She's crazy if she thinks that lol. Most sex workers I've encountered were between 24 and 45... A pretty wide age range..
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Il n'y a pas de bonne prostitution
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I think you younger than me tough. Maybe 10 years younger? Its a difference. Not a "generation" but a huge difference.I already know why people don't pay for porn, I grew up with the internet too.And I know some people pay for it. I've had an OF and I know people pay for it.. Why are you trying to explain this to me?
Im not "trying to explain" (im sure you wanted to use "mansplain but refrain out of good will, wich i apreciate...i hate that word). Im just stating facts.
Im stating facts on what i see. Thats all.
And the rest being purely my opinions/guessing/discussing is just me bringing a point of view on a thread... Is that wrong? Threads exist to debate no? :/
Its just a conversion right?
No I didn't mean you were trying to "mansplain"
I don't think you have bad intentions like that. I'm not sure what our age difference is, but I think we're both millenials. I'm turning 32 in 2 weeks.
It's not wrong for you to bring your point of view, it's just that you assumed that I didn't understand why people don't pay for porn... But I do. I just think even if people have easy access to it, they should question their choices eventually, maybe... And I know it's easy not to pay for it, it's just that I think having constant free access to it does change the way people perceive things
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ouf, elle ne lâche pas le morceau, voici l'extrait le plus marquant selon moi:
''Personne ne «choisit» librement la prostitution. C’est un mythe.
On y tombe, on y est poussé, on y survit. Par la pauvreté, les dépendances, la violence, le trauma. Parce qu’on n’a plus d’autre option. Même celles qui «travaillent seules» se proxénétisent pour survivre. Ce n’est pas de la liberté, c’est de la résignation.''
No. We are fucking tired. It's not our job to educate people who do not wish to be educated on the subject. Don't put that onus on us. We are exhausted.
Ça me fait me gratter la tête, c'est quoi se "proxénétiser" entre guillemets, ça veut dire quoi ça? Eh ben.
Ça ne veut rien dire.
On est tous poussés à faire des choix pour survivre et avoir une vie meilleure, que ce soit le travail du sexe, devenir comptable, étudier en droit, être un Uber driver, vendre des brownies au pot à ses voisins, vendre des bikinis et des chapeaux en crochet sur etsy, ou avoir un channel YouTube du style Mr Beast. (lol)
Je ne trouve pas que ce soit un bon argument et nous sommes tannés de l'entendre. Ce n'est pas pertinent de connaître les raisons pour lesquelles nous avons choisi le travail du sexe. C'est aussi possible d'entrer dans cette industrie par la contrainte et y trouver des alliés et des grands avantages, voire même apprendre à bien se sentir dans ce métier.
J'aimerais bien l'obliger de regarder la télé série "Severance", dans laquelle les personnages sont des travailleurs de bureau. La plupart des gens que je connais qui ont des emplois de 9 à 5, incluant certains de mes clients, n'aiment pas leur travail ou ont des sentiments mitigés par rapport à celui ci.
Est ce que cette femme va leur dire la même chose? Est ce que cette femme va dénoncer les abus en milieu de travail "ordinaire"? (Souvent incluant du harcèlement sexuel et du bullying, pour les femmes et personnes LGBT) Est ce qu'elle parle de mauvais salaires et de manque d'accès à l'emploi pour plusieurs femmes?
Eh non! Ça ne vaut pas la peine d'écouter ça ou d'y répondre.
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Il n'y a pas "d'auto proxénétisme". Ça n'existe pas aux yeux de la loi! C'est comme l'expression "vendre son corps".. je ne vends pas mon corps lol j'offre un service. Je ne suis pas à vendre!
J'ai une entreprise. Les clients qui sont respectueux encouragent mon entreprise. C'est facile à comprendre.
Sérieux, arrêtez de partager et lire ces articles. Si vous avez peur de faire quelque chose de mal, engagez des escortes indépendantes, traitez bien vos providers, respectez les limites, essayez de demander des services sécuritaires si possible (je ne blâme pas ceux qui ne veulent pas le faire car c'est la norme ici), faites le screening et envoyez les dépôts si nécessaire, arrêtez de chialer et d'insulter les escortes en review, essayez de nous écouter et nous comprendre.
J'ai une entreprise. Les clients qui sont respectueux encouragent mon entreprise. C'est facile à comprendre.
Sérieux, arrêtez de partager et lire ces articles. Si vous avez peur de faire quelque chose de mal, engagez des escortes indépendantes, traitez bien vos providers, respectez les limites, essayez de demander des services sécuritaires si possible (je ne blâme pas ceux qui ne veulent pas le faire car c'est la norme ici), faites le screening et envoyez les dépôts si nécessaire, arrêtez de chialer et d'insulter les escortes en review, essayez de nous écouter et nous comprendre.
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Pour ce qui est de la porno gratuite, j’en consommais passablement avant de rencontrer des SP (massage erotique ou FS). Honnêtement depuis ce moment je n’en consommes plus. Je préfères de loin les rencontres en personne. Et je me suis rendu compte que mes rencontres étaient aussi beaucoup plus agréables. Et je préfères largement payer pour des rencontres que payer pour de la porno.
En ce qui a trait à la prostitution et bien pour ma part j’ai toujours traité les SP que j’ai rencontré avec le plus grand respect, respecté leur limites, leur temps, etc. Les considérer comme une personne et non comme un objet (might sound obvious mais ca blest malheureusement pas tout le monde qui penses comme ça - je ne considères pas que le fait de payer est un « now anything goes I do what I want with no regards for my partner »). Pris le temps de discuter afin de se connaître un minimum avant l’intimité et tout ça m’a toujours bien servi. Il y a des SP avec qui ça a mieux été que d’autres, call it personal connection, mais c’est normal que ça ne cliques pas de la même manière avec toutes les SP que j’ai rencontré dans les dernières années. De sentir que les SP que je rencontres sont libres de leurs choix est aussi très important pour moi…
En ce qui a trait à la prostitution et bien pour ma part j’ai toujours traité les SP que j’ai rencontré avec le plus grand respect, respecté leur limites, leur temps, etc. Les considérer comme une personne et non comme un objet (might sound obvious mais ca blest malheureusement pas tout le monde qui penses comme ça - je ne considères pas que le fait de payer est un « now anything goes I do what I want with no regards for my partner »). Pris le temps de discuter afin de se connaître un minimum avant l’intimité et tout ça m’a toujours bien servi. Il y a des SP avec qui ça a mieux été que d’autres, call it personal connection, mais c’est normal que ça ne cliques pas de la même manière avec toutes les SP que j’ai rencontré dans les dernières années. De sentir que les SP que je rencontres sont libres de leurs choix est aussi très important pour moi…
Pour moi Maria Mourani est une féministe radical qui as son point de vue unique sur l'industrie qui ne correspond pas avec la réalité .Difficile à dire si elle est coté extrême gauche (genre que tous les clients sont des agresseur qu'il faut abattre et que les sp. sont des pauvres victime d'un système patriarcale capitaliste ) Sois d'extrême droite et vois le domaine comme immoral et qu'ont dois abolir as tous pris car c'est contre les valeurs conservatrice catholique ?Mais c'est clair qu'elle défend une idéologie qui induis la populations dans un mensonges juste pour influencer l'opinion public et c'est pas la première fois que le journal de Montréal fais ça! De dire que tous les femmes commence as 13,14 ans qu'elle sont tous pimpé et qu'elle sont tous forcé as faire ça c'est du délire tant qu'as moi!
Legalisation is the only path. Sex trade is one of the oldest. It always existed and it always will.
Criminizing the trade only pushes it underground and facilitates the infiltration of the industry by criminal elements. This contributes to expose the people involved to all sorts of avoidable risks.
Once it is legalised and recognized as a legitimate source of income, it can be properly regulated like any other business and may reduce the criminal organization involvment in the business. The workers could have access to loans, pay taxes, etc. They could have access ro insurrance benefits like most employees. They could also remain indepensent. This can only benefits the workers and the clients.
It is probably the best way to reduce exploitation and trafficking since most legit businesses do not rely on such tactics to get access to human ressources to run their business. This is the business model of criminal enterprises.
Most people can't comprehend why a person chooses this line of work. This reasoning can apply to other jobs also. In my view, there is no way I would study 3 years in CEGEP to earn just a bit more than minumum wage and work as in childcare. I have my own reasons. Mostly, small kids drive me nuts and I do not unserstand the economics of the choice. I do not impose my views on others on this subject. I can understand why we need such services. I have the utermost request for the people doing this civic service.This is only 1 example.
I am sure most people also have difficulty to understand why the clients uses such services also even if they have no access to sex, physical contact or caresses. On my side, I do it to get something I want in exchange for something I have. I can get it when I want. I also feel less stressed when I am involved with a pro. I remain lucid and understand that it is all a fantasy despite sometimes getting some connection after a few encounters.
As Lunaseraphim said so eloquently earlier, life is not always playing with kittens in a field and eating fruits !
Basically, the only counter arguments are similar to "What about the children ?"
Criminizing the trade only pushes it underground and facilitates the infiltration of the industry by criminal elements. This contributes to expose the people involved to all sorts of avoidable risks.
Once it is legalised and recognized as a legitimate source of income, it can be properly regulated like any other business and may reduce the criminal organization involvment in the business. The workers could have access to loans, pay taxes, etc. They could have access ro insurrance benefits like most employees. They could also remain indepensent. This can only benefits the workers and the clients.
It is probably the best way to reduce exploitation and trafficking since most legit businesses do not rely on such tactics to get access to human ressources to run their business. This is the business model of criminal enterprises.
Most people can't comprehend why a person chooses this line of work. This reasoning can apply to other jobs also. In my view, there is no way I would study 3 years in CEGEP to earn just a bit more than minumum wage and work as in childcare. I have my own reasons. Mostly, small kids drive me nuts and I do not unserstand the economics of the choice. I do not impose my views on others on this subject. I can understand why we need such services. I have the utermost request for the people doing this civic service.This is only 1 example.
I am sure most people also have difficulty to understand why the clients uses such services also even if they have no access to sex, physical contact or caresses. On my side, I do it to get something I want in exchange for something I have. I can get it when I want. I also feel less stressed when I am involved with a pro. I remain lucid and understand that it is all a fantasy despite sometimes getting some connection after a few encounters.
As Lunaseraphim said so eloquently earlier, life is not always playing with kittens in a field and eating fruits !
Basically, the only counter arguments are similar to "What about the children ?"
Funny cuz being a client taught me the same thing! lol
I don't personally think sex work should be legalized, I think it should be decriminalized because we don't want the government involved in it.
This article describes it well
A much more interesting read than the Mourani BS.
Like I said last year I don't think sex work should be romanticized and glorified, but I think there should be more nuanced points of view in the media. We need to hear about the good and bad experiences of sex workers, what sex work brought to their life and what they think should change about the industry.. We also need to hear from clients who really enjoy seeing sex workers and get something different out of it..
I've had bad experiences when I started escorting but this job brought a lot of positive things to my life.
I have a lot more freedom now, I meet a lot of interesting people, I've learned how to feel a lot more comfortable with my own body, I feel a lot more confident, I'm a lot more organized than I used to be, I communicate a lot better.. In my personal life I can apply everything I've learned so far through sex work, and it's honestly been great.
Yes I think as clients, it's important to learn about the realities of sex workers and to listen. Yes sometimes I talk about negative experiences, but overall really often I feel like clients make a really big effort to be respectful and to pay attention
I also think as clients it's important to have good boundaries with yourself and to make the right choices
I don’t see it as a big effort. From my pov, it’s something natural cause they want to please as I do. Therefore, there are great chances it will get back to you (be pleased). This put some magic in every session.but overall really often I feel like clients make a really big effort to be respectful and to pay attention
Do you guys know why my ex girlfriend was pissed when she found out I was seeing escort while with her?
Because, she said, all that time I could have been paid!!!
Because, she said, all that time I could have been paid!!!
Yup. And we can all have negative experiences at work. It doesn’t mean that we need to quit. Everyone always complains about their job. Have to earn a living.Yes I think as clients, it's important to learn about the realities of sex workers and to listen. Yes sometimes I talk about negative experiences, but overall really often I feel like clients make a really big effort to be respectful and to pay attention
I also think as clients it's important to have good boundaries with yourself and to make the right choices
She is probably coming at the subject with a lot of religion-infused morality, so no its not all rationality. She is a Christian Lebanese and they can be very conservative about stuff in my experience.
