Is DATY & BBBJ are safe ?
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Well it need to be nuanced a little bit here especially for HIV.
According to the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), they describe the risk as "little to no" or "extremely low" especially when no blood, open sores, or very high viral load is involved.
But let's see OP or his friend safety concern.
About STI Risk and Oral Sex
Provides basic information about STD Risk and Oral Sex, including prevention and testing.
www.cdc.gov
Is crossing a street safe? You can be hit by a car or a truck and be severely harmed.
100% safety never exist.
For sure it is riskier to smoke cigarette. Lung or throat cancer are common in those cases.
100% safety never exist.
For sure it is riskier to smoke cigarette. Lung or throat cancer are common in those cases.
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You're a lot more likely to contract a STI by getting GFE or PSE service from a service provider than getting hit by a truck... Let's be real here. I feel like people downplay these risks a lot. I'm not saying this to ruin anyone's fun, just to say get tested more often and be aware of these risks. Most STI's have no symptoms.. Obviously most of them are easily curable and not deadly, but you don't want to pass it on to anyone.
I had an STI scare in 2024, not from a client but from a guy I was seeing who had hooked up with someone before I met him. I didn't have it but it made me realize it's pretty easy to get it.. at the time a few of my friends confided they had one before in their party days, they also didn't think they could get it from oral sex..
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I personally know of an highly sought after girl that got a throat gonnorhea last fall.
how do i know? The agency was on it, and they contacted me and all the recent clients she had been with to let them know
Not a fun text to get
I went to get tested and I was negative
how do i know? The agency was on it, and they contacted me and all the recent clients she had been with to let them know
Not a fun text to get
I went to get tested and I was negative
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1) Stop hiding your head in the sand.
Safe: no. Odds are that if ou do not use a hat, you will get one or more STD eventually. Pretending otherwise is just wanting to deny reality. Some activities are more risky, and some bugs are nastier than others, and some are more treatable. But none are particularly fun.
2) Get your information from real sources:
Transmission info:
www.canada.ca
www.quebec.ca
3) Treatment guidelines:
Safe: no. Odds are that if ou do not use a hat, you will get one or more STD eventually. Pretending otherwise is just wanting to deny reality. Some activities are more risky, and some bugs are nastier than others, and some are more treatable. But none are particularly fun.
2) Get your information from real sources:
Transmission info:
STBBI prevention guide: Primary and secondary prevention - Canada.ca
Practices for the prevention and management of sexually transmitted and blood-borne infections (STBBI) by healthcare professionals.
Transmission of sexually transmitted and blood-borne infections (STBBIs)
Find out how STBBIs are transmitted (sexual contact, tattooing, piercing, from a pregnant person to their baby) and how to avoid transmission.
www.quebec.ca
3) Treatment guidelines:
Is it "safe" as in "safe sex"?. No, because a barrier (condom or dental dam) is not used. What are the actual, measured, risks? No one really knows. Why? Because it's hard to study a large group of people who have only unprotected oral sex and no other sexual activities. I have personally researched this topic for many hours in the medical literature and I have a PhD in a scientific discipline. Here are a few points of interest:
- For HIV the risk of transmission during oral sex is extremely low, but not zero. A few studies in homosexual men have shown a measurable risk of acquisition for the person performing the blowjob, but never for the person receiving it (I.e. saliva does not transmit HIV. This is a solid scientific fact). Many sources say that poor oral hygiene and/or bleeding gums increase the risk of getting an STI through the mouth, but this has never been studied rigorously,to my knowledge.
- Regarding throat gonorrhea, according to a discussion I had with a nurse specializing in sexual health (remember my point in bold above) the most common mode of transmission is from the penis to the throat, rather that the opposite. Acquisition while performimg cunnilingus is theoretically possible, but unlikely, given that contact with the vaginal mucosa is only superficial. Worth noting that throat gonorrhea, like all STI, often has no symptoms (see last point below)
- The transmission of STIs through cunnilingus (in isolation) has almost never been studied, and the only study I remember was small and in lesbian couples. Again, after discussion with more than one professional, I have been told that this was a relatively low risk activity. The risk is probably higher for the woman, not necessarily in terms of STI per se, but rather for bacterial vaginosis, which is a pathological alteration of the vaginal microbiota.
- Go get tested frequently. The frequency of tests should be determined by consultation with a medical professional. Once a year is the minimum and definitely more often if you have unprotected intercourse (which I personally don't have)
- As always, absolutely no AI was used in creating this post.
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If you see service providers frequently, you should get tested far more often than once a year, to protect us and to protect you. Someone mentioned one girl getting an STI as if it's rare. It's not that rare because we have to offer unsafe services.
Daty and bbbj count as risky services. It's not just bareback sex. Besides, condoms are not 100 percent at protecting both parties from an infection. Some guys don't know how to remove, and specially with new girls some bad clients will try to take it off.
Another story just because I want it to sink in. Last year, I saw a new client who asked to only have protected services with me. He had only seen me and another provider 3 months earlier, who was very very popular last year. 2 weeks after I saw him, he started harassing me, telling me he thought I had gonorrhea because he had to be rushed to the hospital due to an infection on his dick and ''I gave it to him''. I told him I had just gotten tested and my tests were negative, and that it was impossible he got something. I got tested again 2 weeks later and sent him the negative results, he couldn't believe it had to be this other very popular provider who could have given it to him, but it clearly was. It's lucky he asked for safe services with me, because I could have caught it from him.
I also don't think it's that other provider's fault if she got one. The fact is that some people here think if you don't have bareback intercourse the chances are extremely low, comparable to getting hit by a car, so they don't get tested, and they risk spreading diseases from a provider to another.. If you see SP you should get tested a lot more often than twice a year. If you get gonorrhea on your dick you may not have symptoms until way later, and waiting until you have symptoms means you may have spread it to a bunch of other SP during those 6 months. We all get tested once a month, sometimes I get tested twice a month even but that doesn't mean I could never get anything. I'd like it if clients did their part.
I made a post last year when that happened because I was really really pissed, and the discussion didn't exactly happen how I wanted it to happen.. But this is the occasion to bring it back. Also, don't ask for sexual health advice here. Nobody here is a doctor. Go to a sexual health clinic and ask your questions there. Not here.
Daty and bbbj count as risky services. It's not just bareback sex. Besides, condoms are not 100 percent at protecting both parties from an infection. Some guys don't know how to remove, and specially with new girls some bad clients will try to take it off.
Another story just because I want it to sink in. Last year, I saw a new client who asked to only have protected services with me. He had only seen me and another provider 3 months earlier, who was very very popular last year. 2 weeks after I saw him, he started harassing me, telling me he thought I had gonorrhea because he had to be rushed to the hospital due to an infection on his dick and ''I gave it to him''. I told him I had just gotten tested and my tests were negative, and that it was impossible he got something. I got tested again 2 weeks later and sent him the negative results, he couldn't believe it had to be this other very popular provider who could have given it to him, but it clearly was. It's lucky he asked for safe services with me, because I could have caught it from him.
I also don't think it's that other provider's fault if she got one. The fact is that some people here think if you don't have bareback intercourse the chances are extremely low, comparable to getting hit by a car, so they don't get tested, and they risk spreading diseases from a provider to another.. If you see SP you should get tested a lot more often than twice a year. If you get gonorrhea on your dick you may not have symptoms until way later, and waiting until you have symptoms means you may have spread it to a bunch of other SP during those 6 months. We all get tested once a month, sometimes I get tested twice a month even but that doesn't mean I could never get anything. I'd like it if clients did their part.
I made a post last year when that happened because I was really really pissed, and the discussion didn't exactly happen how I wanted it to happen.. But this is the occasion to bring it back. Also, don't ask for sexual health advice here. Nobody here is a doctor. Go to a sexual health clinic and ask your questions there. Not here.
He got a CBJ from you. He got a BBBJ from someone else (orders of magnitude higher risk) and then blamed you. Clearly he doesn't understand statistics. The 3 month incubation period seems very long, but it's not impossible. Another mistake that people make is that they will intuitively believe that because it is someome "they trust", they don't have to use a condom, and that if they get an STI, it couldn't be coming from them. Your client might as well have had a "civilian" unprotected encounter with someome else 1 month before you and reflexively blamed the sex worker for the STI.
He either got a bbbj from her or saw a civilian, who knows. It's not that the incubation period was that long. He just didn't get tested until he started having symptoms. He accused me of giving it to her because I had saliva on my hand when I started giving him a HJ..
Chlamydia and gonorrhea in the throat is hard to get, that's what my nurse told me when I had that scare, but it's not impossible, particularly if you deep throat someone.. but even with daty you could get something. What I was told is that contrarily to getting a STI on the genitals at least chlamydia in your throat usually clears up on its own, but if you got it and keep giving daty you might pass it on to someone...
Some activities are riskier than others, bbbj becomes more risky if you deepthroat or offer cimsw. I do these things sometimes because I like it and clients are into it but I'm still concerned. Two of three months ago somebody told me a client warned her there was a rumor of a gonorrhea outbreak in providers who offer it. It really freaked me out, to the point that I've started considering taking it off the menu
Finding out that clients only get tested once or twice a year is deeply concerning on that context. It's fine if you are interested in unsafe services and personally I hate CBJ, but please at least take the responsibility of getting tested on a regular basis...
I'll give an example of why it's not that unlikely for a SP to get an STI from BBBJ or Daty. The percentage is low, but suppose there's an outbreak and you see 10 clients who have an infection, one out of 10 could give it to you. Also if your regular is infected you could maybe not get it 9 out of 10 times but then you will that one other time.
Same thing for you.. if you give daty to someone who's infected maybe there's a 10 percent chance you'll get it but 10 percent is not negligible specially if you see SP really often
Same thing for you.. if you give daty to someone who's infected maybe there's a 10 percent chance you'll get it but 10 percent is not negligible specially if you see SP really often
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