You make good points... But with so many scam artists that is not good enough for me. Show me the service then I show the money. I always pay... What if the girl and it has already happened to me once she says she will do DFK once she got the money she changed stories. And I read on a weekly basis bad reviews here on Merb about Backpage girls. What protection do we as clients have besides Merb? Seems there is more scam then in the past. I can handle counting it and putting it on a desk... But if she takes it and puts it in her pockets then no way that will happen with me. On Merb the girls got a reputation... But from Backpage we dunno who we are dealing with and the same goes for you if you take a client from a Backpage ad. We reached an impasse. Since there is an impasse I will never deal with a girl from Backpage or book a stripper that has not at least given me DFK in the booths.
"It's Extra for DATY."...Really?
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You make good points... But with so many scam artists that is not good enough for me. Show me the service then I show the money. I always pay... What if the girl and it has already happened to me once she says she will do DFK once she got the money she changed stories. And I read on a weekly basis bad reviews here on Merb about Backpage girls. What protection do we as clients have besides Merb? Seems there is more scam then in the past. I can handle counting it and putting it on a desk... But if she takes it and puts it in her pockets then no way that will happen with me. On Merb the girls got a reputation... But from Backpage we dunno who we are dealing with and the same goes for you if you take a client from a Backpage ad. We reached an impasse. Since there is an impasse I will never deal with a girl from Backpage or book a stripper that has not at least given me DFK in the booths.
I agree that you are and I am a smart client
P.S.: I have already meet you and already took a lapdance with you once and had a great time and you got reputation that confirms your honesty and excellent service... I would not hesitate to pay you upfront. But a girl I do not know from Backpage or a stripper I do not know much... Not going to happen. Lol
Yep that is what I said in one of my posts. Many girls are using GFE as a marketing ploy to get more calls. You are honest but in this business honest girls are rare.
Yep for spine. Looool Really quiet pathetic and why the girls keep on doing it.
I was lucky enough once that a guy didn't pay me at a club (his friend supposedly had the money and spent it all on another girl) but I ended up getting my money from another Guy... In fact the bouncer didn't let them leave until a friend of them came over with the money LOL... The dudes were embarassed... The friend wasnt impressed either.
Anyone from western Canada or the US would love to have the "problems" of Montreal customers.
I do also stick to MERB and agencys, because I know I will have a grate GFE service most of the time.
But sometimes I see some nice looking girls that advertising closer to my places that I want to know if we can have chimistry and long therm incounter. But When they advertise as GFE and they do not offer half of the expected services (because they started on their own and they don't even know what services it inclueds).
I am the oposite from you... Far from beying a rich person but, I like to watch a good movie once every 2 months and I prefer to keep my money to encounter SPs 2 to 3 times a week when I am in the Montreal area.
Steve
Yes that is true and when I first started going to the clubs when I was 18yr old I was kind of like that... But now that just does not work with me anymore. Girls try but I just pay them what I took and walk away. Most of the times the girls do nothing and they know that. Les Amazones has become place where girls regularly overcharged. I took two dances and she said it was $40. First off she was high as a kite and the dances sucked. I just handed her a $20 and left. She did nothing even though the bouncer was nearby.
Very true and it makes sense if there is any doubt in her mind about payment. Also I usually count each song with the girl. I have seen some bouncers back in the day beat clients up but they get criminal charges for assault and battery and using excessive force. In case of a random Backpage escort or a stripper I do not know much once I pay her she can do whatever she wants and change stories no DFK or BBBJ. I cannot do anything to get my money back. Once she got it is too late.
With good reason as the clients are the one bringing in the revenue. They pay the cover charge and buy drinks. The cash from the dances does not go to the club. Girls overcharging ruin it for the other girls because then clients stop going to the club or sometimes are much more resistant to buy dances. These girls do not think long term they just think to get the quick cash as fast as possible but at the end they are hurting all the girls and the club. No club wants overchargers they give the club a bad rep with the exception of Super Sexe. They were crooks and they encouraged their strippers to overcharge. I noticed that certain club have a major problem with overcharging while other clubs I never had those issues. I do not think that is coincidence. Guys need to grow a spine and not let these girls walk all over them and to complain to the managers. Problematic girls get booted out for sure.
This discussion has moved around quite a bit, but I take the original question of a provider who advertises full GFE (in a city with a well developed scene where that term has a fairly specific meaning) but then charges extra for DATY.
I would refuse to book such a prover if I learned about it in advance and if I didn't discover it until the session, I would consider it to be bait and switch. To be crystal clear - it matters very much what a provider says on the ad. Of she advertises gfe and ALSO states that DATY is extra then she is being honest and that is ok. Personally I find it to be a patently ridiculous and I would book her because I want a different service, but it is not dishonest or misleading. However, if her ad only says gfe with no mention of what costs extra and she only discloses thar DATY is extra during a phone call or in the session, I consider that to be false advertising .
Providers are free to offer any service they want and have any restriction they want. However, advertising should be honest. If a provider wants to be vague about services in order to maintain YMMV, then she should not write an ad that uses a term that nearly every customer assumes includes a service that she will always charge extra for.
Guys need to be clean and polite; girls should clear and honest.
I would refuse to book such a prover if I learned about it in advance and if I didn't discover it until the session, I would consider it to be bait and switch. To be crystal clear - it matters very much what a provider says on the ad. Of she advertises gfe and ALSO states that DATY is extra then she is being honest and that is ok. Personally I find it to be a patently ridiculous and I would book her because I want a different service, but it is not dishonest or misleading. However, if her ad only says gfe with no mention of what costs extra and she only discloses thar DATY is extra during a phone call or in the session, I consider that to be false advertising .
Providers are free to offer any service they want and have any restriction they want. However, advertising should be honest. If a provider wants to be vague about services in order to maintain YMMV, then she should not write an ad that uses a term that nearly every customer assumes includes a service that she will always charge extra for.
Guys need to be clean and polite; girls should clear and honest.
Are you saying that not advertising specific services is misleading ? Some girls just don't like to write it in the ad for logical reasons... as long as you know before booking the girl I think it's fair.
Btw - when I first started I would say GFE even though I was a safe play provider back then because I knew it meant girlfriend experience but I had no idea what it really included. I just thought being sweet and horny was GFE lol. I was like "Not all girlfriends do this or that" so really thought it had to do with attitude mostly. But after like less than 10 clients I got it and started saying safe gfe or safe play instead.
So there is a possibility that some rookie girls just do not know. But I agree that in most cases they do know. Lol it's all about being honest !
Btw - when I first started I would say GFE even though I was a safe play provider back then because I knew it meant girlfriend experience but I had no idea what it really included. I just thought being sweet and horny was GFE lol. I was like "Not all girlfriends do this or that" so really thought it had to do with attitude mostly. But after like less than 10 clients I got it and started saying safe gfe or safe play instead.
So there is a possibility that some rookie girls just do not know. But I agree that in most cases they do know. Lol it's all about being honest !
haha you make me smile Julia. The original post is really meant to indies, meaning the one who do not advertise here and who are not in agency. It's 2 different world.
The real indy world is an absolute jungle where the girls can do whatever they want. Provide good service (a rarety), scam, steal, lie and/or provide good service but only for clients she likes and/or client she know will keep returning. Still with me? Probably not. And if you read this and your lost or do not agree, keep with real indy that advertise here or agency.
Cheers,
p.s. Julia you are right we should rename GFE for GFETYGFEDNPA which stands for "Girl Friend Experience that your girl friend do no provide anymore"
The real indy world is an absolute jungle where the girls can do whatever they want. Provide good service (a rarety), scam, steal, lie and/or provide good service but only for clients she likes and/or client she know will keep returning. Still with me? Probably not. And if you read this and your lost or do not agree, keep with real indy that advertise here or agency.
Cheers,
p.s. Julia you are right we should rename GFE for GFETYGFEDNPA which stands for "Girl Friend Experience that your girl friend do no provide anymore"
I used to joke that when I first heard of GFE I thought that I would walk in the room and the girl would start asking me "where have I been and why didn't I call". lol I have to say that most of the SP's that I've seen have been far better than most of my ex-girlfriends!
That’s true most of the time, but there are exceptions. One time several years ago I was “occasionally” seeing a Russian SP for GFE++ and kink sessions. At one point she somehow found out that I was seeing someone else. She went completely haywire. She sent me numerous emails where it was clear that she was very upset. She was NOT my girlfriend. She’s since moved to Europe, so thankfully the emails stopped. I still don’t know to this day how she found out...?
When in a club i think every normal guy should expect to get the hard treatment if not paying. I myself rather pay pay songs right away and tell her to stop when money has been used... Now that being said not every stripper is honest just as some escorts are not (and clients too). Im pretty much done with strip clubs personally but the thing i would had hate is the girl keep going even if my money is over. I do try to count the dances in my head but sometimes when she do her job right (lol) and you don't know those pop/dance/crappy strip club songs then its harder... I am a metalhead... i never heard those songs outside strip clubs duh... lol.
Thanksfully in my SC "career" i was lucky to get honest girls. I think it showed i was a nice guy willing to have a good time and paying them right. Im always genuine and so far its been something that help me and not play against me. But im smart too, i would always pay for 2 dances first usually, then if she was good another 2 pulling out my wallet, it would be hard to fool me anyway... They key with stripper is saying ill pay in advance !! That way she is sure she get money and you are sure you don't go over your budget. Only a scammer would refuse such arrengement.
As for a money thing with escorts, i don't have problem with showing it, if the escorts count it in front of me its a bit turn off to a degree but i can live with that if its our first time together (never dealt with her, a friend of her, or the agency) but the money MUST stay in a place where i have just as acces to it as her. No putting it in your purse cause from there it would be impossible for me to get it back.
I know its kinda futile saying so cause i almost never deal with backpage, and i trust the agencies i used, and in counterpart my reputation on merb does help me (agencies knows i won't pull a fuck and and run) but im just saying with an unknown BP girl, NEVER would i let her bank up the cash before the meeting happen. Oh no !! If im dealing with Jasmine, Sam, James(not forgetting you budy) or the many Mikes, thats a different story obviously)
Thanksfully in my SC "career" i was lucky to get honest girls. I think it showed i was a nice guy willing to have a good time and paying them right. Im always genuine and so far its been something that help me and not play against me. But im smart too, i would always pay for 2 dances first usually, then if she was good another 2 pulling out my wallet, it would be hard to fool me anyway... They key with stripper is saying ill pay in advance !! That way she is sure she get money and you are sure you don't go over your budget. Only a scammer would refuse such arrengement.
As for a money thing with escorts, i don't have problem with showing it, if the escorts count it in front of me its a bit turn off to a degree but i can live with that if its our first time together (never dealt with her, a friend of her, or the agency) but the money MUST stay in a place where i have just as acces to it as her. No putting it in your purse cause from there it would be impossible for me to get it back.
I know its kinda futile saying so cause i almost never deal with backpage, and i trust the agencies i used, and in counterpart my reputation on merb does help me (agencies knows i won't pull a fuck and and run) but im just saying with an unknown BP girl, NEVER would i let her bank up the cash before the meeting happen. Oh no !! If im dealing with Jasmine, Sam, James(not forgetting you budy) or the many Mikes, thats a different story obviously)
I absolutely understand that some providers do not wish to write details in their ad, however, in the safe environment of montreal, I think it is a better practice to have at least some specificity.
What I am trying to say is that in this community, most customers assume that GFE includes certain services - kissing and uncovered oral including DATY. There will always be individuals who will say "I think it means something different" but very few would assume that DATY would be extra if the only term they saw in an ad was GFE. If you are going to use a term with a definition that covers many services, I think it is incumbant on the provider or agency to provide greater specificity if she knows that she has restrictions or extras that might cause confusion.
If you don't want to put it in an ad, that's fine, but it should still be discussed before the session. If we are talking about anal sex or even CIM, that is different there is so much variation among providers about whether those services are offered and if so whether there is a charge - but DATY (and kissing) are so commonly included in a provideas definition of GFE that if you are different, you should be clear before the session.
As long as we are on the subject, I have never understood why any montreal provider wouldn't want to have that conversation ahead of time. Any time you have stop a session to say "I am willing to do that, but it costs extra" it is a sure mood killer. As I said before - every provider should feel free to offer whatever services at whatever price she wants, but how can anyone expect return business from a customer that you up charge in the middle of a session? If you know that you have restrictions or extra charges, just say so during booking. That way, every minute of the session is fun with a common understanding.
Some providers are indeed very frisky to talk services in mails/text. Personally if dealing with an indy its stuff i want to know beforehand, the key succes to a great session is making sure you both are on the same page and knowing if that specific SP can give you the kind of session you want. I know some will say some stuff can always be YMMV in session depending on chemistry or whatever but she can say this as well. As for the law, i don't think its illegal on the side of the SP no?
Obviously there is ways to ask such stuff. I wouldn't exprect an SP to reply me back if i said "Yo, you do gfe and cim?" but after proper introduction asking what can of service she provide or if she provide cim for instance in a polite way, i don't see why it would be badly seen.
Julia, yes my two posts conflict in terms of disclosing a restriction on a phone call.
I have to admit that even disclosing during a phone call would be off-putting for me. I guess I just believe that GFE should include DATY. if a provider wants to charge extra for that, I really would prefer that she not use the term GFE in an advertisement. I would prefer that she either state her extra charges explicitly or state that new customers should contact her for included services and extra charges. I just have a hard time not feeling misled by that situation. In the states, it is certainly more difficult because any discussion of services by the provider is evidence of a crime, but in montreal that risk isn't really there.
I have to admit that even disclosing during a phone call would be off-putting for me. I guess I just believe that GFE should include DATY. if a provider wants to charge extra for that, I really would prefer that she not use the term GFE in an advertisement. I would prefer that she either state her extra charges explicitly or state that new customers should contact her for included services and extra charges. I just have a hard time not feeling misled by that situation. In the states, it is certainly more difficult because any discussion of services by the provider is evidence of a crime, but in montreal that risk isn't really there.
I would argue this from a US perspective: GFE includes DATY with nearly every provider. Matter of fact, a very popular non-GFE agency here in North Jersey (DreamTeamPlayDate.com) requires girls to offer DATY, even though they don’t perform BBBJ or DFK. I figure if even non-GFE girls mostly offer DATY, how the hell can a GFE provider not offer? It’s any escort’s right to refuse any guy or service, but let’s not be disingenuous or downright misleading.
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