Jacques martin

[joelcairo]

Jacques Martin fired this morning

Jacques is the spitting image of Scotty Bowman in this picture: the posture, the folded arms, the facial expression - everything is absolutely perfect.

Unfortunately for Jacques he mastered the pose but didn't get Scotty's results!

 

[joelcairo]

Those of you who saw The Hot Stove on HNIC tonight (the Milbury-less Hot Stove of course!) heard Mike Babcock described as the best coach in the NHL. No surprise there but to be fair we must point out that coaching a great team like the Red Wings makes it easy to be a great coach. A team filled with character (Lidstrom, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Howard, all the way down to a mature and reformed Todd Bertuzzi).

They also correctly pointed out that the great Stevie Yzerman would have made a perfect GM for the Habs. Well, no kidding - Stevie would be a perfect GM anywhere...except for ONE place: Detroit. Why? Because Detroit ALREADY has the greatest GM in hockey, Kenny Holland. Even Stevie could not improve on that...although 28 OTHER teams would kill to have him (not 29, because TBay already has him!).

 

[TheDon]

It's not that Martin was a bad coach, it's just that he wasn't the right coach for the type of players the Canadiens have.

 

[snoodle]

The canadiens biggest problem is they don't have enough french canadian players. They should have 75% quebecois players. 15% english or american players and 10% russian or european.
The coach can be english only.
I guarantee if they kept this formula, they would win a cup in not long.

 

[Doc Holliday]

The canadiens biggest problem is they don't have enough french canadian players. They should have 75% quebecois players. 15% english or american players and 10% russian or european.
The coach can be english only.
I guarantee if they kept this formula, they would win a cup in not long.

Makes a lot of sense. :crazy:

 

[snoodle]

Lol im tellin u it would work

Its the only way to get the players to play with passion have u been to a game lately they look like a bunch of guys going to theit 9 to 5 job

 

[lgna69xxx]

And just where are you going to get all these great French Canadian players Snoodle? There are no territorial rights any longer.

Lol im tellin u it would work

Its the only way to get the players to play with passion have u been to a game lately they look like a bunch of guys going to theit 9 to 5 job

 

[lgna69xxx]

Oui et Non...... True if they open up the offense and let the fast and skilled guys up front play more like a offensive team, they will no doubt score more, BUT that also exposes the defensmen and there so-so skills, just like it did in last nights game. Price wont stand a chance if they go to this new system, but it will not bore the fans to sleep, thats for sure. Still, with the talent on the team, they are still not very good and stand a better chance at winning with JM's system vs. "opening up" the offense.

It's not that Martin was a bad coach, it's just that he wasn't the right coach for the type of players the Canadiens have.

 

[Doc Holliday]

It's not that Martin was a bad coach, it's just that he wasn't the right coach for the type of players the Canadiens have.

I consider Jacques Martin to be a near coaching genius to have been able to get results with the players he had. He almost took the habs to the cup finals last season (thanks to Carey Price). This season, he was without his best player (Markov) and the players that were paid to produce (Cammalleri, Gomez, etc) didn't produce.

It's not the coach who went & signed Markov for nearly $18 million over three seasons. It's not the coach who traded away the farm for Scott Gomez at a cap hit of nearly $7.5 million. It's not the coach who signed Mike Cammalleri at a $6 million cap hit until 2014. It's not the coach who signed Brian Gionta at $5 million per season until 2014. It's not the coach who signed Tomas Plekanec at $5 million per year until 2015. And on & on .....

 

[Techman]

Since when is getting bounced in the first round almost taking them to the cup finals, Doc? That may fly for the Leafs and Toronto where they start laying out the Stanley Cup parade route if it seems like the team has even a sniff of making the playoffs, but not in this city. Martin coaches boring hockey. He's never won a damn thing in his career and probably never will. Every team he's coached has been boring to watch. I'm glad he's gone. The next thing they should do is dump the GM and finally cut all ties with Gainey because his shadow is still all over this team.

The biggest problem this team has to overcome is the requirement that speaking French is more important than winning and as long as that continues, the Habs will not win another Stanley Cup.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Since when is getting bounced in the first round almost taking them to the cup finals, Doc? That may fly for the Leafs and Toronto where they start laying out the Stanley Cup parade route if it seems like the team has even a sniff of making the playoffs, but not in this city. Martin coaches boring hockey. He's never won a damn thing in his career and probably never will. Every team he's coached has been boring to watch. I'm glad he's gone.

My gut-feeling is that it would have been a cake-walk for the habs had they passed Boston. I could be wrong & we'll never know.

Jacques Martin did take the Ottawa Senators to a 7th game in the 2007 Stanley Cup Finals.

Yes, he did coach a defensive brand of hockey. However, considering what he had to work with, can you blame him? You think someone like Jacques Lemaire would have been any better? On top of that, the entire planet knew Jacques Martin's brand of hockey prior to his hiring by the habs. So don't blame Martin!

 

[lgna69xxx]

This man speaks the truth!

The biggest problem this team has to overcome is the requirement that speaking French is more important than winning and as long as that continues, the Habs will not win another Stanley Cup.

 

[Doc Holliday]

This man speaks the truth!

He does. However, another school-of-thought exists where they claim french-speaking coaches like Alain Vigneault, Michel Therrien, Claude Julien & Guy Carbonneau would not have had a chance to ever been a head coach had they not got their opportunity with the habs. If you include the Nordiques, you could say the same thing of Jacques Demers & Michel Bergeron.

This same school-of-thought says that the habs organization has to be a model for other organizations in allowing minorities within its coaching ranks.

 

[joelcairo]

Gauthier has signed his own death warrant by putting Cunneyworth in the position. Cunneyworth has 3 strikes against him in the eyes of many Montrealers: he has no experience as a head coach in the NHL, he WON'T win with this team, and he can't speak any French. Whatever anyone's opinion is on those 3 issues, it's clear that Gauthier has pulled off one of the most boneheaded moves in Habs history - both from a HOCKEY perspective AND a PR perspective. Let's just say that the ghost of Sam Pollock is not afraid of losing his reputation as the greatest GM in NHL history.

 

[snoodle]

And just where are you going to get all these great French Canadian players Snoodle? There are no territorial rights any longer.

start drafting them at 10 years old if you have to

 

[Doc Holliday]

start drafting them at 10 years old if you have to

Makes a lot of sense.

 

[Techman]

He does. However, another school-of-thought exists where they claim french-speaking coaches like Alain Vigneault, Michel Therrien, Claude Julien & Guy Carbonneau would not have had a chance to ever been a head coach had they not got their opportunity with the habs. If you include the Nordiques, you could say the same thing of Jacques Demers & Michel Bergeron.

This same school-of-thought says that the habs organization has to be a model for other organizations in allowing minorities within its coaching ranks.

Then they should start by hiring a unilingual Anglo coach as Anglos are a minority in Quebec.

 

[SamKlemmons]

Only a very French Canadians have played well here since Partrick Roy and none of the

The canadiens biggest problem is they don't have enough french canadian players. They should have 75% quebecois players. 15% english or american players and 10% russian or european.
The coach can be english only.
I guarantee if they kept this formula, they would win a cup in not long.

Sure more French Canadian "stars" ... like ....

Donald Audet,

Pierre Turgeon

Guillame Latendresse

Denis Savard (who we traded Chris Chelios for)

Alex Tanguay

... and like many of the the other under-performing French Canadian players who played here and did almost nothing .....

Only a very French Canadians have played well here since Partrick Roy and none of them were stars:

Steve Begin,
Eric Desjardins
and after that ... gee I am stuck ...

 

[Doc Holliday]

Then they should start by hiring a unilingual Anglo coach as Anglos are a minority in Quebec.

And they have! Thank you for finally noticing it! :thumb: