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So much propaganda...
I agree with jailmon that prostitution should be legalized (will of the peoples and all of that)...
But... that being said I believe that prostitution should only be legal for men and women over the age of 23.
I do not believe that anyone under the age of 23-24 truly understands this business.
I agree with jailmon that prostitution should be legalized (will of the peoples and all of that)...
But... that being said I believe that prostitution should only be legal for men and women over the age of 23.
I do not believe that anyone under the age of 23-24 truly understands this business.
Considering how agencies always "lie" on the age of the providers, it would be hell to apply. Adults are adults, im one of those guy that believe everything should be alright at 18 and find the law in the states pretty dumb that to drink you have to be 21, but you can enroll yourself and kill people at 18... lol.
I like the concept 
Gave me the idea for my new website... "GenX-Date"
On 80% of the male profiles under "income" it displays the much more realistic "Income minus Alimony"
and on the remaining 20% under "Hobbies" it simply contains the following link......... http://www.escortsxo.com/today/
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Gave me the idea for my new website... "GenX-Date"
On 80% of the male profiles under "income" it displays the much more realistic "Income minus Alimony"
and on the remaining 20% under "Hobbies" it simply contains the following link......... http://www.escortsxo.com/today/
ound: Be carefull with your suggestion, because you are going to raise your lots of protestations. I said, many years ago on Merb, my idea of the perfect timing would be that women should be 25 years old at minimum before entering that kind of activity, for the reason to permit themselves to develop plenty there own sexuality based only on their own desires, and to be also confident more in themselves then. And be more prudent. We know young people are sometimes just a bit too much adventurous and learn the hard ways.
We all did. Escorting needs to be done wisely, not by impulses.
This said, of course, there are many young ladies who had lived hard time and they become older and more mature and prudent in their minds that the majority of their ages. Because they already learn the hard ways. We can say it's a case by case things, but it will stay just an hopeful dreamed wish. Life is NOT perfect.
And to be back to the topic, I think that kind of reverse-psy-advertising is kinda intelligent, but not really working. Just look at the SAAQ ads against bad behaviours while driving? I know they want to raise horror emotions to print the idea, and to let believe that an ordinary hobbyst has something to do with the murder, to make them guilty. That's a sophism. Because we could then make all the men responsible for the rape, attack and murder of all the women made by other men on the planet then if we follow that logic.
It is common for a business or an industry to argue for eliminating certain sources of competition from the marketplace. Of course, the reason given is never for self-interest but always for the good of the potential competitor or the consumer.
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See, exactly what I just mention in my post.ound: AND I did take the time to mention that I DID suggest that in the past, not presently. hahaha
And warning you to be careful, made me have the protestations to MY name.... hahaha
See, exactly what I just mention in my post.
ound: AND I did take the time to mention that I DID suggest that in the past, not presently. hahaha And warning you to be careful, made me have the protestations to MY name.... hahaha
It is common for a business or an industry to argue for eliminating certain sources of competition from the marketplace. Of course, the reason given is never for self-interest but always for the good of the potential competitor or the consumer.
Oh well, Patron, you size perfectly what could make escorting for someone older, much much harder.
And I would had, the more the kids are getting older, and are intelligent/conscient, the more it's difficult.
Don't worry, I got that idea of a "minimal age" around my beginning, when I was still having all my innocence intact and believing that each of us without any exception, was having a heart.
I still want a better world, but I keep it to an "affordable" check-reality level. :smile:
And note that I was just replying to bikone, extensively I convince, but that was just a simple (long) reply
And I would had, the more the kids are getting older, and are intelligent/conscient, the more it's difficult.
Don't worry, I got that idea of a "minimal age" around my beginning, when I was still having all my innocence intact and believing that each of us without any exception, was having a heart.
I still want a better world, but I keep it to an "affordable" check-reality level. :smile:
And note that I was just replying to bikone, extensively I convince, but that was just a simple (long) reply
If it's a good idea for there to be a minimum age to work as an escort, would it not also be a good idea for there to be a maximum age for escorts (perhaps it should be twice the proposed minimum age of 25, so 50 would be the maximum age). Of course, the maximum age would be for the good of the escorts. Escorting is a stressful, physically and emotionally challenging profession and beyond a certain age women should just not do that kind of work.
I think the state could pass a number of other laws and regulations to improve the working lives of escorts. Obviously it's not safe for escorts to work in an unsafe environment such as a hotel room or a home (either their own or that of a client). The government doesn't allow most other businesses to operate out of a hotel room or home so it shouldn't allow a dangerous business like escorting to do so. The government should establish state-owned and operated brothels that would ensure safe working environments for escorts and their clients. In Quebec, the sale of most kinds of alcohol is only allowed in government owned and operated SAQ stores. It's perfectly logical that sex should be sold only in the same kind of safe, regulated environment.
Furthermore, the state should establish a rating system for escorts. There is a government sanctioned system for grading maple syrup so why shouldn't there be a similar government rating system for escorts? The government could even use the same grades since people are already familiar with them: AA, A, B, C and D. Such a rating system would protect the interests of both escorts and their clients. Wouldn't such a government system be much better than the chaotic, unregulated and untrustworthy ratings that are found on escort review sites such as MERB?
We also need a government licensing system for escorts. The way things work now, any woman of legal age (18) can call herself an escort! Can you believe that!? Escorting is a profession that requires high standards of physical attractiveness, intellectual and emotional intelligence and the ability to perform strenuous physical activity. The licensing standards could be set by a government sanctioned professional association of escorts. Once the standards were set, escorts could apply for a government license (at a minimum cost of $1000 or so) to practice the profession of escorting. The number of licenses granted would be set at a reasonable number of a few hundred per year in a city such as Montreal.
Does anyone else have any great ideas on how the government can improve the business of escorting for both escorts and their clients? :lol:
I think the state could pass a number of other laws and regulations to improve the working lives of escorts. Obviously it's not safe for escorts to work in an unsafe environment such as a hotel room or a home (either their own or that of a client). The government doesn't allow most other businesses to operate out of a hotel room or home so it shouldn't allow a dangerous business like escorting to do so. The government should establish state-owned and operated brothels that would ensure safe working environments for escorts and their clients. In Quebec, the sale of most kinds of alcohol is only allowed in government owned and operated SAQ stores. It's perfectly logical that sex should be sold only in the same kind of safe, regulated environment.
Furthermore, the state should establish a rating system for escorts. There is a government sanctioned system for grading maple syrup so why shouldn't there be a similar government rating system for escorts? The government could even use the same grades since people are already familiar with them: AA, A, B, C and D. Such a rating system would protect the interests of both escorts and their clients. Wouldn't such a government system be much better than the chaotic, unregulated and untrustworthy ratings that are found on escort review sites such as MERB?
We also need a government licensing system for escorts. The way things work now, any woman of legal age (18) can call herself an escort! Can you believe that!? Escorting is a profession that requires high standards of physical attractiveness, intellectual and emotional intelligence and the ability to perform strenuous physical activity. The licensing standards could be set by a government sanctioned professional association of escorts. Once the standards were set, escorts could apply for a government license (at a minimum cost of $1000 or so) to practice the profession of escorting. The number of licenses granted would be set at a reasonable number of a few hundred per year in a city such as Montreal.
Does anyone else have any great ideas on how the government can improve the business of escorting for both escorts and their clients? :lol:
I agree 100%. Speaking of Germany, wasn't there an hotel (more like brothel) there where you pay like 150$ and can fuck as much as you want, all night, with multiple girls?
Before C-36, we had some laws to prevent and stop coercion and brutality between people, but it seems the law before wasn't enough strong to stop those who do it on Sp's?
I am one who truly believe apart that, that what is happening between 2 major consenting adults privately is not the business of someone else. Period.
Now, we can debate/expose your ideas about what is a real consentement or not, if you dare.
Because that was always where people realize one thing or two. Maybe three. :kiss:
I am one who truly believe apart that, that what is happening between 2 major consenting adults privately is not the business of someone else. Period.
Now, we can debate/expose your ideas about what is a real consentement or not, if you dare.
Because that was always where people realize one thing or two. Maybe three. :kiss:
The new law gives no additional power to LE. They had and still have all that is needed to fight brutality against sex workers. About consent, it's hard to beat something like money accepted. There is no ambiguity about consent there. As far as consent to do specific acts during the relation, the right to say no prevails over anything else. Sex workers have the same rights as anybody else.
Patron, based on this post and others that you have made, your position seems to be that you don't trust the government to decriminalize prostitution because you don't trust the government to leave the industry mostly unregulated after decriminalizing it. You seem to prefer the status quo where prostitution is criminalized (either for prostitutes, clients or both) but law enforcement either can't or won't enforce the law. In other words, as long as you and the escorts you see can easily evade being arrested, then you are happy and you don't want anything to change. You fear that decriminalization would inevitably lead to full legalization which to you means heavy-handed regulation. You cite the example of heavily regulated Nevada brothels as the inevitable result of legalization.
I understand what you're saying and I agree that the status quo is preferable to having a very heavily regulated industry (as described in my tongue-in-cheek "proposal" in my post below).
However, I still think it's possible and desirable to decriminalize prostitution and not have it lead inevitably to overly stringent regulation. I think legal prostitution works pretty well in countries like Germany, Australia and New Zealand, Switzerland and Austria. In those countries and a few others, prostitution is fully decriminalized for both prostitutes and clients and the laws and regulations that apply to it are much more benign than those in Nevada.
Keep in mind that criminalizing any aspect of prostitution (for the prostitute, the client or both) always makes sex work more dangerous and difficult for the sex worker and the client. Prostitution always involves two parties and if one or both are breaking the law when they engage in the activity, then the activity is driven more underground.
When you say that "No business is 'decriminalized' in North America," that's not true. You really mean that no business operates without some degree of regulation. But most businesses are not classified as crimes, per se (i.e, in itself). It's not a crime per se (except in North Korea and Cuba) to sell food or clothes, to give someone a haircut for money, provide medical care for a fee or fix someone's car for money. Nor is it a crime to pay for those services (except in North Korea or Cuba). But when prostitution itself is criminalized for one or both of the parties involved it inevitably increases the frequency of the potential bad consequences of prostitution (violence against prostitutes, reluctance to report crimes against prostitutes, underage girls, arrests of otherwise law-abiding citizens with negative impacts on families and careers, etc.)
So I am definitely in favor of the full decriminalization of prostitution. I realize that such decriminalization would be accompanied by some degree of regulation, but I think it's possible to keep the amount of regulation to a minimum. I don't agree that it's better to keep the status quo in Canada and the U.S.. When there are laws on the books that some people can safely ignore but others cannot, that is an unjust situation and it undermines the rule of law for everyone.
Maria, what specifically do you mean by "real consent?" It sounds like a version of this:
Sexual Consent Form Video
C-36 has put escorts more at risk.
Because it's now illegal to buy sex, clients are more inclined to hide their identities and try to meet escorts in more clandestine settings. C-36 encourages the move of paid sex into the shadows. That's bad for escorts because it's harder for them to vet clients before they meet them.
The real intent of the radical feminists and religious conservatives who banded together to pass C-36 is to abolish prostitution. They want to scare all clients away from the business. Of course there is no way to fully accomplish that, but they feel good about sending some clients to prison and taking away the livelihood of lots of escorts. Do they care what happens to you when you lose your livelihood because there are fewer or no clients? Definitely not!
Call it what you will.
"Obtaining for consideration"=buying. "Obtaining for consideration" just broadens the definition to include transactions other than straight cash or financial transactions such as trading something of value for sex. If you don't think it's illegal to buy sex in Canada, then try offering cash to an undercover cop posing as a streetwalker or a Backpage escort. Let us know how that works out.
Canada's new prostitution laws: Everything you need to know
Josh Wingrove
The Globe and Mail
Tuesday, Jul. 15, 2014 10:43AM EDT
..Here’s a glance at what the government is proposing, and what critics say about the changes.
1. Going after the buyers
The bill criminalizes the buying of sex – or “obtain[ing] for consideration… the sexual services of a person.” The penalties include jail time – up to five years in some cases – and minimum cash fines that go up after a first offence.
I agree that there are few or no businesses that operate completely free of regulation. But the word "decriminalized" does not have the same meaning as "unregulated." To decriminalize prostitution means that the act of paying for sex is not per se illegal, just as the act of paying for a glass of lemonade is not per se illegal. There are very few commercial transactions that are defined by the law as per se criminal. Prostitution is one of them and I don't think it should be defined as such. However, I'm not optimistic that decriminalizing prostitution will happen anytime soon in either Canada or the U.S.
This is an extreme example. While it's probably true that U.S. race discrimination laws would theoretically prohibit a brothel from refusing entrance to a client based on race, I don't agree that race discrimination laws would force an escort to service a client whom she did not want to service. i think the courts could find a way to interpret the laws to not require escorts to service any and all clients. And escorts could easily find a neutral reason to avoid servicing clients they don't want to ("Sorry but your penis is too big for me."
)There is no such thing as the "legal situation in Europe." There is only the legal situation in individual countries. In France and Sweden it is fucked up, as you say, but in Germany, Switzerland and Austria things work fine. You have visited FKKs in Germany, haven't you? In general, I think they're great. What do you find objectionable about them? What about other places where prostitution is decriminalized and lightly regulated like Brazil and Colombia. I have never been to those places, but I have read interesting reports about them on MERB.
I agree that in hindsight the Bedford case consequences did not work out well for escorts and their clients. But I agree with the principles underlying the decision of the Bedford case.
True, Canadians have in the past been less hung up than Americans about commercial sex, but that is unfortunately changing. It was Canada that passed a nationwide Nordic model law before any U.S. states did. True, it's generally not enforced in Montreal but it has been enforced in other parts of Canada. And don't take for granted the present enforcement regime in Montreal. If radical feminists get their way, there could one day be a brutal crackdown on the escort industry in Montreal. It could happen sooner than anyone here imagines.
You and I will have to agree to disagree on this subject. I acknowledge that there is little chance that we will see decriminalization of prostitution in Canada or states in the U.S. But my belief in decriminalization is not based on a purely practical assessment of the matter. My belief in decriminalization is based on my belief in the principles of liberty enshrined in documents such as the Bill of Rights of the U.S. Constitution and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Liberty is not a right that is granted to citizens by a government. As Judge Andrew Napolitano wrote in a column this week at Reason.com, liberty is our natural right.
What if the Declaration of Independence states that the purpose of government is to protect our natural rights? What if natural rights are the freedoms we enjoy without neighbors or strangers or government interfering? What if those freedoms are listed in part in the Bill of Rights? What if the government is supposed to keep its hands off those freedoms because they are ours, we have not surrendered them and we have hired the government to protect them?
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