the phone rings in your room. This is very frustrating because there`s no possibility to feel any connection (I mean a real one) between you and the girl. It is more business like.

 

[Firewire]

Very interesting stuff, protagoras. I'll have to remember that if I ever make it down to Brazil

I agree about the clockwork in Mtl. I fully understand it's just the way things are, but nevertheless it's frustrating. I understand that in some of the special bars Paris, when you take a girl home with you, it's for the whole night (if she likes you). You're paying for girl, not the time. Would be great if there was more stuff like that elsewhere. The whole "factory line" system in Mtl, with the agency calling the girl 10 minutes before the hour is up, can be a bit irksome.

 

[picasso]

It's common in Toronto and Vancouver. I have also had it it Vegas with an Indy.

Have to disagree about gfe being common in Vancouver and Vegas. Certainly not my experience.

 

[jackyo8193]

I've done Nevada and those legal brothels don't offer anything like a GFE service, that much I can verify.

 

[robertpal]

guys definately brazil if full of gfe. man in rio you can get total night experiences with girls from like 200-300 reals or 100-150 and they will do whatever you discuss and agree to. In some northern brazil areas, it can be as little as 30-40 dollars for a whole night. In colombia, you can get similar prices too. IN europe, gfes abound in eastern europe, russia, romania, etc. In western europe, probably not.

 

[Frontenak]

What about std's?

guys definately brazil if full of gfe. man in rio you can get total night experiences with girls from like 200-300 reals or 100-150 and they will do whatever you discuss and agree to. In some northern brazil areas, it can be as little as 30-40 dollars for a whole night. In colombia, you can get similar prices too. IN europe, gfes abound in eastern europe, russia, romania, etc. In western europe, probably not.

Why in hell would anyone go down on a girl who f.... anyone for a bucky?

I dont get it?

Do you care about your health at all?

 

[robertpal]

do you really think that these hdh girls also didn't do anyone at one point in their career. i know a lot of hdh girls who started as $80 dollar for 1/2 hour girls at incalls. the same guys who use these 80 dollar incalls surely do the street hoes and the foreign hoes in brazil, mexico, etc. so the same stuff passes around. a lot of girls in colombia have less std than canada since most of them are non-pros or semi-pros. they do a few nights a week with one guy instead of an escort in montreal who does 5 guys a night for 5 nights in a row. 25 versus 3 or 4 guys(hmmm...also they only work off and on not all the time).since the money they make is a lot for them (100 dollars per night is a month's salary) so even if they do 5 nights a month that is more than enough to live well.